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Does God Require His OT "ritual" of water baptism, for us, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE?

  • NO

    Votes: 5 50.0%
  • Need More Scriptural Evidence to make a decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • yes

    Votes: 4 40.0%

  • Total voters
    10

marks

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Is it ok With God for "christian tradition" to be practiced Even though
JESUS Himself "Condemned religious tradition, letting go of The
Commandments Of God" (
Matthew 15:3-6; Mark 7:8-9 KJB!)?
It seems to me that Jesus only condemned their traditions when they caused the Law of God to not be kept, such as by the Gift, Corban.

One example is that the Sedar was not commanded in the Law, but was the tradition of the Jews in remembering the Exodus. The Passover was commanded, but not all the other aspects to the ceremony, the breads and cups and all.

These were religious traditions, no problem with Jesus. In fact, He even incorporated aspects of their traditions into His new covenant at that Last Supper.

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I'm not going to get involved in yet another baptism argument. It comes up again and again and never gets anywhere.

But I think you have a point about people and I think the main issue regarding division is actually that of authority.
For example who has authority to determine what interpretation of scripture is correct?
Who has authority to determine what role water baptism play in salvation (or not)? etc. etc.
This extends the conversation beyond water baptism, and I agree with you, I think authority approaches the question of division at a more foundational level.

Because if one person accepts an authority that another does not, then it's going to touch on any number of topics.

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marks

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No problem with that. I much prefer "the Mutual faith of us as members of The Body Of
CHRIST
to be the basis of our fellowship..., since "we Are members one of another"
(Rom_12:5; 1Co_12:12, 18 KJB!)
I say "expressions of faith", you say you prefer "the mutual faith of us", but determined by what? By what do you judge whether someone shares your faith?

If someone tells me they are trusting in Jesus, I accept that on it's face, and conduct myself as a members together with that someone.

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marks

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"Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth
with his neighbour: for we are members one of another." Correct?
{How is lying to them "prayerful, and truthful, and kind, patient, loving"}
Lying? Or speaking according to your conviction, your belief, even if in error?

Does ascribing evil motive where none exists help to heal division? I would think not.

Our words show our hearts. Are we being conciliatory? or divisive?

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Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

If baptism isn’t symbolic, you must literally die and come back to life when baptized.
Precious friend:
Assuming water IS for today, tradition views it as symbolic. Scripturally, it is
nothing of the sort. The Scriptures for 13 Bible baptisms were made available in
posts: # 19 and # 37. Did you prayerfully/Carefully review THEM All? Perchance
you simply "missed" THEM?
If water baptism is for salvation - then Jesus was saved when He underwent Johns baptism.
Water baptism WAS for the Remission of sins/induction Into The ISRAELI
priesthood, In God's Previous Dispensation Of The LAW! NOTE:
the following
who COULD NOT be saved to be part of a "nation of priests unto God," because
of WHY?:

"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized
with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected The Counsel of
God against themselves
, being NOT baptized of him." (Luke_7:29-30 KJB!)

ALL Of God's Plain And Clear Scriptures, Under The LAW, PERFECTLY Confirm
EACH OTHER,
Correct? i.e: Mark 1:4; 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16 KJB!

Thus, Plain and Clear Scriptures, read And believed As THEY Are WRITTEN,
have
NO need of interpretation to make them symbolic to fit in to modern traditions!

However, THEY can be understood, by Obeying God's Command in
2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!

Prophecy/law ISRAEL and TWELVE apostles who WERE SENT to water baptize!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From “Things That DIFFER!:

GRACE/MYSTERY The Body Of CHRIST and ONE
apostle to the Gentiles,
who Was NOT SENT to water baptize! WHY not?:

Today There Is:
Only
ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)

Thus, there IS
NO {physical symbolic testimony of} water In
God's ONE {Spiritual} OPERATION of BAPTISM! NONE!!


As Always: Be Blessed!
 

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Just as an FYI . . . all the fonts and symbols and everything make your posts "busy" for me, hard for my eyes, difficult to read.
Precious friend, my apologies again. Hope this and the future writings are easier.
I, like Paul, do not speak against baptizing in water, only that people have the right idea about it.
Agree, I believe the 'right idea about it' should be All Of God's Pure Doctrine
about it, and not just one verse misinterpreted/misrepresented to give a
Conclusion to This Important Matter. Seems Many say 'it Is Important, Correct?

And IF that Pure Doctrine Teaches that it is indeed Required for today. If it is
not Required today, then IF we ADD it to What God Says, would not that then
be 'blaspheming' God's Word Of Truth? Destruction?:

There's something to think about!

And in relation to dividing the church, God said, if you destroy it, He'll destroy you.
Interesting that for 2000 years those who have divided HIS church have
not yet been 'destroyed'? Will those who are complicit in division, today,
be destroyed, Or, is HE Still Freely Offering HIS GRACE to those who
are yet carnal?

Be enriched, encouraged, and edified In CHRIST!
 
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Interesting that for 2000 years those who have divided HIS church have
not yet been 'destroyed'? Will those who are complicit in division, today,
be destroyed, Or, is HE Is Still Freely Offering HIS GRACE to those who
are yet carnal?
Do you question His Word? Surely not!

Much love!