Main "Divider" of christian denominations?

[MatthewG]

Main "Divider" of christian denominations?

Traditions of Man.
No agape love for someone who might believe slightly differently.
Not teaching the word in it's full context.
Judgement and Condemnations towards others when we are all guilty of sin.

 

[MatthewG]

Those are my answers @GRACE ambassador

What are your definitions of 'dividers' of Christian denominations?

 

[Wrangler]

Anyway, sorry! Sometime I forget what thread I'm on!

I too forget what thread I'm on a lot. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[atpollard]

Precious friend, please explain thyself? If God requires NOTHING, why would He "INSTRUCT us what TO DO"? Isn't that REQUIREments?

Sure, here it is again …

“God saves men [Ephesians 2:1-10].

• And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

God instructs us what we must do … not to be saved, but because we are His workmanship and His workmanship walks in the good deeds that He has prepared for us in advanced. Good trees produce good fruit and bad trees produce bad fruit. That is not a threat, that is just the way it is.”

 

[Robert Gwin]

Precious friend(s), thanks for your participation in This Important Matter!

I believe water baptism is The Main Divider of christian denominations.
I pray {who will join me?} that we would ALL be united For God, and that
many will be blessed And Encouraged, prayerfully And Carefully reviewing
All Of God's Scriptural Evidence In HIS Important Doctrine! Amen?:

13 Bible baptisms

All loving help with Any Improvements needed in this Important "study"
will Be Greatly Appreciated! See you in God’s Great GloryLand! ♫ ↑

I think baptisms are more of a new testament thing sir, I believe the biggest issue that divides people are who is God.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Doctrinal purity is a higher priority for many Christians over loving others as Jesus commanded. It's a major turn off to those who might otherwise consider making our lord their lord. It's a shame.

IF the UNsaved need to "make the lord THEIR lord" THEN, The Pure Doctrine
of God's Eternal Salvation For Today, Under God's Amazing GRACE, MUST
Be THE Top Priority, Since there can BE NO love WITHOUT first receiving
"The LOVE Of The Spirit Shed Abroad in the heart" (Rom_5:5 KJB!),
for the one saved! Amen? Discussion of that TOPIC would be here:

God's Simple Will

Be Blessed!

 

[Mungo]

Precious friend, thanks for your input. Is it because of this? Your statement:

Prejudice is a great timesaver. It enables you to form opinions without bothering to get facts.

Please Be Blessed!

The question was:

Does God Require His OT "ritual" of water baptism, for us, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE?

It's dishonest, loaded and biased because:
a) it implies that water baptism is only an OT ritual. (i.e. those of John the Baptist and the book of Leviticus) and excludes NT (water) baptism.
b) saying "ritual (in quotes) implies rituals are meaningless and have no purpose.
c) asking if something is required ignores other possibilities, for example something being mandated under most (but not all) circumstances.

If one believes that (as the Bible says) baptism (in water) saves us then the answer to the question must be no because OT baptism does not save us. But that would be taken as no baptism (with water) of any kind has a place in our salvation.

I assume that the dishonesty of the question was not deliberate but the result of ignorance.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Marks, precious friend, now that we are closer to being back on topic, about the
"doctrinal purity" of water baptism, I believe you and 2 others are the only ones
who voted "No" water today, right? Because of your Excellent Scriptural posting:

This is what the Apostle to the Gentiles had to say:

Ephesians 4:5 KJV
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Romans 6:3-4 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Agree, this ONE Baptism Is this:

"For By ONE Spirit are we all baptized Into ONE Body, whether we be Jews
or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into
ONE Spirit." (1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!), Spiritual, not physical, Correct?

So, since we are not "at war" with each other, And, the Same
"apostle to the Gentiles" Also Has Scripture for this Concern:

I think what divides Christians is a greater concern for doctrinal purity than for each other. And from there, I think we all draw a line somewhere. We have to. And when brothers are at war, I think that line is in the wrong place.

Correct, LOVE thy neighbor should be Very Important {without IT we are but
"...a tinkling cymbal..." (1 Corinthians 13:6 KJB!) Correct?}, but, as ecumenism
Desires: at the expense of God’s Sound Doctrine! { Top Priority Doctrine discussed
in #34 }? Apparently Many "trying to reach the world in love" just agree to Disagree"
and move on {each sect/denomination with their own "version of truth"?}, but:

What Did God Give our apostle about doctrine?:

2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in
faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may
be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Tit 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Tit 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they
may adorn The Doctrine Of God our Saviour in all things.

Seems Very Important to me, And:

On top of that, All who are, By our Faithful God, "Called unto fellowship with
JESUS CHRIST" (1 Corinthians 1:9 KJB!), Are Commanded, are they not?:

1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by The Name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that ye All speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but
that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
+
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
{Seven-fold unity In God's Spiritual Context [vs 4-6], Correct?}
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Conclusion:
IF both "doctrinal purity" AND love are Commanded then how does one
"draw a line"?

IF ecumenism {love, but Disagree on Doctrine} is God's Standard, Then,
how do we interpret The Above Scriptures, and, furthermore, how is that:

"speaking The Truth In love," Since, Especially in the case of water Confusion,
there are at LEAST TEN Different traditions? {can "list them," IF you wish...}

Be Blessed!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Who would stop anyone from being water baptised, Satanist for a start.

I have seen such in the workings, people fearing to baptise a child, but boasting of having a Naming ceremony, that's the work of Satan. it's a dig at Christ in fact and not to mention at John the baptise as well.
Boy what harm can water baptism do, to make people fear such with such conviction.

I even have a Satanist up the road claiming you get saved before hand and then if you do happen to want to get water baptised you can do so, but not before ! Well well well that's not the way that it goes at all, one has to be water baptised first in fact, because it's all in the hope they one will be truly Saved Born again.
No Man can dub one born again in fact, but for Jesus Christ himself through the Holy Spirit.
Old mate up the road claims one can dub one such and he can as well by just repeating words he says to you, that is not born again at all !! because such is a Mans works and only a carnal would peddle such nonsense. they may be religious but so is Satan.

 

[Mungo]

Marks, precious friend, now that we are closer to being back on topic, about the
"doctrinal purity" of water baptism, I believe you and 2 others are the only ones
who voted "No" water today, right? Because of your Excellent Scriptural posting:

The question wasn't about 'water today' or even 'water baptism'.
The question was about the OT "ritual" of water baptism.
Not the same thing.
That is why I said the question was dishonest,loaded and biased.

 

[Waiting on him]

Great point. I would just add that it is not doctrinal differences that cause war. Thomas Jefferson famously said that if his neighbor believes in 10 gods or no gods, it neither picks his pocket or breaks his bones.

Doctrinal purity is a higher priority for many Christians over loving others as Jesus commanded. It's a major turn off to those who might otherwise consider making our lord their lord. It's a shame.

I try not to get into religion but relationships.

He enslaved over 600 men and women over the course of his life.

 

[Wrangler]

He enslaved over 600 men and women over the course of his life.

And this Ad Hominem has no affect on the validity of his words.

 

[Triumph1300]

And this Ad Hominem has no affect on the validity of his words.

What is in the heart comes out of the mouth.
And enslaving over 600 people also comes out of the heart.

 

[Waiting on him]

What is in the heart comes out of the mouth.
And enslaving over 600 people also comes out of the heart.

Certainly he was baptized though, so it’s ok.

 

[Wrangler]

What is in the heart comes out of the mouth.
And enslaving over 600 people also comes out of the heart.

Wholly supported in the Bible by Christians for millennia AND totally irrelevant to the validity of his words.

 

[Wrangler]

Certainly he was baptized though, so it’s ok.

I'm glad we have an understanding about the genius and righteousness of the man of the millennia, Thomas Jefferson.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I think baptisms are more of a new testament thing sir, I believe the biggest issue that divides people are who is God.

The question wasn't about 'water today' or even 'water baptism'.
The question was about the OT "ritual" of water baptism.
Not the same thing.

Precious friends, your concerns are duly noted. Does not All Scriptural Evidence
Shows THIS "washing {baptism} was indeed, carried over into CHRIST's
Ministry, on the earth," and, after HIS Ascension, practiced at Pentecost?

Sections borrowed from FULL "study" of: 13 Bible baptisms:

(Israel's various washings! Greek: baptismos = Hebrews_9:10!):

...O.T.:
4. Levitical priesthood baptism (Exodus_29:4;
Leviticus_8:6; Numbers_8:7!). This washing was The Second
Requirement {The First being: "NO blemish!" (Leviticus_21:21!)},
in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses!

Is this baptism in any way connected To baptism # 9?...

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...
9. "water baptism of repentance FOR remission of sin," that John
preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!),
to preach! (Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31;
Luke_7:29-30; Acts_10:37; Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16;
Acts_2:38; Acts_22:16; Ezekiel_36:25!).

a) Does this baptism “save” anyone (Luke_7:29-30!)?
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b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For
them “to be a nation of priests unto God" (Exodus_19:6!)?

b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction,
Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4! }.

b4) Did not CHRIST And The Twelve heal everyone in Israel who came to
them, in order to meet “The FIRST Requirement” For the priesthood, that
Of NO blemish!? (Matthew_4:24; Acts_5:16 cp Leviticus_21:21!).
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c) Is this baptism for today? IF "you believe this baptism is FOR US"
Today, then, we have Several More Questions:

c1) Why does NO ONE Today, teach, as John ( Under The LAW! ),
Proclaimed: it is FOR “making CHRIST Manifest To Israel” (John_1:31!)?

c2) Why does {Almost} NO ONE Today, “Confess their sins,”
when they come to This baptism (Matthew_3:6; Mark_1:5!)?

c3) Why do not ALL Divided “denominations who WATER baptize”
today, agree AS ONE, And teach water as John, CHRIST, And The
Twelve ( Under The LAW! ), “taught That water baptism Is FOR
The Remission Of sins!” (Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; Acts_2:38!).

{ instead of each one’s own “symbolic Re-Interpreted Traditions!” }?...
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Not apologizing for all the questions = I {and probably a FEW others!},
want The Truth, The WHOLE Truth, And NOTHING BUT "The Truth!"
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...Baptism Of Anointing?:

10. Pentecostal Spirit baptism
This is the baptism "WITH" The Holy Spirit, BY JESUS CHRIST,
From Heaven, Poured Out Upon the believing remnant of Israel,
with signs and powers following!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38; Acts_8:15-17; Acts_11:16!).

And, is not THIS The THIRD Requirement For "priesthood induction" =
Anointing? (compare Exodus_29:7; Leviticus_8:10-12!).

a) Is God Performing "This" Baptism On us TODAY?

b) IF YOU believe you "are in the priesthood," are you Absolutely
SURE that YOU have MET ALL THREE of God's Requirements?

c) IF one STILL Disagrees with "water is NOT for us, Today, Under GRACE,"
then could they please Explain WHY, According To The Scriptures, That
Paul HAS Only ONE BAPTISM (Eph 4:5 KJB!) {#13 In: 13 Bible baptisms},
instead of TWO baptismS, for us, Today, Under God's PURE GRACE!?

Be Blessed!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I normally don't vote in polls. I don't recall voting in this one. Are you sure?

Much love!

Marks, my Very Precious friend, I was probably Mistaken! Please forgive me; I think
it was the "other" forum poll where I could "SEE the names of the participants"
who voted. So I just made an educated guess According to the Excellent
"ON-Topic" Scriptures that YOU posted in #9.

I am still "thinking" about your other "doctrinal" posting...coming out shortly...

Be Blessed!

btw, I "reported" a bunch of OFF TOPIC posters "about Thomas Jefferson," disrupting our Excellent Discussions we were having here about the TOPIC of Divisive WATER...
{one of them yours? Musta "slipped your mind" again, where you were?} How old are you anyway...Next year I will be the Ripe OLD age of 70 {close To Glory!?}

 

[Heart2Soul]

15 reports of posts being off topic....apparently there isn't anything left to discuss in relation to the OP.
Leaving this thread locked for a couple of hours while taking the time to investigate all these reports! Ugh!

 

[Heart2Soul]

@Mark's, @Wrangler, @amigo de christo, @atpollard, @Triumph1300, @MatthewG .....and anyone else wanting to discuss Thomas Jefferson....will you kindly start a separate thread for this topic and stop derailing this one?
Thank you so much for your comments but we must follow the rules and stay on topic.
Appreciate your understanding and cooperation...
Have a blessed day.