Baptized Into Christ, Rightly Divided Summary...

[GRACE ambassador]

...Precious New 'members' who have not reviewed/discussed this yet,
Please prayerfully and Carefully Consider:

In God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, HE Teaches ( among others ), these:

Three Bible Baptisms:​

In God's Context Of Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL, Yesterday!:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12 ) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25; Isaiah 52:15)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

In God's Other Distinctive Context Of Mystery/GRACE! (Romans - Philemon) =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST, Today!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today:

Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB)

Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE

Or, Equals two? = water problem with God's Math! Correct?
----------------------------------
This have also been Very Helpful:

Water That Divides!!
-------------------------
My own personal study for solving Confusion, by prayerful/Careful
consideration of This Eternally Important Matter, ok?:

ONE Baptism



God's Simple Will

Amen.

 

[ScottA]

...Precious New 'members' who have not reviewed/discussed this yet,
Please prayerfully and Carefully Consider:

In God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, HE Teaches ( among others ), these:

Three Bible Baptisms:​

In God's Context Of Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL, Yesterday!:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12 ) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25; Isaiah 52:15)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

In God's Other Distinctive Context Of Mystery/GRACE! (Romans - Philemon) =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST, Today!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today:

Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB)

Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE

Or, Equals two? = water problem with God's Math! Correct?
----------------------------------
This have also been Very Helpful:

Water That Divides!!
-------------------------
My own personal study for solving Confusion, by prayerful/Careful
consideration of This Eternally Important Matter, ok?:

ONE Baptism

View attachment 34691

God's Simple Will

Amen.

It's simpler than that really.

Water baptism is like water birth (that is being born of women and of the flesh).

Then John the Baptist said that Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit. Jesus then explained that spiritual baptism required being born again of the spirit of God, which was and is His baptism and gift of God for believing.

So being born of water brings us into the world which results in death. But being born [again] of the spirit of God brings us to God in heaven which results in eternal life.

This is why we need Jesus. He is the way through death unto life everlasting.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

...Precious New 'members' who have not reviewed/discussed this yet,
Please prayerfully and Carefully Consider:

In God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, HE Teaches ( among others ), these:

Three Bible Baptisms:​

In God's Context Of Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL, Yesterday!:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12 ) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25; Isaiah 52:15)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

In God's Other Distinctive Context Of Mystery/GRACE! (Romans - Philemon) =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST, Today!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today:

Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB)

Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE

Or, Equals two? = water problem with God's Math! Correct?
----------------------------------
This have also been Very Helpful:

Water That Divides!!
-------------------------
My own personal study for solving Confusion, by prayerful/Careful
consideration of This Eternally Important Matter, ok?:

ONE Baptism

View attachment 34691

God's Simple Will

Amen.

The Baptism by which we are engrafted into teh body of Christ is the Spirit Baptism that occurs at the moment of salvation.

Water Baptism is a public declaration of that fact that we do after we become a believer in obedience,

 

[GRACE ambassador]

It's simpler than that really.

Thanks, I tend to gravitate less towards Confusion, and More Towards "Simplicity In Christ!"

Amen.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

The Baptism by which we are engrafted into teh body of Christ is the Spirit Baptism that occurs at the moment of salvation.

Have to agree - God's One Baptism, Under Grace, Today, For The Body Of Christ:

"...There is One LORD, One faith, and ONE Baptism..." (Ephesians 4:5)​

​

"For By One Spirit are we all Baptized Into One Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles,​

whether we be bond or free; and have all been made to drink into One Spirit"​

(1 Corinthians 12:13; cp Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3-4)​

Water Baptism is a public declaration of that fact that we do after we become a believer in obedience,

With all due respect, have to Disagree, because:

1) we cannot see the 'public declaration' ( to the world? or only the local assembly? )
symbolic 'picture' that denominations teach (and I 'formerly believed'), trying to
'read it into' Romans 6:3-4:

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were Baptized Into Jesus Christ were Baptized Into His​

Death? Therefore we are Buried With Him By Baptism Into Death: that like as Christ was Raised​

up from the dead By The Glory of The Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."​

a) we cannot find any 'water' in the ( Spiritual ) context of this passage​

​

b) it is inconsistent to declare symbolism only for the 'burial/resurrection' = where is the​

symbolism for the 'crucifixion/death'? When continuing in the Scriptures that follow?:​

"For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall​

be also in the likeness of His resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is​

crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth​

we should not serve sin." (Romans 6:5-6)​

I understand there are some Latin American churches that symbolize this by rituals of​

"carrying crosses around and mutilating themselves." How is this Confusing symbolism ​

"Approved Unto God"?​

c) Then, on top of that, there are Many other denominations that, Confused, Disagree with​

( baptize once in the 'name of Jesus' or thrice in the 'name of the trinity' ) immersionists who​

declare they can baptize by pouring, and, others, even by sprinkling (including infants).​

​

d) (denominations = I am of baptist, methodist, presbyterian, etc. )?​

Why is not this contentious Division the same thing that Paul addressed in​

1 Corinthians 1:10-17?​

"...I am Paul, I am of Apollos, I am of Cephas, I am of Christ..."???​

With all this Confusion, why are those, who hold the No-water view, viewed as enemies/heretics​

when we declare The Biblical Answer to all this Confusion?:​

2) God's ONE Baptism for the Body Of Christ, Today, Under Grace, meaning: How can there possibly
be TWO * baptisms, ↑ when God Says there is only ONE ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑? Isn't that called bad math?
Again, Does God "Approve" of that?

3) How can water baptism be a public declaration ( to the world? with videos all over the internet? ),
when the Bible Clearly States This, for 'believers in obedience'?:

we FULFIL All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor​

as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10) - declaration "to the world"?​

Absolutely No water found there Either, Correct?
---------------------------
Thanks for listening, Ronald - always Great to hear your Valuable Input.

Chris Endrizzi
------------------
* Of all people, a church of christ (very discouraging teacher, by mail, years ago), asked me this:

"Why do you baptists believe in TWO baptisms when God says there is only ONE?" (Of course, he
meant water), but God Was Very Encouraging, gently leading me to His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided!

Amen.

 

[David in NJ]

...Precious New 'members' who have not reviewed/discussed this yet,
Please prayerfully and Carefully Consider:

In God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, HE Teaches ( among others ), these:

Three Bible Baptisms:​

In God's Context Of Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL, Yesterday!:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12 ) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25; Isaiah 52:15)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

In God's Other Distinctive Context Of Mystery/GRACE! (Romans - Philemon) =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST, Today!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today:

Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB)

Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE

Or, Equals two? = water problem with God's Math! Correct?
----------------------------------
This have also been Very Helpful:

Water That Divides!!
-------------------------
My own personal study for solving Confusion, by prayerful/Careful
consideration of This Eternally Important Matter, ok?:

ONE Baptism

View attachment 34691

God's Simple Will

Amen.

the "one baptism by water is only in the Name of Christ"

The "One True Baptism" is the Baptism of Holy Spirit = "John baptized with water but wait for the Promise of the Father......John ch4/Acts

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Have to agree - God's One Baptism, Under Grace, Today, For The Body Of Christ:

"...There is One LORD, One faith, and ONE Baptism..." (Ephesians 4:5)​

​

"For By One Spirit are we all Baptized Into One Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles,​

whether we be bond or free; and have all been made to drink into One Spirit"​

(1 Corinthians 12:13; cp Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3-4)​

With all due respect, have to Disagree, because:

1) we cannot see the 'public declaration' ( to the world? or only the local assembly? )
symbolic 'picture' that denominations teach (and I 'formerly believed'), trying to
'read it into' Romans 6:3-4:

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were Baptized Into Jesus Christ were Baptized Into His​

Death? Therefore we are Buried With Him By Baptism Into Death: that like as Christ was Raised​

up from the dead By The Glory of The Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."​

a) we cannot find any 'water' in the ( Spiritual ) context of this passage​

​

b) it is inconsistent to declare symbolism only for the 'burial/resurrection' = where is the​

symbolism for the 'crucifixion/death'? When continuing in the Scriptures that follow?:​

"For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall​

be also in the likeness of His resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is​

crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth​

we should not serve sin." (Romans 6:5-6)​

I understand there are some Latin American churches that symbolize this by rituals of​

"carrying crosses around and mutilating themselves." How is this Confusing symbolism ​

"Approved Unto God"?​

c) Then, on top of that, there are Many other denominations that, Confused, Disagree with​

( baptize once in the 'name of Jesus' or thrice in the 'name of the trinity' ) immersionists who​

declare they can baptize by pouring, and, others, even by sprinkling (including infants).​

​

d) (denominations = I am of baptist, methodist, presbyterian, etc. )?​

Why is not this contentious Division the same thing that Paul addressed in​

1 Corinthians 1:10-17?​

"...I am Paul, I am of Apollos, I am of Cephas, I am of Christ..."???​

With all this Confusion, why are those, who hold the No-water view, viewed as enemies/heretics​

when we declare The Biblical Answer to all this Confusion?:​

2) God's ONE Baptism for the Body Of Christ, Today, Under Grace, meaning: How can there possibly
be TWO * baptisms, ↑ when God Says there is only ONE ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑? Isn't that called bad math?
Again, Does God "Approve" of that?

3) How can water baptism be a public declaration ( to the world? with videos all over the internet? ),
when the Bible Clearly States This, for 'believers in obedience'?:

we FULFIL All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor​

as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10) - declaration "to the world"?​

Absolutely No water found there Either, Correct?
---------------------------
Thanks for listening, Ronald - always Great to hear your Valuable Input.

Chris Endrizzi
------------------
* Of all people, a church of christ (very discouraging teacher, by mail, years ago), asked me this:

"Why do you baptists believe in TWO baptisms when God says there is only ONE?" (Of course, he
meant water), but God Was Very Encouraging, gently leading me to His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided!

Amen.

Just wish to address one issue. YOu wrote the spiritual context. Well that is an application, but not the interpretation. All the apostles baptized believers with water. Paul also and so didn't Phillip with the Ethiopian Eunuch.

Jesus commanded the Apostles to make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So in a spiritual context, we know Scripture speaks of the Baptism by and in the Spirit, but then what would be the spiritual context of being baptized in the Father and the Son?

If we follow Scripture as written, water baptism is a command to be followed for obedience and identification. It is for one who has already been baptized by the Spirit. And being baptized in a church is a public declaration!

 

[Godslittleservant]

One baptism so what is the one baptism
Jesus commanded the Apostles to baptize why
Acts 2:38 shows them doing this on the opening day of the church and tells the reason why to be baptized in Christ name it is for the remission of sin and the receiving of the indwelling spirit it is a water baptism which can be proven by scripture and where we meet Christ at the cross for his redemption which can be shown by scripture.

Acts 10.47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? talking about the baptism of Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Here defines what happens when we submit to Christ baptism as in Acts 2:38 we are buried with him in his death we are being transformed by God from dead in sin to alive in Christ it is as Paul declares in Romans 6:3-6 (a spiritual work of God thus a Spiritual baptism)
Romans 6:3-6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Let the bible answer the question of
Why did Jesus command one to be baptized in his name?
What the reason for baptism in Christ Name is?
Why is it a spiritual baptism?
Why it is part of the Gospel of Christ?

The word of God answers all of these question if we let it speak and we search out the truth of what it says about baptism.

 

[David in NJ]

One baptism so what is the one baptism
Jesus commanded the Apostles to baptize why
Acts 2:38 shows them doing this on the opening day of the church and tells the reason why to be baptized in Christ name it is for the remission of sin and the receiving of the indwelling spirit it is a water baptism which can be proven by scripture and where we meet Christ at the cross for his redemption which can be shown by scripture.

Acts 10.47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? talking about the baptism of Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Here defines what happens when we submit to Christ baptism as in Acts 2:38 we are buried with him in his death we are being transformed by God from dead in sin to alive in Christ it is as Paul declares in Romans 6:3-6 (a spiritual work of God thus a Spiritual baptism)
Romans 6:3-6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Let the bible answer the question of
Why did Jesus command one to be baptized in his name?
What the reason for baptism in Christ Name is?
Why is it a spiritual baptism?
Why it is part of the Gospel of Christ?

The word of God answers all of these question if we let it speak and we search out the truth of what it says about baptism.

Here is the ONE Baptism = Our Heavenly Fathers' 2nd Promise to those who are His.

ONE Baptism = Acts chapter ONE

And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem,
but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water,
but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

 

[GRACE ambassador]

The word of God answers all of these question if we let it speak and we search out the truth of what it says about baptism.

Thanks, appreciate your valuable input. Do you mean "search out the Truth" by God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided? ie:

God Has Three Different Baptisms under consideration:​

In God's Previous Context Of Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL, Yesterday!:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12 ) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25; Isaiah 52:15)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

In God's Other Distinctive Context Of Mystery/GRACE! (Romans - Philemon) =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST, Today!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today, Paul's "But Now":

Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB)

------------------------------------------------------

Conclusion: I believe "God's ONE Baptism 'By The ONE Holy Spirit' For The ONE Body of Christ,
Today, Under Grace/Mystery" Replaces Both:

"water baptism And The Baptism With The Holy Spirit, which were/will be under
God's Other program of prophecy / Covenants / Law for Israel!"

Amen.

This have also been Very Helpful:

Water That Divides!!

 

[Godslittleservant]

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Paul answered this for you read and pay attention to what he says

Context makes all the difference

Paul said he did not do many of the baptizing because he did not want them to say they are of Paul but he did preach baptism and did baptize a few

1 Corinthians 1: 10-17
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.


1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Paul preached the cross which to him was preaching the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ as he made clear in Romans 6:3-6

Romans 6:3-6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

The gospel is the death burial and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus
Christ and his grace is our joining him at the cross in baptism in his name just as Paul taught.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

The gospel is the death burial and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus
Christ and his grace is our joining him at the cross in baptism in his name just as Paul taught.

Actually, The Scripture Teaches, Under Grace/Mystery, That It Is The Holy Spirit ( God's OPERATION! )
That "Joins the believer" To Him At The Cross By ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism. Notice Romans 6:6:

"Knowing this, that our old man is Crucified With Him..."​

​

Thus, water is not the 'Operator' Of This ↑, but The Holy Spirit Definitely Is!

Thus, we don't 'join' Him, God Does It The Other Way Around, when we 'simply' believe Him!

Amen.

 

[gpresdo]

It's simpler than that really.

Water baptism is like water birth (that is being born of women and of the flesh).

Then John the Baptist said that Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit. Jesus then explained that spiritual baptism required being born again of the spirit of God, which was and is His baptism and gift of God for believing.

So being born of water brings us into the world which results in death. But being born [again] of the spirit of God brings us to God in heaven which results in eternal life.

This is why we need Jesus. He is the way through death unto life everlasting.

THRE IS NO WAY ...water baptism can be associated with loss of soul death.
Where did you get that from...scripture please?

 

[David in NJ]

Actually, The Scripture Teaches, Under Grace/Mystery, That It Is The Holy Spirit ( God's OPERATION! )
That "Joins the believer" To Him At The Cross By ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism. Notice Romans 6:6:

"Knowing this, that our old man is Crucified With Him..."​

​

Thus, water is not the 'Operator' Of This ↑, but The Holy Spirit Definitely Is!

Thus, we don't 'join' Him, God Does It The Other Way Around, when we 'simply' believe Him!

Amen.

Water baptism symbolically joins us to JESUS Death and His Resurrection.

Holy Spirit Baptism joins us to Christ at the Right Hand of the Father.

 

[ScottA]

THRE IS NO WAY ...water baptism can be associated with loss of soul death.
Where did you get that from...scripture please?

You quoted my explanation from the scriptures.

Scripturally, being born of water is first, which means born of women, all of whom are condemned to death for the sin of Adam and Eve that got all mankind driven out of the presence of God. Have you not read these things?

 

[gpresdo]

You quoted my explanation from the scriptures.

Scripturally, being born of water is first, which means born of women, all of whom are condemned to death for the sin of Adam and Eve that got all mankind driven out of the presence of God. Have you not read these things?

Have you not read the Bible? It clearly requires baptism as part of the repentance process. If u haven't let me know and I will list them for you?

 

[ScottA]

Have you not read the Bible? It clearly requires baptism as part of the repentance process. If u haven't let me know and I will list them for you?

Your assertion would make Jesus a liar.

Have you not read the account of the two thieves who were crucified with Jesus, where He said to the one not mentioning baptism, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise?”

In other words, no baptism is not "required as part of the repentance process", but is commanded of those who would serve for the salvation of others would come afterward, as an example of spiritual baptism for teaching-- which is for the making of disciples, not a requirement for repentance or salvation. Just as John "prepared the way of the Lord" by baptizing with water before Jesus came baptizing with the Holy Spirit, we are commanded to do likewise, and for the same reason.

 

[gpresdo]

Your assertion would make Jesus a liar.

Have you not read the account of the two thieves who were crucified with Jesus, where He said to the one not mentioning baptism, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise?”

In other words, no baptism is not "required as part of the repentance process", but is commanded of those who would serve for the salvation of others would come afterward, as an example of spiritual baptism for teaching-- which is for the making of disciples, not a requirement for repentance or salvation. Just as John "prepared the way of the Lord" by baptizing with water before Jesus came baptizing with the Holy Spirit, we are commanded to do likewise, and for the same reason.

Correction.....YOU..... make Jesus a liar by not understanding facts of scriptures.

No where in scripture do you find that the thief was NOT baptized. That is a unfounded position you present without biblical evidence.
He may have fallen away and had been baptized many moons ago. In any event Christ had the power to grant complete absolution to Him of any element should He have chosen.

Baptism is Required

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 10;47-48...
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

 

[David in NJ]

Correction.....YOU..... make Jesus a liar by not understanding facts of scriptures.

No where in scripture do you find that the thief was NOT baptized. That is a unfounded position you present without biblical evidence.
He may have fallen away and had been baptized many moons ago. In any event Christ had the power to grant complete absolution to Him of any element should He have chosen.

Baptism is Required

No where in scripture do we find the thief was baptized.

Water baptism is not a requirement to receive the Gift of Salvation = "not of works lest any man should boast"

Water baptism is a outward symbolic act, done in faith according to the Word.

ALL that was Required for the thief to be SAVED was Right next to him.

 

[Godslittleservant]

No where in scripture do we find the thief was baptized.

Water baptism is not a requirement to receive the Gift of Salvation = "not of works lest any man should boast"

Water baptism is a outward symbolic act, done in faith according to the Word.

ALL that was Required for the thief to be SAVED was Right next to him.

With all due respect my friend you really need to go through and study what Baptism in the Name of Christ is what the true biblical teaching is on baptism in Christ name is.

Do you agree that Peter preached the true completed Gospel of Christ for the first time in Acts 2 where he opened the doors to the church for the very first time. There he preached the gospel and in that chapter it tells how souls were added to the church there you see the gospel preached and submitted to and God adding to the church. Go read Acts chapter 2 for in that one chapter it gives the gospel and how to respond and how God adds to the church it is all there in that one chapter then go and read Romans 6 and see why Paul says that the baptism in Christ name as Peter preached is important and its relation to salvation. Let the bible teach you not the preacher gor the preacher could be in error but Gods word is truth and life.