Mary as New Eve

[GracePeace]

By the reckless and immature tone of your posts - my guess is that you're quite young. Do yourself a favor and STUDY the Scriptures before making such ignorant claims.
Give yourself some time to grow in the Word - and wisdom will follow . . ..

You don't know the Scriptures, as I have proven, so you have no place to instruct anyone to "study" where this issue is concerned--and your Church's infallibility is already disproven, so I'm not moved by your pontifications.

Again :

"...as... Eve... [so] you..." : If there were no other evidence, you might have been able to deceive me on this; the wealth of evidence for my position protects me from the blindness you want to awaken me to.

Eve, Adams' bride, was made of Adam's own body Genesis 2:23.
Christ is the New Adam Romans 5:14, 1 Corinthians 15:45.
The Church, Christ's bride, is Christ's own body Ephesians 5:23.
The Church is the New Eve of the New Adam--Mary is not.

Paul taught the Church corresponds to Eve 2 Corinthians 11:3.

Who are Christ's "offspring" Isaiah 53:10--could they be the ones which Gospel workers "give birth" to Galatians 4:19?

The Roman Catholic Church is proven fallible.
Get over it. Most of the world already has.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Eve, Adams' bride, was made of Adam's own body Genesis 2:23.
Christ is the New Adam Romans 5:14, 1 Corinthians 15:45.
The Church, Christ's bride, is Christ's own body Ephesians 5:23.
The Church is the New Eve of the New Adam--Mary is not.

Paul taught the Church corresponds to Eve 2 Corinthians 11:3.

Who are Christ's "offspring" Isaiah 53:10--could they be the ones which Gospel workers "give birth" to Galatians 4:19?

The Roman Catholic Church is proven fallible.
Get over it. Most of the world already has.

WRONG - you have it backwards.
The Church isn't made of His Body - His Body is made up from the Church.

That's what Paul was saying in Col. 1:18:
"And he is the HEAD of the BODY, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent."

As for 2 Cor. 11:3 - I already PROVED to you that this was simply talking about temptation - NOT type and fulfillment.

In Gal. 4:19, Paul is simply using symbolic language. He can't ACTUALLY give birth.

Christ IS the New Adam - but the Church isn't the New Eve.
Mary is - as I have amply shown.

 

[GracePeace]

WRONG - you have it backwards.
The Church isn't made of His Body - His Body is made up from the Church.

That's what Paul was saying in Col. 1:18:
"And he is the HEAD of the BODY, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent."

As for 2 Cor. 11:3 - I already PROVED to you that this was simply talking about temptation - NOT type and fulfillment.

In Gal. 4:19, Paul is simply using symbolic language. He can't ACTUALLY give birth.

Christ IS the New Adam - but the Church isn't the New Eve.
Mary is - as I have amply shown.

Pardon me, but this is a "distinction without a difference".

Is the Church or is the Church not Christ's bride?

Galatians 4:19 Paul is speaking spiritually not merely symbolically.

Yes, Christ is New Adam--and Christ's bride is the New Eve.

 

[BreadOfLife]

"...just as Eve... so you..."

If there were no other supporting evidence, you might be able to deceive someone else, but with the wealth of evidence richly supplied to us both I cannot be moved from my position.

Again :
Eve, Adams' bride, was made of Adam's own body Genesis 2:23.
Christ is the New Adam Romans 5:14, 1 Corinthians 15:45.
The Church, Christ's bride, is Christ's own body Ephesians 5:23.
Conclusion : the Church is the New Eve of the New Adam--Mary is not.

Paul, not coincidentally, taught the Church corresponds to Eve 2 Corinthians 11:3.

Who are Christ's "offspring" Isaiah 53:10--they're the ones Gospel workers "give birth" to Galatians 4:19 right?

The Roman Catholic Church is proven fallible.
Get over it. Most of the world already has.

CONTEXT, son.
You know nothing about Biblical CONTEXT.

As I stated earlier - your reckless and immature posts have done nothing but serve to expose your Scriptural ignorance.
It's like a bratty kid in the schoolyard - daring me to know the chip off his shoulder.

 

[GracePeace]

CONTEXT, son.
You know nothing about Biblical CONTEXT.

As I stated earlier - your reckless and immature posts have done nothing but serve to expose your Scriptural ignorance.
It's like a bratty kid in the schoolyard - daring me to know the chip off his shoulder.

Actually, by God's grace, Roman Catholicism's claim to infallibility is debunked in this thread--if I'm "bratty" "ignorant", etc, then what does that say for your system that it was brought down by such a "nothing" 1 Corinthians 1:26-29 like me?

1 Corinthians 1
26For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards,c not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29so that no human beingd might boast in the presence of God

 

[BreadOfLife]

Pardon me, but this is a "distinction without a difference".

Is the Church or is the Church not Christ's bride?

Galatians 4:19 Paul is speaking spiritually not merely symbolically.

Yes, Christ is New Adam--and Christ's bride is the New Eve.

It's symbolic.
Paul does NOT have a uterus and cannot give birth:
Gal 4:19
my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of CHILDBIRTH until Christ is formed in you!

You are humiliating yourself . . .

 

[GracePeace]

The Bible is not the "Wild West" where everybody gets to make up their own "truth".
It is very ordered and precise - just as GOD is . . .

Ohh... when it's convenient for you, "the Bible is very ordered and precise"... but when it's inconvenient, "no, it's never exact!"

What a sad man--a dying system.

 

[GracePeace]

It's symbolic.
Paul does NOT have a uterus and cannot give birth:
Gal 4:19
my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of CHILDBIRTH until Christ is formed in you!

You are humiliating yourself . . .

Who are Christ's "offspring" Isaiah 53:10?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Actually, by God's grace, Roman Catholicism's claim to infallibility is debunked in this thread--if I'm "bratty" "ignorant", etc, then what does that say for your system that it was brought down by such a "nothing" like me?

You couldn't "bring down" Christ's Church even if you had ALL of the angels of Hell on your side (Matt. 16:18).

You ARE correct about your LAST point, though . . .

 

[GracePeace]

This is a PERFECT example of your Scriptural confusion - and the reason why I said that the Bible is NOT the "Wild West".

How am I "confused" when you're actually nitpicking at my precision?

...YOU expect all NT Fulfillments to be an exact replica of their OT Type.
...
NONE of these are "exact" comparisons...

May I submit that you are the "confused" one?

 

[GracePeace]

You couldn't "bring down" Christ's Church even if you had ALL of the angels of Hell on your side (Matt. 16:18).

You ARE correct about your LAST point, though . . .

Well, I'd never dream of taking Christ's Church down, just the demonstrably false "Catholic" one. LOL!

 

[GracePeace]

You couldn't "bring down" Christ's Church even if you had ALL of the angels of Hell on your side (Matt. 16:18).

You ARE correct about your LAST point, though . . .

Who are Christ's "offspring" Isaiah 53:10?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ohh... when it's convenient for you, "the Bible is very ordered and precise"... but when it's inconvenient, "no, it's never exact!"

It IS ordered AND precise.
That doesn't mean that ALL OT Types and Fulfillments are "identical".

How old are you, anyway?

 

[GracePeace]

It IS ordered AND precise.
That doesn't mean that ALL OT Types and Fulfillments are "identical".

How old are you, anyway?

Oh... so, again, you get to decide when to apply the "precision" plumbline, and when to apply the "imprecision" plumbline.

I get it!

Yeah... that's not how this is going to work.

For anyone who is honest the Roman Catholic system is laid waste here and now.

You have some holy people, some people who know God and seek righteousness--many different sects do--but you're not what you claim you are. Period. That is clear.

 

[GracePeace]

@BreadOfLife
Again,

Is the Church Christ's bride or not?

 

[GracePeace]

It IS ordered AND precise.
That doesn't mean that ALL OT Types and Fulfillments are "identical".

How old are you, anyway?

Who are Christ's "offspring"?

Isaiah 53:10
10Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him;
he has put him to grief;g
when his soul makesh an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

 

[TrueIsraelite]

IM not the most qualified here. but id like to say that I believe Jesus was God in flesh. Mary was magically pregnant, and Jesus could not sin.

 

[GracePeace]

IM not the most qualified here. but id like to say that I believe Jesus was God in flesh. Mary was magically pregnant, and Jesus could not sin.

Just for clarity : this thread concerns how the Scriptures have apparently debunked the Roman Catholics' doctrine of Mary as "New Eve", the result of which appears to be the accidental, but substantive, falsification of their purported authority in interpreting Scripture and teaching doctrine based on an ostensible (apparently disproven) spiritual gift of infallibility.

 

[BreadOfLife]

For anyone who is honest the Roman Catholic system is laid waste here and now.

You have some holy people, some people who know God and seek righteousness--many different sects do--but you're not what you claim you are. Period. That is clear.

What's the "Roman Catholic system"??
Please elaborate.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Who are Christ's "offspring"?

Isaiah 53:10
10Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him;
he has put him to grief;g
when his soul makesh an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

If WE are His spiritual "offspring" - then that makes Christ the New Adam. It DOESN'T make us the "New Eve" - anymore than Cain and Abel were "Eve". It would make us the offspring of the New Adam.

Ergo, your entire argument circles the drain once more . . .