Mental Disorder of LGBT: Analysis - Spiritual, Political and Scientific

[TinMan]

Straw man

the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.

No. Discernment is understanding. Discrimination is a much finer point.

Actually you are the one engaging in a strawman fallacy here. You know that the discriminaton being discussed is the prejudicial or disadvantageous treatment of an individual based on his or her membership - or perceived membership - in of a minority and not the recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

If I said I need to get a new battery for my mouse are you really foolish enough to argue that i am talking about one of these?

Sin must be discriminated against.

But not people

Post-modernism has hijacked the English language so that nearly everything that doesn't affirm sin is called "evil."

Irony alert

 

[BarneyFife]

the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.

Actually you are the one engaging in a strawman fallacy here. You know that the discriminaton being discussed is the prejudicial or disadvantageous treatment of an individual based on his or her membership - or perceived membership - in of a minority and not the recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

If I said I need to get a new battery for my mouse are you really foolish enough to argue that i am talking about one of these?
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But not people

Irony alert

"I know you are but what am I" alert

 

[TinMan]

"I know you are but what am I" alert

I guess a catchphrase is easier than actually responding.

 

[Wrangler]

I guess a catchphrase is easier than actually responding.

You, fellow "Christian," don't respond all the time but invoke a variant of the 3 bullet points, false categorizing our love for sexual sinners as hate.

Not an answer to my question. GIVEN, that homosexuals will not inherit God's kingdom, can you understand that a loving Christian would want everyone to inherent God’s kingdom?

 

[MatthewG]

Im not so sure hate the sin not the sinner is a good statement.

If you hate the sin, (as in fierce anger) youre more than likely gonna hate the sinner.

Its almost like being racist.

Similar to saying;

Oh your not the same as me, nor a christian? Let me look down at you, or tell you are going straight to hell. Because im superior…

Ignorance, and anthetical to agape love.

 

[Wrangler]

Im not so sure hate the sin not the sinner is a good statement.

Who's making that statement? Check out https://www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/is-it-true-that-god-loves-the-sinner-but-hates-the-sin

 

[MatthewG]

Hi Wrangler,

I am. Thank you for the link, I am not interested.

Im not so sure hate the sin not the sinner is a good statement.

If you hate the sin, (as in fierce anger) youre more than likely gonna hate the sinner.

Its almost like being racist.

Similar to saying;

Oh your not the same as me, nor a christian? Let me look down at you, or tell you are going straight to hell. Because im superior…

Ignorance, and anthetical to agape love.

Peace be with you,
Matthew

 

[BarneyFife]

Who's making that statement?

God?

Bible Gateway passage: Proverbs 8:13 - King James Version

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

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[BarneyFife]

I guess a catchphrase is easier than actually responding.

And about as productive under the unfortunate circumstances.

Well, today is the Sabbath, so I'm taking it easy. @Wrangler says I've been working too hard, anyway - lol.

 

[BarneyFife]

Im not so sure hate the sin not the sinner is a good statement.

If you hate the sin, (as in fierce anger) youre more than likely gonna hate the sinner.

Its almost like being racist.

Similar to saying;



Ignorance, and anthetical to agape love.

I do think you're onto something. You exhibit a very interesting, observational mind.

 

[Josho]

Maybe it's nitpicking, I dunno, but do you think sins that resulted in death by stoning were unforgivable? Could it actually be that everyone who suffered fatal punishment under the ancient Hebrew theocracy also forfeited eternal life?

Some will think me presumptuous to say this, but I have a hard time believing that Uzzah will be lost for spontaneously and reactively trying to prevent the ark of the covenant from being soiled by falling to the ground. He may have been disqualified for eternal life under some other circumstances, but I just believe that mortal punishment under the old covenant, so to speak, should be seen as mostly figurative of perishing as per John 3:16.
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Well in the OT they did not have the blood of Jesus, they had to sacrifice animals and they sometimes died for their disobedience, I guess you could debate they were unforgivable in the OT.

I believe along the line God saw that mankind were increasingly unable to keep the law and obey his commands, so He sent Jesus to wash the sins away of those who are willing to believe, repent and accept him as their Lord and Saviour.

Interestingly though Ananias and Sapphirra dropped dead in Acts, perhaps a discussion for another thread though.

 

[dev553344]

Being homosexual can probably be learned or inherited. Neither is good in God's eyes. It's unhealthy to be homosexual mentally and physically.

 

[TinMan]

You, fellow "Christian," don't respond all the time but invoke a variant of the 3 bullet points, false categorizing our love for sexual sinners as hate.

How is discrimination, false witness, and dehumanizing attacks love?

 

[BarneyFife]

Well in the OT they did not have the blood of Jesus,

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 13:8 - King James Version

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

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they had to sacrifice animals and they sometimes died for their disobedience

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 10:4 - King James Version

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

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I guess you could debate they were unforgivable in the OT.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 12:31 - King James Version

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

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I believe along the line God saw that mankind were increasingly unable to keep the law and obey his commands

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 6:5 - King James Version

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

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so He sent Jesus to wash the sins away of those who are willing to believe, repent and accept him as their Lord and Saviour.

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 4:4 - King James Version

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

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Interestingly though Ananias and Sapphirra dropped dead in Acts, perhaps a discussion for another thread though.

It is very interesting, but the story seems to indicate that their persistence in greed constituted the culmination of the unpardonable sin.

It is very unfortunate that the dispensationalist view of Scripture was able to take such firm hold at the turn of the 20th century, that the beautiful historic view of all Scripture as being representative of the life history of any single soul has been snuffed out to such a degree as it has.

God has and has always had only one way of saving mankind.

The Lamb of God takes away the sin of the world for all time.

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 14:6 - King James Version

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

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Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 3:15 - King James Version

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

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Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 6:8 - King James Version

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

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Bible Gateway passage: John 8:56 - King James Version

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

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Bible Gateway passage: John 3:7-8 - King James Version

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

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Bible Gateway passage: John 3:9-10 - King James Version

Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

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Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 13:20 - King James Version

Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

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Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 13:21 - King James Version

Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

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[TinMan]

Being homosexual can probably be learned

And decades of looking for evidence of this has turned up nothing. That itself might be a lesson.

It's unhealthy to be homosexual mentally and physically.

Evidence?

 

[BarneyFife]

And decades of looking for evidence of this has turned up nothing. That itself might be a lesson.

Evidence?

• "Prove it!"

From the highest scientific authority in the universe:

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 1:27 - King James Version

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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Bible Gateway passage: Romans 1:28 - King James Version

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

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a depraved
ἀδόκιμον (adokimon)
Adjective - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 96: Failing to pass the test, unapproved, counterfeit. By implication, worthless.

mind,
νοῦν (noun)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3563: Probably from the base of ginosko; the intellect, i.e. Mind; by implication, meaning.

 

[TinMan]

• "Prove it!"

From the highest scientific authority in the universe:

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 1:27 - King James Version

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 1:28 - King James Version

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

www.biblegateway.com

a depraved
ἀδόκιμον (adokimon)
Adjective - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 96: Failing to pass the test, unapproved, counterfeit. By implication, worthless.

mind,
νοῦν (noun)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3563: Probably from the base of ginosko; the intellect, i.e. Mind; by implication, meaning.

"Yes, I do ask for evidence to back up claims.
I rarely get any."

 

[BarneyFife]

"Yes, I do ask for evidence to back up claims.
I rarely get any."

Now you have some.

 

[BarneyFife]

Being homosexual can probably be learned or inherited.

And decades of looking for evidence of this has turned up nothing.

I do have intimate personal knowledge of an immediate family member who was emotionally manipulated into believing he was homosexual, and finally came to his senses. In the process of clearing this up, we discovered that it happens all the time. I've also been privy to similar occurrences of this among extended family members.

And that's all the evidence I need.

 

[MatthewG]

@BarneyFife

People just hate people... because of what they do.

It's a disease, and the only solution for the hate is love... and that only comes from the true solution.

Yeshua.