Mental Disorder of LGBT: Analysis - Spiritual, Political and Scientific

[Wrangler]

It is difficult for Christians to remain a sub-culture in a rapidly deteriorating society in which technology is leveraged to place constant pressure to pervert, tempt and destroy. To that end, this thread is aimed to ground Christians from a common motif, The Perversion of Equality, in general, and the identification of LGBT mental disorders as normal, in particular.

SPIRITUAL ANALYSIS

We Christians would be lost without the Bible. God's word is invaluable to keeping us on the straight and narrow path and is always the place to begin any endeavor, consistent with the 1st Commandment. There are 2 verses that are particularly germane to keep us grounded:

Do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (ESV)

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. Romans 1:28-32

As the analysis continues, we will grasp how they invent ways to do evil.

Part 1 of 3

 

[Wrangler]

POLITICAL ANALYSIS

The political left embraces totalitarianism. As such, they expand politics into the totality of life's experience. Being, authoritarian, the Left shriek at every instance where their fallacious Appeal to Authority is rejected. Everything is now tainted with politics. (Math is said to be racist because it asserts there is only one right answer.) 3 areas where this is painfully seen is:

1. the appealing "Central Organizing Principle" represented by 'Global Warming' and the recent COVID pandemic.
2. perverting equality of race, sex; and attempts to normalize sexual deviancy
3. Leveraging science to achieve political ends, i.e., we must 'follow the science', which makes science now an IDOL.

1. Central Organizing Principle

The Founding documents of the United States of America lay out the principles upon which government ought to be formed.
To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. The Declaration of Independence

Governments are to be established for the purpose of securing our rights, meaning our liberty, our freedom to act. Communism and its more successful variant Cultural Marxism, instead appeals to 'the greater good' and attempt to shame people into giving them power by sacrificing liberty to global warming, global pandemic, etc. This is the ultimate manifestation of evil.

2. Perversion of Equality

Expanding on emotional manipulation of shame is coveting of the unequal minority with the more successful majority. I was struck during the Obama Administration during the 2010 Census that there were more races one could identify as than ever before when scientists came out and falsely proclaimed there is no such thing as race. What profound asymmetry: as government was ramping up and heightening racial inequality, scientists were denying even its existence.

One non-political way to identify the truth of inequality is in medicine. Certain diseases are prone in certain races more than others. The same with sex. The same with sexual deviancy.

3. 'Follow The Science'

Establishing science as an IDOL to submit to - rather than our Creator, God - makes it a tool to shepherd the sheeple to their own destruction. You don't have a PhD in Climatology so you should shut up. You got to use people's preferred pronouns. Notice the Left is always about stifling speech by one mechanism or another?

This article brilliantly details how political pressures were used on the APA to stop classifying LGBT as a mental illness. How LGBTQ+ Activists Got “Homosexuality” out of the DSM. In short, they capitulated on the grounds that some with this disorder are self-sufficient. The self-sufficiency standard really has nothing to do with inherent mental disorders - only a measure of the severity of the underlying self-destructive behavior. Notice the political drivers stated in the article:

The campaign to remove the “homosexuality” diagnosis from the DSM began in earnest in the 1960s, backed by a growing civil rights, women’s rights, and gay rights movement across the country.​

Part 2 of 3

 

[Wrangler]

SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS

This outstanding paper should be read in detail but here are some excerpts of Homosexuality and scientific evidence: On suspect anecdotes, antiquated data, and broad generalizations:

Abstract​

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The American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association have suggested for many years now that there is significant empirical evidence supporting the claim that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexual orientation as opposed to a mental disorder. This paper summarizes and analyzes that purported scientific evidence and explains that much (if not all) of the evidence is irrelevant and does not support the homosexuality-is-not-a-mental-disorder claim. As a result of their deficiencies and arbitrariness, the credibility those two groups that are typically deemed authoritative and trustworthy is called into question.​

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The accusation of using outdated material and deviating into realms beyond the scope of one's expertise implies two things; first, it implies that there actually is information that is more up-to-date than what the nun presented on the topic of homosexuality, and secondly it implies that there are credible experts who are more qualified to teach or speak on the topic of homosexuality.​

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It should be noted that the “task force” that produced the APA document was chaired by Judith M. Glassgold, Psy.D., who is a lesbian psychologist. She sits on the board of the Journal of Gay and Lesbian Psychotherapy and is past president of the APA's Gay and Lesbian Division 44 (Nicolosi 2009). Other members of the task force were Lee Beckstead, Ph.D.; Jack Drescher, M.D.; Beverly Greene, Ph.D.; Robin Lin Miller, Ph.D.; Roger L. Worthington, Ph.D.; and Clinton W. Anderson, Ph.D. According to Joseph Nicolosi, Beckstead, Drescher, and Anderson are all “gay,” while Miller is “bisexual” and Greene is lesbian (Nicolosi 2009). So, prior to assessing their discussions, the reader should note that those involved with this APA task force are not speaking or writing from neutral standpoints.​

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Here again we have “antiquated data” (a study from 1951) with an absurd conclusion. The observation of a behavior in both non-human and human animals is not a sufficient condition to determine that there is “nothing unnatural” about that behavior (unless the APA re-defines the word “natural” to accommodate that statement). In other words, there are many behaviors or actions that non-human animals and human animals both perform, but this does not always result in the conclusion that “there is nothing unnatural” about those behaviors.​

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For example, cannibalism has been shown to be widespread in human cultures and non-human animals (Petrinovich 2000, 92).2 Applying the behavior of cannibalism to the logic used by the APA would result in the following argument:​

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1. Any action or behavior present in a wide range of animal species and human cultures suggests that the behavior or action is not unnatural;​

2. The behavior of humans eating humans and other animals eating their own species is present in a wide range of animal species and human cultures;​

3. Therefore, there is nothing unnatural about humans eating other human beings.​

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Yet, there is something “unnatural” about human beings eating other human beings. We can arrive at that conclusion through common sense (without being an anthropologist, sociologist, psychologist, or biologist). Thus, the APA's use of Ford and Beach's faulty conclusion as “evidence” that homosexuality is not a mental disorder is both antiquated and deficient. Once again, the literature does not support their conclusion, and the conclusion itself is absurd; their argument is not a scientific argument.​

Part 3 of 3

 

[TinMan]

POLITICAL ANALYSIS

The political left embraces totalitarianism. As such, they expand politics into the totality of life's experience. Being, authoritarian, the Left shriek at every instance where their fallacious Appeal to Authority is rejected.

Your first post in this thread "spiritual analysis" is completely an appeal to authority and contains your shrieking about how anyone who doesn't unquestioningly bow to authority is evil.

Everything is now tainted with politics. (Math is said to be racist because it asserts there is only one right answer.)

What garbage. The science of numbers and their various operations, abstractions and transformations, does not have a particular racial affinity.
And no one ever claimed it did.

Some years ago educators began considering altering the way they teach math to better serve struggling K-12 students. Students in inner city schools seem to struggle more with math and the educators also looked at why this was the case. They proposed teachers use different techniques to better engage students, such as collaborative learning instead of solitary problem sets and an emphasis on real-world examples. There is no one right way to teach math. But since this change was directed towards those schools and students having the most problems with math education and most of these involved minorities racist politics entered into the picture screaming about how this is somehow CRT in the classroom and how math is be weaponized against white children.

So yes math was tainted with politics, the politics of hate.

3 areas where this is painfully seen is:

1. the appealing "Central Organizing Principle" represented by 'Global Warming' and the recent COVID pandemic.
2. perverting equality of race, sex; and attempts to normalize sexual deviancy
3. Leveraging science to achieve political ends, i.e., we must 'follow the science', which makes science now an IDOL.

1. Central Organizing Principle

The Founding documents of the United States of America lay out the principles upon which government ought to be formed.
To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. The Declaration of Independence

Governments are to be established for the purpose of securing our rights, meaning our liberty, our freedom to act.

But apparently not rights and freedom to act for everyone.
Just people you approve of.

Communism and its more successful variant Cultural Marxism, instead appeals to 'the greater good' and attempt to shame people into giving them power by sacrificing liberty to global warming, global pandemic, etc. This is the ultimate manifestation of evil.

AN ironic statement considering how the right demands to ban books, substitute politics for science and restrict the rights of minorities..

2. Perversion of Equality

Expanding on emotional manipulation of shame is coveting of the unequal minority with the more successful majority.

That darn 14th amendment. It guarantees that everyone is equal, even people you choose to hate. It is of course your right to hate others. But your hate doesn't provide you or anyone with the dight to discriminate .

I was struck during the Obama Administration during the 2010 Census that there were more races one could identify as than ever before when scientists came out and falsely proclaimed there is no such thing as race. What profound asymmetry: as government was ramping up and heightening racial inequality, scientists were denying even its existence.

Except it's not true. First the scientific claims was that there is no clear delineation of races, people don't fit neatly into a small number of pigeonholes.

The 2010 census included the option for people to identify as more than one race.

One non-political way to identify the truth of inequality is in medicine. Certain diseases are prone in certain races more than others. The same with sex. The same with sexual deviancy.

Yes black people are more likely to have HIV...and here you are saying that makes blacks unequal and justifies racism

3. 'Follow The Science'

Establishing science as an IDOL to submit to - rather than our Creator, God - makes it a tool to shepherd the sheeple to their own destruction. You don't have a PhD in Climatology so you should shut up. You got to use people's preferred pronouns. Notice the Left is always about stifling speech by one mechanism or another?

ironic considering your mangling of the word equality.

This article brilliantly details how political pressures were used on the APA to stop classifying LGBT as a mental illness. How LGBTQ+ Activists Got “Homosexuality” out of the DSM. In short, they capitulated on the grounds that some with this disorder are self-sufficient. The self-sufficiency standard really has nothing to do with inherent mental disorders - only a measure of the severity of the underlying self-destructive behavior. Notice the political drivers stated in the article:

The campaign to remove the “homosexuality” diagnosis from the DSM began in earnest in the 1960s, backed by a growing civil rights, women’s rights, and gay rights movement across the country.​

Part 2 of 3

False. The pressure was to have those few saying homosexuality was a mental illness to actually provide evidence that it was. They couldn't so it was removed from the DSM.

 

[TinMan]

SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS

This outstanding paper should be read in detail but here are some excerpts of Homosexuality and scientific evidence: On suspect anecdotes, antiquated data, and broad generalizations:

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First it should be noted the esteemed author of this work is a highly regarded phycologist...oh wait...he isn't. He's a pharmacist.

Second and what is truly important here is that he cites the "research" of well known frauds. He cites NARTH, an anti-gay hate group that advocates the verbal and physical abuse of children as young as the age of thee.
He cites Paul Cameron, a man who lost his APA membership and his job at the university of Nebraska when it was found his "groundbreaking" study at the levels of dysfunction of homosexuals was based on research that he made up.

 

[Wrangler]

Your first post in this thread "spiritual analysis" is completely an appeal to authority

So, you reject the authority of God and the Bible. Why are you on this Christian forum?

 

[Wrangler]

False.

Truth. The actual history of the mental illness of LGBT being removed from the DSM shown as politically motivated rather than science removes your claim to validation.

 

[TinMan]

So, you reject the authority of God and the Bible. Why are you on this Christian forum?

your appeal to authority is to you, you are the authority everyone has to march in lock step with.

 

[TinMan]

Truth. The actual history of the mental illness of LGBT being removed from the DSM shown as politically motivated rather than science removes your claim to validation.

Well that is a complete lie. The people who were there say its a lie. Robert Spitzer, Melvin Sabshin, Carolyn Robinowitz, Richard Green, Judd Marmor, John Spiegel and whole pile of other people who were involved in the scientific inquiry that showed homosexuality was is nd always has been just a normal variation of human sexuality, like being left handed or having blue eyes. You can read all about the painstaking process they went through and the research conducted.
American Psychiatry and Homosexuality: An Oral History by Jack Dresher and Joseph Merlino
Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis by Ronald Bayer
Changing American Psychiatry A Personal Perspective Melvin Sabshin
Are good places to start. Not that I expect you to actually read anything.
The truth remains that homosexuality was never a mental illness. The truth remains that it was removed from the DSM by unanimous vote no less because there was not one single shred of evidence to say that homosexuality is a mantal illness. and 50 years later, there still isn't one shred of evidence.

 

[Wrangler]

Then there are the coverts whose stories are suppressed.

Gender Transformation: The Untold Realities

 

[Wrangler]

 

[Wrangler]

 

[Jim B]

SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS

This outstanding paper should be read in detail but here are some excerpts of Homosexuality and scientific evidence: On suspect anecdotes, antiquated data, and broad generalizations:

Abstract​

​

The American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association have suggested for many years now that there is significant empirical evidence supporting the claim that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexual orientation as opposed to a mental disorder. This paper summarizes and analyzes that purported scientific evidence and explains that much (if not all) of the evidence is irrelevant and does not support the homosexuality-is-not-a-mental-disorder claim. As a result of their deficiencies and arbitrariness, the credibility those two groups that are typically deemed authoritative and trustworthy is called into question.​

​

The accusation of using outdated material and deviating into realms beyond the scope of one's expertise implies two things; first, it implies that there actually is information that is more up-to-date than what the nun presented on the topic of homosexuality, and secondly it implies that there are credible experts who are more qualified to teach or speak on the topic of homosexuality.​

​

It should be noted that the “task force” that produced the APA document was chaired by Judith M. Glassgold, Psy.D., who is a lesbian psychologist. She sits on the board of the Journal of Gay and Lesbian Psychotherapy and is past president of the APA's Gay and Lesbian Division 44 (Nicolosi 2009). Other members of the task force were Lee Beckstead, Ph.D.; Jack Drescher, M.D.; Beverly Greene, Ph.D.; Robin Lin Miller, Ph.D.; Roger L. Worthington, Ph.D.; and Clinton W. Anderson, Ph.D. According to Joseph Nicolosi, Beckstead, Drescher, and Anderson are all “gay,” while Miller is “bisexual” and Greene is lesbian (Nicolosi 2009). So, prior to assessing their discussions, the reader should note that those involved with this APA task force are not speaking or writing from neutral standpoints.​

​

Here again we have “antiquated data” (a study from 1951) with an absurd conclusion. The observation of a behavior in both non-human and human animals is not a sufficient condition to determine that there is “nothing unnatural” about that behavior (unless the APA re-defines the word “natural” to accommodate that statement). In other words, there are many behaviors or actions that non-human animals and human animals both perform, but this does not always result in the conclusion that “there is nothing unnatural” about those behaviors.​

​

For example, cannibalism has been shown to be widespread in human cultures and non-human animals (Petrinovich 2000, 92).2 Applying the behavior of cannibalism to the logic used by the APA would result in the following argument:​

​

1. Any action or behavior present in a wide range of animal species and human cultures suggests that the behavior or action is not unnatural;​

2. The behavior of humans eating humans and other animals eating their own species is present in a wide range of animal species and human cultures;​

3. Therefore, there is nothing unnatural about humans eating other human beings.​

​

Yet, there is something “unnatural” about human beings eating other human beings. We can arrive at that conclusion through common sense (without being an anthropologist, sociologist, psychologist, or biologist). Thus, the APA's use of Ford and Beach's faulty conclusion as “evidence” that homosexuality is not a mental disorder is both antiquated and deficient. Once again, the literature does not support their conclusion, and the conclusion itself is absurd; their argument is not a scientific argument.​

Part 3 of 3

 

[Jim B]

POLITICAL ANALYSIS

The political left embraces totalitarianism. As such, they expand politics into the totality of life's experience. Being, authoritarian, the Left shriek at every instance where their fallacious Appeal to Authority is rejected. Everything is now tainted with politics. (Math is said to be racist because it asserts there is only one right answer.) 3 areas where this is painfully seen is:

1. the appealing "Central Organizing Principle" represented by 'Global Warming' and the recent COVID pandemic.
2. perverting equality of race, sex; and attempts to normalize sexual deviancy
3. Leveraging science to achieve political ends, i.e., we must 'follow the science', which makes science now an IDOL.

1. Central Organizing Principle

The Founding documents of the United States of America lay out the principles upon which government ought to be formed.
To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. The Declaration of Independence

Governments are to be established for the purpose of securing our rights, meaning our liberty, our freedom to act. Communism and its more successful variant Cultural Marxism, instead appeals to 'the greater good' and attempt to shame people into giving them power by sacrificing liberty to global warming, global pandemic, etc. This is the ultimate manifestation of evil.

2. Perversion of Equality

Expanding on emotional manipulation of shame is coveting of the unequal minority with the more successful majority. I was struck during the Obama Administration during the 2010 Census that there were more races one could identify as than ever before when scientists came out and falsely proclaimed there is no such thing as race. What profound asymmetry: as government was ramping up and heightening racial inequality, scientists were denying even its existence.

One non-political way to identify the truth of inequality is in medicine. Certain diseases are prone in certain races more than others. The same with sex. The same with sexual deviancy.

3. 'Follow The Science'

Establishing science as an IDOL to submit to - rather than our Creator, God - makes it a tool to shepherd the sheeple to their own destruction. You don't have a PhD in Climatology so you should shut up. You got to use people's preferred pronouns. Notice the Left is always about stifling speech by one mechanism or another?

This article brilliantly details how political pressures were used on the APA to stop classifying LGBT as a mental illness. How LGBTQ+ Activists Got “Homosexuality” out of the DSM. In short, they capitulated on the grounds that some with this disorder are self-sufficient. The self-sufficiency standard really has nothing to do with inherent mental disorders - only a measure of the severity of the underlying self-destructive behavior. Notice the political drivers stated in the article:

The campaign to remove the “homosexuality” diagnosis from the DSM began in earnest in the 1960s, backed by a growing civil rights, women’s rights, and gay rights movement across the country.​

Part 2 of 3

 

[Jim B]

It is difficult for Christians to remain a sub-culture in a rapidly deteriorating society in which technology is leveraged to place constant pressure to pervert, tempt and destroy. To that end, this thread is aimed to ground Christians from a common motif, The Perversion of Equality, in general, and the identification of LGBT mental disorders as normal, in particular.

SPIRITUAL ANALYSIS

We Christians would be lost without the Bible. God's word is invaluable to keeping us on the straight and narrow path and is always the place to begin any endeavor, consistent with the 1st Commandment. There are 2 verses that are particularly germane to keep us grounded:

Do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (ESV)

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. Romans 1:28-32

As the analysis continues, we will grasp how they invent ways to do evil.

Part 1 of 3

 

[TinMan]

I'm reminded of the infamous Robert Spitzer study from many years ago. Spitzer wanted to study these so-called ex-gays but the problem was he couldn't find any. So he went to several ex-gay ministries and after years of claims about changing homosexuals they were finally able to come up with 11 men how said that they were homosexual and were no heterosexual. The problem was all of these men were employed by the ex-gay ministries, basically they were being paid to be ex-gay and this was a huge reason shy Spitzer's study failed it's peer review. Shortly before he died Spitzer gave an interview where he apologized for the harm his poor study did to the gay community. He also related that one of his last graduate students proposed a follow up to his original study. They were able to track down 10 of the 11 men, none of whom were working for their ex-gay ministries and every one of them said that they had never changed their orientation and that they were pushed to lie about it by their organizations.

 

[amigo de christo]

It is difficult for Christians to remain a sub-culture in a rapidly deteriorating society in which technology is leveraged to place constant pressure to pervert, tempt and destroy. To that end, this thread is aimed to ground Christians from a common motif, The Perversion of Equality, in general, and the identification of LGBT mental disorders as normal, in particular.

SPIRITUAL ANALYSIS

We Christians would be lost without the Bible. God's word is invaluable to keeping us on the straight and narrow path and is always the place to begin any endeavor, consistent with the 1st Commandment. There are 2 verses that are particularly germane to keep us grounded:

Do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (ESV)

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. Romans 1:28-32

As the analysis continues, we will grasp how they invent ways to do evil.

Part 1 of 3

all i need to know is GOD dont approve of it . thus i wont support it either . its that simple .

 

[Wrangler]

all i need to know is GOD dont approve of it . thus i wont support it either . its that simple .

You are right. It is that simple.

The rest of the analysis was to clear up the confusion sowed by the Adversary.

 

[Wrangler]

Great vid on the crisis of meaning.

 

[Wrangler]

From https://www.conservapedia.com/Overcoming_homosexuality

Overcoming homosexuality is definitely possible for those who wish to abandon homosexuality, and many ex-homosexuals attest to this matter. Today many report overcoming homosexuality and becoming heterosexuals or celibate through their Christian faith or healthy activities,[1] including celebrities. Repetitive activities have a significant influence on one's sexuality, such as whether a male becomes a figure skater (pro-gay) or a baseball player (virtually no gays), or a female becomes a basketball player (pro-lesbian) or a ballerina (virtually no lesbians). Chess appears to deter homosexuality in both genders.

In 1980, a study was published in the American Journal of Psychiatry and eleven men participated in this study. The aforementioned study stated that eleven homosexual men became heterosexuals "without explicit treatment and/or long-term psychotherapy" through their participation in a Pentecostal church.[2]

Many people do not understand the causes of homosexuality so they mistakenly believe that overcoming homosexuality is not an available option.