Your claim is that you think you follow the Lord Jesus better than Paul followed Him.
Messiah 2030
- Thread starter The Light
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Dave Watchman
Active Member
Nope. the people I have in mind are totally different. Totally unique. You can say they were a part of great tribulation, but they didn't go through it. They never got hungry, they never were thirsty, the sun never shined on them, or struck them with heat. And they were the only ones who never worshiped the image of the beast. And they were, and are, being beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God. It's like that phrase when God said I knew you, loved you, when you were still in the womb.
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
AI knows
Knew You in Womb
The phrase "I knew you when you were still in the womb" is derived from the biblical verse "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" from Jeremiah 1. This verse is part of God's call to the prophet Jeremiah, emphasizing that God had a specific plan and purpose for him even before his birth. The Hebrew word translated as "knew" in this context implies a deep, personal relationship rather than mere intellectual knowledge.
It suggests that God had a profound awareness and care for Jeremiah even before his conception. This concept is also reflected in other biblical passages, such as Galatians 1, where the apostle Paul states that God set him apart from his mother's womb. The idea that God knows and has a purpose for each individual before their birth is a significant theme in Christian theology, highlighting the belief in divine foreknowledge and predestination.
I'm thinking of an abortion method where they begin to pull the baby out, but as the head is too big to pass through, they remove the contents of the infant's head using a suction device, and the soft scull collapses and can then be removed. The baby is essentially beheaded.
5. American physicians' reactions to vacuum aspiration
Despite efforts to popularize the technique, American physicians' initial reactions to the new technology were mixed. Some physicians were reluctant to try it for both medical and political reasons. Feminists, such as Patricia Maginnis (who was also the president of the Society for Humane Abortion), were recommending the apparatus long before most American doctors had even heard of the technique. Physicians who were not involved in the abortion rights movement often regarded activist women with contempt and suspicion, and did not want to associate themselves, even technologically, with women who sought to destabilize the medical hierarchy by taking reproduction into their own hands. Other physicians, particularly those over fifty, who in medical school were told that the D&C was "the answer to all female complaints", were reluctant to learn a new technique so far along in their careers. Meanwhile, those working in secrecy either could not afford the machinery, or did not want to take the risk of working with equipment that could not be easily moved should a police raid occur 37.
Some physicians derived their negative opinions about electrical vacuum aspiration from personal experience. Minnesota physician Jane Hodgson disparaged the new apparatus: "Our first equipment was crude, noisy and even dangerous. The vacuum pressure was not measured. Some of the earliest equipment simply utilized the [powerful] wall suction in the operating room, which was designed for use with fluid-draining equipment during surgery" 38. As New York obstetrician/gynecologist William Rashbaum recalled, "the suction machine was a pump attached to a Dixie cup, with the top held on with rubber bands (...) there were a number of deaths from the suction machine. If connected incorrectly the machine would blow instead of suction, causing some patients to die of air embolus" 39. The technological skepticism of these physicians was understandable. In the late 1960s, there still existed two technical drawbacks to the apparatus: the unpredictable suction, and the rigid metal cannulas whose use, like the D&C, required a fair amount of skill on the part of the operator, since any mistake could result in uterine perforation, infection, and possibly death 40.
On the other hand, there were many physicians who were excited about the new technology. It drew enormous praise from physicians practicing in large urban centers on the East and West Coasts, such as Barry Messinger and Daniel Fieldstone (pseudonym). Fieldstone completed his residency in obstetrics and gynecology (and presumably abortion training) at Mount Sinai Hospital, under the tutelage of Alan Guttmacher. He spent most of the 1950s and 1960s performing illegal abortions in New York, and was persuaded by his mentor to attend the 1968 Hot Springs Conference. The conference held both personal and professional significance for Fieldstone because it made him feel part of a legitimate community of "extralegal" abortion providers who were technological innovators in their own right. According to Fieldstone, "That meeting (...) really changed everything. It brought together (...) what was known then about techniques.' Like many of the physicians at the conference whose hospital-based abortion experience was limited to the D&C method, Fieldstone [instantly recognized the power of the] vacuum suction machine, which [seemed to be] a far safer method of early abortion. The suction was an eye opener, it was such a superior technique -it shocked us" 41.
5. American physicians' reactions to vacuum aspiration
Despite efforts to popularize the technique, American physicians' initial reactions to the new technology were mixed. Some physicians were reluctant to try it for both medical and political reasons. Feminists, such as Patricia Maginnis (who was also the president of the Society for Humane Abortion), were recommending the apparatus long before most American doctors had even heard of the technique. Physicians who were not involved in the abortion rights movement often regarded activist women with contempt and suspicion, and did not want to associate themselves, even technologically, with women who sought to destabilize the medical hierarchy by taking reproduction into their own hands. Other physicians, particularly those over fifty, who in medical school were told that the D&C was "the answer to all female complaints", were reluctant to learn a new technique so far along in their careers. Meanwhile, those working in secrecy either could not afford the machinery, or did not want to take the risk of working with equipment that could not be easily moved should a police raid occur 37.
Some physicians derived their negative opinions about electrical vacuum aspiration from personal experience. Minnesota physician Jane Hodgson disparaged the new apparatus: "Our first equipment was crude, noisy and even dangerous. The vacuum pressure was not measured. Some of the earliest equipment simply utilized the [powerful] wall suction in the operating room, which was designed for use with fluid-draining equipment during surgery" 38. As New York obstetrician/gynecologist William Rashbaum recalled, "the suction machine was a pump attached to a Dixie cup, with the top held on with rubber bands (...) there were a number of deaths from the suction machine. If connected incorrectly the machine would blow instead of suction, causing some patients to die of air embolus" 39. The technological skepticism of these physicians was understandable. In the late 1960s, there still existed two technical drawbacks to the apparatus: the unpredictable suction, and the rigid metal cannulas whose use, like the D&C, required a fair amount of skill on the part of the operator, since any mistake could result in uterine perforation, infection, and possibly death 40.
On the other hand, there were many physicians who were excited about the new technology. It drew enormous praise from physicians practicing in large urban centers on the East and West Coasts, such as Barry Messinger and Daniel Fieldstone (pseudonym). Fieldstone completed his residency in obstetrics and gynecology (and presumably abortion training) at Mount Sinai Hospital, under the tutelage of Alan Guttmacher. He spent most of the 1950s and 1960s performing illegal abortions in New York, and was persuaded by his mentor to attend the 1968 Hot Springs Conference. The conference held both personal and professional significance for Fieldstone because it made him feel part of a legitimate community of "extralegal" abortion providers who were technological innovators in their own right. According to Fieldstone, "That meeting (...) really changed everything. It brought together (...) what was known then about techniques.' Like many of the physicians at the conference whose hospital-based abortion experience was limited to the D&C method, Fieldstone [instantly recognized the power of the] vacuum suction machine, which [seemed to be] a far safer method of early abortion. The suction was an eye opener, it was such a superior technique -it shocked us" 41.
Spiritual Israelite
Well-Known Member
Paul taught the truth in scripture without any mistakes and he followed Christ and His teachings as well as any Christian ever has. His serious mistakes were made before he became a Christian. He is a great example to follow because he was bold in his faith, he had a close personal relationship with Christ and God trusted him enough to use him to write about half of the New Testament.
1 Corinthians 4:15 Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you to imitate me. 17 For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
So, you apparently disagree that we should imitate Paul, who imitated Christ? In terms of having another follower of Christ who we should imitate, you won't find a better one than Paul. By imitating him you are imitating Christ because Paul imitated Christ. He sacrificed himself for others many times and showed how to live as a true Christian and his writings teach that as well.
Hello? If you follow Paul's example than you will follow Christ because that is what Paul did. Paul is the example we can follow in terms of someone who followed Christ. That doesn't mean we follow Paul instead of Christ, it means we follow Paul's example of how to follow Christ. You're not even thinking here.
That is an extremely stupid statement. You don't get it at all. I am a follower of Jesus Christ who wisely learns from Paul's example of how to properly be a follower of Jesus Christ. You should do the same. It's sad that you have such a low opinion of Paul when you can learn a lot from his example of how to follow Jesus Christ.Maybe someday you can switch from being a follower of Paul and become a follower of Jesus Christ!
Big Boy Johnson
Well-Known Member
However, he was not perfect like Jesus was and still is.
I'll stick with Jesus.
2 Corinthians 11:28
Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
Paul was not being obedient to 1 Peter 5:7 or Philippians 4:6 and spent time daily in care (sorrow, worry, fear, anxiety, etc) over the churches he had started or helped start and was ministering to which was an open door to the devil to keep attacking Paul (that was his thorn in the flesh)
This was an ongoing open door the devil had to continually attack Paul which he did until later in Paul's life when He finally figured out caring for the Lord's people is Jesus' job, not his since He's not God.
1 Peter 5:7
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Philippians 4:6
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
Later in life Paul let that care go and he got delivered from his affliction (2 Timothy 3:11) and the last record we have of Paul says NO MAN was forbidding him from preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Acts 28:30,31)
Jesus didn't have any sorrow, worry, fear, anxiety so He is a far better example to follow than Paul, especially considering we are told in scripture to imitate the Lord not any man. (see 1 Corinthians 3:4-5, Ephesians 5:1, and Romans 8:29)
A lot of folks have issues with following Jesus, so if you feel you need to follow men instead of the Lord then I suppose this is what you'll continue doing. Good luck with all that.
Jesus is far, far better than Paul. I abide in Christ and the scriptures teach, not in Paul.
Well you follow Paul and I'll follow Jesus and the Lord will reward each of us accordingly.
Those not following Jesus are the slow ones.
Some folks think it's arrogant to do what the Lord instructs in His Word, but that's their problem not mine.
They are ignorant of biblical humility due to having been brainwashed in to following people rather then the Lord
1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Obeying God's Word is humbling one's self under the mighty Hand of God Who is God's Word Jesus Christ.
Thru the Lord's Word we are able to partake in the Lord's divine nation, well some of us are!
Go ahead, try to humble me!
Do you need my address so you can come over and attempt to humble me?
Meh, that's what satan says but I ignore him too!
Sorry fellas, the cult is those who follow Paul.
Christians are the ones following Jesus, that's why it's called Christianity instead of Paulianity since Paul is not The Christ.
Ah well we will see how this prediction pans out in 2030 I guess... if a rapture doesn't happen before then.
You haven't yet explained how you follow Jesus better than Paul followed Jesus.However, he was not perfect like Jesus was and still is.
I'll stick with Jesus.
2 Corinthians 11:28
Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
Paul was not being obedient to 1 Peter 5:7 or Philippians 4:6 and spent time daily in care (sorrow, worry, fear, anxiety, etc) over the churches he had started or helped start and was ministering to which was an open door to the devil to keep attacking Paul (that was his thorn in the flesh)
This was an ongoing open door the devil had to continually attack Paul which he did until later in Paul's life when He finally figured out caring for the Lord's people is Jesus' job, not his since He's not God.
1 Peter 5:7
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Philippians 4:6
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
Later in life Paul let that care go and he got delivered from his affliction (2 Timothy 3:11) and the last record we have of Paul says NO MAN was forbidding him from preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Acts 28:30,31)
Jesus didn't have any sorrow, worry, fear, anxiety so He is a far better example to follow than Paul, especially considering we are told in scripture to imitate the Lord not any man. (see 1 Corinthians 3:4-5, Ephesians 5:1, and Romans 8:29)
A lot of folks have issues with following Jesus, so if you feel you need to follow men instead of the Lord then I suppose this is what you'll continue doing. Good luck with all that.
Jesus is far, far better than Paul. I abide in Christ and the scriptures teach, not in Paul.
Well you follow Paul and I'll follow Jesus and the Lord will reward each of us accordingly.
Those not following Jesus are the slow ones.
Some folks think it's arrogant to do what the Lord instructs in His Word, but that's their problem not mine.
They are ignorant of biblical humility due to having been brainwashed in to following people rather then the Lord
1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Obeying God's Word is humbling one's self under the mighty Hand of God Who is God's Word Jesus Christ.
Thru the Lord's Word we are able to partake in the Lord's divine nation, well some of us are!
Go ahead, try to humble me!
Do you need my address so you can come over and attempt to humble me?
Meh, that's what satan says but I ignore him too!
Sorry fellas, the cult is those who follow Paul.
Christians are the ones following Jesus, that's why it's called Christianity instead of Paulianity since Paul is not The Christ.
We'd love for you to teach us, and to learn from you.
Big Boy Johnson
Well-Known Member
No, we need you to teach us. You're the one who claims to follow Jesus better than Paul followed Jesus. We need to know how you do that, so that we can do it too.
Ok, I do believe aborted babies go to heaven.
The wording though implying the beast world system of that future time is actively the cause of their death
And yes the government of men is compared to beasts through all history
"Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
rebuilder 454
Well-Known Member
QUOTE;The phrase "I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos" refers to a division among early Christians in Corinth, as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 1:12. In this context, Paul addresses the issue of factions within the church, where some followers claimed allegiance to different leaders, including Apollos, highlighting the need for unity in Christ as we should all be following JESUS not men.
1 Corinthians 3:4,5
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
Feel free to be carnal if ya like, I'm going to follow the Lord as God has instructed Christians to follow:
Ephesians 5:1
Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.
Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Jesus Christ is our standard to follow, not Paul or any other man.
At least for those who are mature in the Lord who have their own relationship with Him.
The babes in Christ may need their hand held and their diaper changed!
But you added to the Word of God there as John says we will know those who are anti-christs but never specifically said we would know who THE anti-christ was before he is revealed to the world as the man of sin.
There are many many many anti-christs and a good many of them claim to be Christians which is evident because they don't accept what the Lord teaches in His Word having had their ears tickled by Ear Tickling Ministries
And do you notice he is not THE anti-christ?
And other pastors will do the same if you don't support Trump right now!
No, actually He did not. God's Word does not say "and Jim Smith is THE anti-christ" or whatever the guy's name is going to be
But if you'd like to guess who THE anti-christ is you are welcome to do so.
Just remember, if you guess wrong that makes you a false prophet proving you are not hearing the voice of the Lord.
You are confusing John saying we will know those who are anti-christs with knowing who THE actual anti-christ will be.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 tells us plainly that THE anti-christ has not yet been revealed.
"No, actually He did not. God's Word does not say "and Jim Smith is THE anti-christ" or whatever the guy's name is going to be
But if you'd like to guess who THE anti-christ is you are welcome to do so.
Just remember, if you guess wrong that makes you a false prophet proving you are not hearing the voice of the Lord.
You are confusing John saying we will know those who are anti-christs with knowing who THE actual anti-christ will be.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 tells us plainly that THE anti-christ has not yet been revealed.
Rev 13. We are told who the AC is.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Told who he is.
In black and white.
rebuilder 454
Well-Known Member
QUOTE,The phrase "I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos" refers to a division among early Christians in Corinth, as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 1:12. In this context, Paul addresses the issue of factions within the church, where some followers claimed allegiance to different leaders, including Apollos, highlighting the need for unity in Christ as we should all be following JESUS not men.
1 Corinthians 3:4,5
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
Feel free to be carnal if ya like, I'm going to follow the Lord as God has instructed Christians to follow:
Ephesians 5:1
Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.
Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Jesus Christ is our standard to follow, not Paul or any other man.
At least for those who are mature in the Lord who have their own relationship with Him.
The babes in Christ may need their hand held and their diaper changed!
But you added to the Word of God there as John says we will know those who are anti-christs but never specifically said we would know who THE anti-christ was before he is revealed to the world as the man of sin.
There are many many many anti-christs and a good many of them claim to be Christians which is evident because they don't accept what the Lord teaches in His Word having had their ears tickled by Ear Tickling Ministries
And do you notice he is not THE anti-christ?
And other pastors will do the same if you don't support Trump right now!
No, actually He did not. God's Word does not say "and Jim Smith is THE anti-christ" or whatever the guy's name is going to be
But if you'd like to guess who THE anti-christ is you are welcome to do so.
Just remember, if you guess wrong that makes you a false prophet proving you are not hearing the voice of the Lord.
You are confusing John saying we will know those who are anti-christs with knowing who THE actual anti-christ will be.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 tells us plainly that THE anti-christ has not yet been revealed.
"But you added to the Word of God there as John says we will know those who are anti-christs but never specifically said we would know who THE anti-christ was before he is revealed to the world as the man of sin.
There are many many many anti-christs and a good many of them claim to be Christians which is evident because they don't accept what the Lord teaches in His Word having had their ears tickled by Ear Tickling Ministries"
We are NOT connecting here.
I AM SAYING WHEN HE IS REVEALED....NOT IN POWER YET....he will be around the people he "needs to be" like OBAMA WAS.
ANYONE WITH A SLIVER OF DISCERNMENT will see who he is.
BTW, When I use Obama as a reference or example of WHAT HAPPENED concerning him, you seem to transpose that thought as "oh and you were wrong, Obama was not the AC."
I never said he was. Never thought he was.
I had my eye on him as any bible hound would.
Big Boy Johnson
Well-Known Member
So what's his name??? Does he have a website or social media presence.
Yeah go ahead and give us details of the specific man who is THE anti-christ
The fact of the matter is the man of sin has NOT been revealed yet and all you were talking about were anti-christs and not THE anti-christ. All you did is describe some of the stuff he will do without raveling who THE man of sin actually is.
The fact of the matter is you don't know who THE anti-christ is, if you did you would tell us his name and point to a particular individual who you haven't done since you have no idea who THE anti-christ is.
Nice back peddling.
The anti-chrsit has not been revealed to the world yet as you are no acknowledging
rebuilder 454
Well-Known Member
1) nice backpeddling on not knowing the AC is named.( now you possibly do know we were told WHO HE IS 2000 Yrs ago)
2) yes we all know he is unknown and none of us know who he is.
( inspite of you not being able to read what I have said concerning him.)
You got everything I said wrong.
Wow.
rebuilder 454
Well-Known Member
Quote;
"The fact of the matter is you don't know who THE anti-christ is, if you did you would tell us his name and point to a particular individual who you haven't done since you have no idea who THE anti-christ is."
NEVER said I do.
I SAID HE IS NAMED.
WE ARE TOLD WHO HE IS.
HELLO....that is in the bible.
Psssssst...it is a MYSTERY.
You seem stuck on inverting what I am reporting.
I am REPORTING what is SAID.
IT SAYS WHO HE IS.
Take it up with Jesus and stop trying to reframe something.
It was YOU that Said "he is NOT NAMED."
Do you still belive that????
Big Boy Johnson
Well-Known Member
Where in scripture did the Lord name who this person is?
What's his name?
You confusing the description of how this person would act with the actual identity of the specific person that is THE anti-christ.
This guy has not yet been reveled so nobody know the guy's name to be able to identify the specific person. Wow!
No, it does not identify the name of this person and does not give us his identity
Maybe you should word things differently as to not sound like you are claiming you know the identity of the specific guy who is THE anti-christ Wow!
Spiritual Israelite
Well-Known Member
You are not even trying to see the point. You are acting as if I said I follow Paul instead of Jesus Christ, which I never said and you know it. Why are you being so dishonest? I'm saying that we can emulate Paul in the way he followed Jesus Christ. By doing that, we too will follow Christ in the way we should just as Paul did. We can trust what Paul taught, which was inspired by God, and we can emulate the way he lived his life. He sacrificed himself for the good of others just as Jesus wants us to do. If you want to follow Christ, then you will obey His command to love others as you love yourself. To do that requires being willing to make sacrifices for the good of others, just as Paul did many times.However, he was not perfect like Jesus was and still is.
I'll stick with Jesus.
2 Corinthians 11:28
Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
Paul was not being obedient to 1 Peter 5:7 or Philippians 4:6 and spent time daily in care (sorrow, worry, fear, anxiety, etc) over the churches he had started or helped start and was ministering to which was an open door to the devil to keep attacking Paul (that was his thorn in the flesh)
This was an ongoing open door the devil had to continually attack Paul which he did until later in Paul's life when He finally figured out caring for the Lord's people is Jesus' job, not his since He's not God.
1 Peter 5:7
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Philippians 4:6
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
Later in life Paul let that care go and he got delivered from his affliction (2 Timothy 3:11) and the last record we have of Paul says NO MAN was forbidding him from preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Acts 28:30,31)
Jesus didn't have any sorrow, worry, fear, anxiety so He is a far better example to follow than Paul, especially considering we are told in scripture to imitate the Lord not any man. (see 1 Corinthians 3:4-5, Ephesians 5:1, and Romans 8:29)
A lot of folks have issues with following Jesus, so if you feel you need to follow men instead of the Lord then I suppose this is what you'll continue doing. Good luck with all that.
Jesus is far, far better than Paul. I abide in Christ and the scriptures teach, not in Paul.
Well you follow Paul and I'll follow Jesus and the Lord will reward each of us accordingly.
Those not following Jesus are the slow ones.
Some folks think it's arrogant to do what the Lord instructs in His Word, but that's their problem not mine.
They are ignorant of biblical humility due to having been brainwashed in to following people rather then the Lord
1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Obeying God's Word is humbling one's self under the mighty Hand of God Who is God's Word Jesus Christ.
Thru the Lord's Word we are able to partake in the Lord's divine nation, well some of us are!
Go ahead, try to humble me!
Do you need my address so you can come over and attempt to humble me?
Meh, that's what satan says but I ignore him too!
Sorry fellas, the cult is those who follow Paul.
Christians are the ones following Jesus, that's why it's called Christianity instead of Paulianity since Paul is not The Christ.
rebuilder 454
Well-Known Member
Take it up with Jesus. He is the author. He told us WHO IT IS.
Rev 13
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
None of us can decupher WHO it is.
Inspite of Jesus telling us WHO THE AC IS.
Somehow you transpose it to "Jesus never told us"
...and you keep saying "you don't know who it is"
Uh... yeah....nobody does.
Never said I do, you just can't get off of your reluctance to admit we were told EXACTLY WHO THE AC IS.
See this is the thing. The number of his name is not only a clue, but A "cue".
One way he will be recognized before the world fawns over him, is those walking close to God will see him plain as day.( AHEM...IN THE SPIRIT.)
The other thing is his own declarations.
And yet another is THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME.
Just as the Word of God declares
"....he will be revealed first, then the rapture"
Only those walking with Jesus will know it is the AC.
Before he takes power.
*Revealed
*Then the rapture
Similar threads
