Christ says not
matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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Christ says not
matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
We receive the Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14); not through faith in the apostles and their successors.
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I don't believe in the church that claims Apostolic succession. It is a Satanic fraud - a counterfeit church. No way will I allow a fraudulent church teach me anything.
chapter and verse for that? So that you can make your teaching clearer and more substantiated.
Take a wild trip through the book of Jeremiah to see what the LORD thinks of the queen of heaven.
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The church that claims Apostolic succession and the Chair of Peter teaches that all Protestants are condemned to hell. Also it teaches that not accepting the teaching of Indulgences (paying the church to get loved ones out of purgatory), Purgatory, and the overall authority of the Pope. condemns a person to hell. Read the Council of Trent which was ratified by Vatican II, and it states it all very clearly.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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The point is you have to be taught by the True Church that has the True Gods Holy Spirit. Is that the church that Enoch says it is or Nancy or who? The truth is that while I agree that we should be taught by the True Church, different people are going to say which church is the True Church. So the fact is we all individually must make a decision on what the actual truth of God and his Messiah is and what congregation is teaching it. So the plain truth is as individuals were not all going to agree what Church is the True Church that has the True God Holy Spirit.
Ferris Bueller
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I don't believe any one church is the true church. That's why I quit looking for it. I think you arrive at the complete truth of God through your own journey of discovery and discernment as you read your Bible and fellowship with other believers who also read their Bibles. That way you don't only get the narrow denominational view of the particular church you are attending.
That's just me. Everyone has to make their own decision about where they will go to church, and even if they will go to a formal church service at all. Personally, I came to the conclusion that formal church was a waste of time. I felt I was serving a tradition that I thought God wanted me to tough out but which, honestly, did little to nothing for me spiritually and kept me from being a spiritual blessing to others. Right now I learn more from talking to my brothers and sisters on line.
Ferris Bueller
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I get what you're saying but I would say Jesus is still in charge and has no successor. He is the Chief Shepherd and always will be (1 Peter 5:4). He alone is the Head of the church (Ephesians 4:15-16). The question is, does he always keep a right hand man in this life to direct the affairs of the church? No. He never did. Plurality of elders has always been his modus operandi.
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Ronald Nolette
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where does it say you are free from error cause of the HS
Thousands of Protestant denominations defy that and they all teach contradictory doctrine
No the the HS is only found in the holy church of the apostles in unity and one faith free from error
Only in the church of the apostles
In unity and faith eph 4:5
as opposed to thousands of Protestant denominations all teaching contradictions
No unity of the body or doctrine
explain matt 28:19-20
Christ sends his apostles to teach the nations and says I am with you (the apostles) until the end? The apostles must remain until the end teaching the nations and making disciples by baptism the promise of the father acts 2:38-39
Promise is a sacred oath or sacrament
gal 4:26
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
the condemnation of the false queen of heaven is a verity that there must be a true queen of heaven
Just like condemning false Christ’s proves that there is a true Christ
in the line of kings of david the mother of the king is always queen
Jesus is king of heaven so Mary is queen of heaven
rev 12:1 queen in heaven
Ferris Bueller
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19These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:19
Jn 10:16 apostles be fold
The Ark of Salvation!
The church is founded by Christ and the sacraments are instituted by Christ for the salvation of all men!
The church and Jesus are one: acts 9
The church and the sacraments are necessary for and the means of salvation and the life of grace!
Redemption: Eph 2
Justification: Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 Acts 2:38
Sanctification: Jn 1:16 Jn 10:10 Jn 15:5
Salvation: Matt 24:13 Rom 13:11
The body of Christ:
1 Corinthians 12:27
The one true church:
Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16
The household of faith:
Gal 6:10
The house of God:
1 Tim 3:15
The church of the living God:
1 Tim 3:15
The kingdom of God on earth:
Dan 2:44 Matt 6:33 Matt 16:18 Matt 12:28 Mk 1:15 Jn 3:3-5 Acts 8:12 1 Cor 4:20 Col 4:11 1 Thes 2:12 Rev 1:9 12:10
The new and eternal covenant:
The one fold of Christ:
The new covenant body of Christ church is an ark, the ark of Peter, the ark of Noah was a type, all those outside the ark died, and all those outside the church die spiritually, there is no life outside of Noah’s ark and there is no spiritual life or salvation outside of the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles!
1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
Hope you can swim? Cos outside the ark of salvation all drown!
“These kings” refers to the Roman Empire
The body of Christ the church of Christ conquered the Roman Empire
To the victor go the spoils
Viva Christ the King!
Good verse but He is refering the
one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Christ and His church are one: acts 22:9 why persecute me?
1 Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Any denial of the divinity of Christ: or His incarnation: or the Holy Trinity is antichrist! Or Christ from His Holy Church! Or the unity of Christians with the church, the body of Christ, the new covenant in union with the mediator and in communion with God and the saints!
“Faith alone” denies the Union of the Christian in the church thru the sacraments promised by the Father and instituted by Christ!
Must be taught by the Catholic Church!
Matt 28:19
Heresy is a treason against God!
Intermediary acts 8 & 9
Which apostles, fathers, doctors, missionaries, or saints was ever a “faith alone & Bible alone” puritanical fundamentalist Protestant?
In the person of Christ
2 Corinthians 2:10
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
The nature of the church!
Jesus is one with His church!
Acts 22:9 Saul, Saul why do you persecute me? Saul was persecuting the church!
Seek first the kingdom of God, seek ye first the church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!
Matthew 13:44
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Jesus Christ is the treasure and the field is His Holy church!
The holy church is necessary for salvation!
Ferris Bueller
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'Faith alone' is condemned in the scriptures (James 2:24). Don't confuse that with "righteousness apart from works" (Romans 4:5). They are not the same thing. Don't condemn Protestants just because even most of them don't know the difference but in truth really do defend Romans 4:5, not the dead faith of James 2:24.
I think your fundamental stumbling block is that you do not understand that the church, the body of Christ, is Christ himself, not a denomination of assembled people (yes, your church is a denomination) who perform supposedly accurate and, therefore, acceptable religious ceremonies and rituals.
You get connected to Christ's body when you receive the Spirit in salvation through faith. That's what makes you a part of his body, just like how your spirit inhabits your arms and legs. And so it is with Christ's body. Only those members in which his Spirit is in are connected to and a part of his body. Religious walls and barriers and rituals and ceremonies are not what determines who is an arm or a leg of Christ's body. Faith in Christ does.
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