No authority!

[BreadOfLife]

The Catholic church is one of the farthest from the truth! I used to wonder why God devoted so much NT space to the danger of the works gospel because virtually all churches that I knew of understood the truth about that very, very well. Then I realized there are a billion or so people living in the works gospel on the other side of the fence from us protesters.

Said the guy who is ignorant of ALL things Catholic . . .

No, probably not. But I do give them credit for not pushing the works gospel.

All they did was invent new doctrines and perpetually-splintering sects . . .

It's not just that there are sinful people in the Catholic church. That alone is not the reason why it is not the one and only approved 'church'. It's that the Catholic church is based on the carnal teachings of spiritless, lost leaders.

And if you keep repeating that - it becomes true for you.
PROVING this, however, is quite another kettle of fish . . .

 

[theefaith]

Yes, but not the way Catholics insist it's visible—as an approved religious organization.

Matt 5:14
Ye (the apostles/ the church) are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(There is only one church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!) Jn 10:16

 

[theefaith]

Communion is indeed based on the Passover observance. Many churches turn it into legalistic liturgy. And in the case of the Catholic church, turn it into something worse than that.

All
The Passover is made new by Christ from the beginning of the last supper to His death on the cross

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Matt 5:14
Ye (the apostles/ the church) are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(There is only one church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!) Jn 10:16

good deeds are obvious, and even those that are not obvious cannot remain hidden forever. 1 Timothy 5:25
​

The face of the true church is not a religious organization. The church is seen in the obedience of each member of the spiritual house of God, in our workplaces, our grocery stores, rush hour traffic, our living rooms......anywhere the fruit of the Spirit is on display in obedience to God. When you drive by a Catholic church, you are not seeing the church.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Said the guy who is ignorant of ALL things Catholic . . .

All they did was invent new doctrines and perpetually-splintering sects . . .

And if you keep repeating that - it becomes true for you.
PROVING this, however, is quite another kettle of fish . . .

Catholicism is a works gospel.

 

[theefaith]

good deeds are obvious, and even those that are not obvious cannot remain hidden forever. 1 Timothy 5:25
​

The face of the true church is not a religious organization. The church is seen in the obedience of each member of the spiritual house of God, in our workplaces, our grocery stores, rush hour traffic, our living rooms......anywhere the fruit of the Spirit is on display in obedience to God. When you drive by a Catholic church, you are not seeing the church.

The authority of the apostles continues in the church founded by Christ!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 acts 9 eph 2:20

What power does Christ have?
What authority does Christ have?
What mission does Christ have?
The apostles have the same! Jn 20:21

Basis of apostolic authority:

Keys of the kingdom of heaven! Matt 16:18 And authority to bind and loose! Matt 18:18

Moral authority: Matt 28:19
(Teaching)
Necessity of the nations being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors.

Jurisdictional authority: Matt 16:18
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority: Matt 28:19
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying the nations thru the mass and Sacraments

 

[marks]

Fine. You go with that. Matthias was chosen to fill the empty chair (throne) previously held by Judas. I'll go with that.

According to the Word written,

Acts 1:20-26 YLT
20) for it hath been written in the book of Psalms: Let his lodging-place become desolate, and let no one be dwelling in it, and his oversight let another take.
21) 'It behoveth, therefore, of the men who did go with us during all the time in which the Lord Jesus went in and went out among us,
22) beginning from the baptism of John, unto the day in which he was received up from us, one of these to become with us a witness of his rising again.'
23) And they set two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias,
24) and having prayed, they said, 'Thou, Lord, who art knowing the heart of all, shew which one thou didst choose of these two
25) to receive the share of this ministration and apostleship, from which Judas, by transgression, did fall, to go on to his proper place;'
26) and they gave their lots, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

The primary reason given here is the be a witness of Jesus' resurrection.

The requirement therefore was that the one chosen to have been with them from Jesus' baptism all the way up to His ascension.

Having chosen Judas' replacement according to THAT criteria, this person would also share in the ministry and apostleship. And that will include sitting on that 12th throne.

12 thrones. Not more, only 12. There is no "succession" that goes on and on. The Apostles didn't choose the successor to Judas, and there is no teaching of succession for any of them otherwise. There were to be 12 Apostles who were witnesses of Jesus' resurrection, who had been present for everything from His baptism to His ascent into heaven.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It's not a point of view, but a historical fact. The unanimous consent of the Early Church Fathers doesn't fit your preconceptions, so you downplay their importance, or ignore them all together. That's dishonest.

More ad hominem. Great!

Early Church Fathers, that's a total misnomer. It's an human convention to call them that. And it leads to erroneous conclusions.

There isn't a "father" of the church. That doesn't exist except in men's minds. God is our Father, having begotten us.

What the Bible tells us is that Jesus is our foundation, and we are built upon the Apostles, the 12 + Paul.

There are early church commentators. I've read enough to see they don't agree with each other pretty much like commentators today. And some of them really get off into the weeds on things. They couldn't seem to separate old and new covenants, again, a lot like today.

So again, I'll support going to Scripture itself for my teaching, and use that for my standard. And whether someone wrote 2000 years ago, or 2 hours ago, if what they say doesn't agree with the Bible, I'm going with the Bible.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Uhhhh, No.

Didn't you READ my post?? I laid out a Scriptural argument. I ended it with this challenge.
Thank you for illustrating that you couldn't find me an example, though . . .

Oy . . .

Perhaps, a secular, historical example might help you to understand what an "office" is - and WHY it is important to START with an original adherent.
When the United States was formed - do YOU think that George Washington was a good choice - or should they have picked somebody who lived in a cave in the mountains who wasn't there in the fight for Independence?

Were ALL of the succeeding Presidents there with Washington fighting the British?
Does that diminish their office, responsibiolities or authority??

Get it now??
They HAD to start with an original follower like Matthias - and NOT some guy who just recently heard about Christ.

Perhaps you might read this ^ post as if it were written to you. I'm thinking after this it's time for a break.

Regardless of American history, the Bible tells us why there were these qualifications for Judas' replacement. That he would testify to Jesus' resurrection, having been there throughout. To be a witness, that is, testify, you had to have seen it.

You appeal to human reason . . . "Name one office that is not successive", who cares? What does the Bible say?

The office of Apostle is not successive. Jesus chose the 12. Jesus chose Paul. Jesus gives to the church apostles, and prophets, and evangelists, and shepherd/teachers.

A man may appoint a teacher, a missionary, an evangelist, but let's not confuse that with replacing Judas with Matthias, so that they would have 12 witnesses to Jesus' resurrection.

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

According to the Word written,

Acts 1:20-26 YLT
20) for it hath been written in the book of Psalms: Let his lodging-place become desolate, and let no one be dwelling in it, and his oversight let another take.
21) 'It behoveth, therefore, of the men who did go with us during all the time in which the Lord Jesus went in and went out among us,
22) beginning from the baptism of John, unto the day in which he was received up from us, one of these to become with us a witness of his rising again.'
23) And they set two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias,
24) and having prayed, they said, 'Thou, Lord, who art knowing the heart of all, shew which one thou didst choose of these two
25) to receive the share of this ministration and apostleship, from which Judas, by transgression, did fall, to go on to his proper place;'
26) and they gave their lots, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

The primary reason given here is the be a witness of Jesus' resurrection.

The requirement therefore was that the one chosen to have been with them from Jesus' baptism all the way up to His ascension.

Having chosen Judas' replacement according to THAT criteria, this person would also share in the ministry and apostleship. And that will include sitting on that 12th throne.

12 thrones. Not more, only 12. There is no "succession" that goes on and on. The Apostles didn't choose the successor to Judas, and there is no teaching of succession for any of them otherwise. There were to be 12 Apostles who were witnesses of Jesus' resurrection, who had been present for everything from His baptism to His ascent into heaven.

Much love!

matt 28:19-20 christ remains with the apostles to the end
The bishops are the successors of the apostles

 

[theefaith]

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments




Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


Successors of Jesus Christ!

Jesus already prepares His apostles to continue His mission with His power (binding and loosing) and with His authority (keys) matt 16:18 matt 18:18

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 when therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John...
Jn 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples

Here we see Jesus delegating to His successors, Peter and the apostles!

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing

There can be no unity of the spirit without obedience to the faith! Rom 1:5 eph 4:3

Matt 28 I am with you (the apostles)

The papacy based on Matt 16:18 and Isa 22:21-22

Matt 16:18-19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Isa 22:21-22
21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19

(None of the so called reformers were apostles) (no man has authority to start a church)


Successors of Moses!

Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?

The successors of Moses sit in the chair of Moses having the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Matt 23 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed! Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18
The successors of Peter and the apostles have a valid jurisdictional authority (keys) and power (bind and loose) by Jesus Christ!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


apostolic succession!

explicit and implicit in scripture

Judas was an apostle
Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Matthias succeeded him as apostle

acts 1: 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

now if it applies to judas how much more to Peter and the other apostles

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is with His church and His apostles until the end! So the apostles must remain until the end governing the church administering the kingdom

Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:

Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

 

[theefaith]

Christ founded the church on Peter!
Matt 16:18

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

You CANNOT give the keys (authority) to a confession but to a person! Peter
Vs 19 unto thee (Peter) thou shalt bind (Peter) thou shalt loose (Peter)

Only the one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors and those members of Christ by faith and baptism United with them, the communion of the saints
Jn 16:10 matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23
Jn 10:16

Ephesians 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The office of apostle that has the three fold office, to teach: to govern the church: and to sanctify by the sacraments or sacred oaths (promises) of the father! Acts 2:38-39 with ez 36:25-27 Heb 8:6

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

 

[theefaith]

All the successors are represented in the 12

 

[Illuminator]

More ad hominem. Great!

Early Church Fathers, that's a total misnomer. It's an human convention to call them that. And it leads to erroneous conclusions.

Then name the erroneous conclusions of unanimous consent. It can't be done. You assert what you can't prove.

There isn't a "father" of the church. That doesn't exist except in men's minds. God is our Father, having begotten us.

Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.”

What the Bible tells us is that Jesus is our foundation, and we are built upon the Apostles, the 12 + Paul.

There are early church commentators. I've read enough to see they don't agree with each other pretty much like commentators today. And some of them really get off into the weeds on things. They couldn't seem to separate old and new covenants, again, a lot like today.

But you refuse to name or quote the ECF who "couldn't seem to separate old and new covenants". I'm talking about unanimous consent which you avoid like the covid virus. I am not talking about the bits and pieces you guys like to take out of context.

So again, I'll support going to Scripture itself for my teaching, and use that for my standard. And whether someone wrote 2000 years ago, or 2 hours ago, if what they say doesn't agree with the Bible, I'm going with the Bible.

Much love![/QUOTE]
The Bible contains sufficient enough indication of apostolic succession (though probably not “explicit” enough by unbiblical sola Scriptura standards to convince most Protestants: what else is new?).

St. Paul appears to be passing his office along to Timothy (1 Tim 6:20; 2 Tim 1:6, 13-14, 2:1-2, 4:1-6). See, for example:

2 Timothy 2:1-2

There are many indirect indications. When Jesus gives His disciples charge to do certain things, it is seen, by and large, by Protestants, as commands to their successors as well (perhaps not always apostolic succession per se, but at least succession as believers in Christ). So, for example, when Jesus tells His disciples to preach the gospel or to baptize, virtually all Christians today think that this applies to all Christians in perpetuity. Yet when Jesus tells the same disciples to “bind and loose” (Matt 18:18; John 20:23; also to St. Peter individually in Matt 16:19), somehow that is not seen as a thing that is perpetually relevant through history, and is relegated to their time only.

This makes no sense. For one to take such a position, they have to establish a solid reason why they regard one instance as perpetual and the other as temporary. I contend that it can’t be done; that any such criterion would be completely arbitrary. Often, sadly, it comes down to merely a contra-Catholic mentality and rationale: “Catholics believe thus-and-so, and so we must oppose it, no matter what the Bible may state on the subject.”

The “send” motif in Scripture is right to the point:

Luke 9:1-2

John 17:18

John 20:21

Luke 10:1-3

The latter passages appears to imply that there are many others involved besides just the 70 (which is already an expansion upon the original twelve). This implies succession and perpetuity.

Acts 1:8

This is interesting in its implications. Who was Jesus talking to here? The earlier part of the chapter refers to “the apostles whom he had chosen. To them he presented himself alive after his passion by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days, and speaking of the kingdom of God” (1:2-3). He then encourages them to wait to receive the power of the Holy Spirit (1:4-5, 8). It’s unclear how many people saw Jesus ascend to heaven (1:9-11).
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The text then talks about the early Christians fellowshipping together; including “women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers” (1:12-14). In the next verse the “brethren” are said to be “about a hundred and twenty” (1:15). Later in the chapter we see explicit proof of apostolic succession (as discussed in my linked paper above): Judas was replaced by Matthias (1:17-26), and an OT passage is cited: “His office let another take” (1:20).
But getting back to the “send” motif: Jesus “sends” His disciples and they in turn “send” others by means of the established practice of ordaining and calling men to ministry through the Church (by the laying on of hands). So, for example:
Acts 13:1-4

Acts 15:22, 25

Romans 10:15

1 Timothy 4:14-16

1 Timothy 5:22

2 Timothy 1:6

Disciples and their successors (priests and bishops) are direct representatives of Jesus:

Matthew 10:40

Luke 10:16

John 13:20

2 Corinthians 5:20

 

[Illuminator]

the fathers as a whole were much more “Catholic” in their beliefs than they were some kind of primitive “Protestants”, and this is amply confirmed by Protestant Church historians themselves. listed here:
Church Fathers: Closer to Protestantism Than to Catholicism?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

then your changing scripture!

new flash! RN says this verse now reads

For by works are ye saved through faith; and that is of yourselves: it is not the gift of God:

YOu lie badly!

I know that other than receiving what God offers, there is nothing I can do to obtain, maintain, or keep my salvation. It is all; of God and nothing of me! For you to say other is to intentionally lie.

 

[amigo de christo]

what is?

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9:4 why persecute me?

YEah and they were not ROME , they were not the RCC .
If paul , peter , james , jude , stephen , john and scores of others were alive today
THEY would be hollering with all urgency , GET OUTTA OF THE RCC , SHE IS A WHORE and DEADLY .
When i continually holler read those bibles , WHO WROTE THE LETTERS in those bibles . PETER DID , paul did , james did , jude did
JOHN Did . AND yalls church , while it claims its built on them , OMITS THEIR DOCTRINE .
Yeah . ponder on that one for a while . I Know the canon was inspired by GOD
And yet i never saw mary exalted in it , AS yalls leaders have done .
There is a huge difference between saying the canon is inspired by GOD , and yet we aint following it . GO YE AND LEARN THAT .

 

[marks]

Then name the erroneous conclusions of unanimous consent.

I'm not really sure what you are asking me here.

Me: There isn't a "father" of the church. That doesn't exist except in men's minds. God is our Father, having begotten us.

You: Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.”

Act 7:1 And the chief priest said, 'Are then these things so?'
Act 7:2 and he said, 'Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken: The God of the glory did appear to our father Abraham, being in Mesopotamia, before his dwelling in Haran,

Acts 22:1-2 YLT
1) 'Men, brethren, and fathers, hear my defence now unto you;' —
2) and they having heard that in the Hebrew dialect he was speaking to them, gave the more silence, and he saith, —

Where is it you see the designation of "fathers" being applied to the elders? Men, brothers, fathers. No mention of elders.

1 John 2:11-14 YLT
11) and he who is hating his brother, in the darkness he is, and in the darkness he doth walk, and he hath not known whither he doth go, because the darkness did blind his eyes.
12) I write to you, little children, because the sins have been forgiven you through his name;
13) I write to you, fathers, because ye have known him who is from the beginning; I write to you, young men, because ye have overcome the evil. I write to you, little youths, because ye have known the Father:
14) I did write to you, fathers, because ye have known him who is from the beginning; I did write to you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God in you doth remain, and ye have overcome the evil.

Children, young men, fathers, but this passage says nothing about elders, so to assume that these fathers are not the fathers of the young men and children, and instead are elders of the church, this passage, like the others, does not support that, without this assumption.

But you refuse to name or quote the ECF who "couldn't seem to separate old and new covenants". I'm talking about unanimous consent which you avoid like the covid virus. I am not talking about the bits and pieces you guys like to take out of context.

All those who insist the OT priesthood be imported into the NT church, for instance. I'm not really interested in discussing extrabiblical sources with someone who isn't all that polite with me just discussing the Bible, and who has been showing a pattern of adding thoughts into Biblical passages, such, "I write to you, fathers, I write to you, young men, I write to you, children . . .", and these are somehow "fathers of the church". Or that chosen to be a witness morphs into chosen to show an ongoing succession of Apostolic Authority.

It's difficult enough just staying with Scritpure.

Prove to me that the early church unanimously agreed. We can go round that all day too. I'd rather spend the time with the Bible itself.

The Bible contains sufficient enough indication of apostolic succession (though probably not “explicit” enough by unbiblical sola Scriptura standards to convince most Protestants: what else is new?).

This sounds like you recognize this isn't actually taught in the Bible.

I don't think you can really point to a single instance of an actual 'Apostolic Succession' in the Bible, aside from Jesus and His Apostles. But none other.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

and in this corner Jesus Christ “truth itself” who says quote
matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Yeah and what does that have to do with the false doctrine of Apostolic Succession.

If Rome thought Apostolic succession were even remotely true, then why don't they reopen the Canon of Scripture to allow for the writings of all those other alleged apostles to be included?

 

[marks]

St. Paul appears to be passing his office along to Timothy (1 Tim 6:20; 2 Tim 1:6, 13-14, 2:1-2, 4:1-6). See, for example:

2 Timothy 2:1-2

You seem to prefer to only post the reference, but not the passage itself. I find that just posting the passage tends to address the argument.

So, is this example an example of Apostolic Succession?

2 Timothy 2:1-2 KJV
1) Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2) And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

Pass along what you've heard from me to others, so they can teach still others. If we limit our conclusions to what is actually stated, that's it.

Much love!