I have 2 "quiet rooms", one is labeled "Ignore", for spot application, and for overall application, "Log Out".
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Nancy
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I have 2 "quiet rooms", one is labeled "Ignore", for spot application, and for overall application, "Log Out".
Eternally Grateful
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It would be so nice if we could just set aside our beliefs and just open our eyes to what others are saying. Instead of being offended they have the nerve to say something we do not agree with.
sadly I have been in forums where catholics are banned if they try to push their doctrines and I was invited to a catholic forum where I said I believed the gates of hell was not an offensive weapon used by Satan to destroy the church but a defensive weapon used by him to keep the church from rescuing people from his grasp And freeing them, and was immediately banned as an anti catholic
even in here, there are people from all sides who are offended and come out screaming and attacking anyone who disagrees with them, you have your defenders of the Catholic Church, the Protestant church, the calvinists the Baptist’s etc etc who cannot year what others are saying because they are on the defense mode, and this is sad.
I agree with @Heart2Soul it would be nice (I was not fast enough to post on that thread) but sadly, after visiting chatrooms for many years, I do not see it happening unless the mods really crack down.
but then who do they punish, the angry catholic or calvinist who feels attacked, or the person who is disagreeing with them and trying to explain why he believes the way he does. And then
gets out of hand because he feels no one is listening to him and he is continually attacked? So he starts attacking back
sadly I have been in forums where catholics are banned if they try to push their doctrines and I was invited to a catholic forum where I said I believed the gates of hell was not an offensive weapon used by Satan to destroy the church but a defensive weapon used by him to keep the church from rescuing people from his grasp And freeing them, and was immediately banned as an anti catholic
even in here, there are people from all sides who are offended and come out screaming and attacking anyone who disagrees with them, you have your defenders of the Catholic Church, the Protestant church, the calvinists the Baptist’s etc etc who cannot year what others are saying because they are on the defense mode, and this is sad.
I agree with @Heart2Soul it would be nice (I was not fast enough to post on that thread) but sadly, after visiting chatrooms for many years, I do not see it happening unless the mods really crack down.
but then who do they punish, the angry catholic or calvinist who feels attacked, or the person who is disagreeing with them and trying to explain why he believes the way he does. And then
gets out of hand because he feels no one is listening to him and he is continually attacked? So he starts attacking back
Nancy
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Ah, what to do, what to do...maybe some whole threads should come down if it gets real ugly...and as you know, they can!
And that seems to be the problem indeed.... According to your first paragraph... that would mean the Catholics are NOT in UNION with other Christian denominations on the basis of believing they are the ONE true Church.
Then you have Christians who believe God elected His chosen... and that some are created for damnation. ( Calvinism )
Then you have those who believe you can lose your salvation. ( Legalism )
These are no small potatoes... These are wedge causing beliefs... How can we be in union with someone who believes absolutely the opposite of what we do.... IS simply believing in Christ as our Saviour the ONLY essential of being a Christian?
I am just as guilty as the next person for not contributing to the cause of UNITY... I do not believe it exists .. except in small pockets of like-minded believers. I have looked for this unity that I absolutely thought would come naturally when I became a Christian... and twenty years later... I still have not found it.
I am of the belief that the LABELS people stand by and accept are a large part of the problem... and the fact that people's definition on how to love others seems to vary greatly.
If a Catholic... a Lutheran... a Non-denominational ... and a Pentecostal all went to a soup kitchen to feed the poor... they would all have a glorious time doing the WORK of CHRIST together.
We know from history that the bishop of Rome sought to be supreme among all the others because of his ambition. Thus began the divisions, which then led to the Reformation and its aftermath.
"...After the council [of Chalcedon], the Roman bishop, Leo, himself protested in three letters of the 22d May, 452; the first of which was addressed to the emperor Marcian, the second to the empress Pulcheria, the third to Anatolius, patriarch of Constantinople.515
He expressed his satisfaction with the doctrinal results of the council, but declared the elevation of the bishop of Constantinople to the patriarchal dignity to be a work of pride and ambition—the humble, modest pope!—to be an attack upon the rights of other Eastern metropolitans—the invader of the same rights in Gaul!—especially upon the rights of the Roman see guaranteed by the council of Nice—on the authority of a Roman interpolation—and to be destructive of the peace of the church—which the popes have always sacredly kept!
He would hear nothing of political considerations as the source of the authority of his chair, but pointed rather to Divine institution and the primacy of Peter. Leo speaks here with great reverence of the first ecumenical council, under the false impression that that council in its sixth canon acknowledged the primacy of Rome; but with singular indifference of the second ecumenical council, on account of its third canon, which was confirmed at Chalcedon.
He charges Anatolius with using for his own ambition a council, which had been called simply for the extermination of heresy and the establishment of the faith. But the canons of the Nicene council, inspired by the Holy Ghost, could be superseded by no synod, however great; and all that came in conflict with them was void. He exhorted Anatolius to give up his ambition, and reminded him of the words: Tene quod habes, ne alius accipiat coronam tuam.516
But this protest could not change the decree of the council nor the position of the Greek church in the matter, although, under the influence of the emperor, Anatolius wrote an humble letter to Leo. The bishops of Constantinople asserted their rank, and were sustained by the Byzantine emperors. The twenty-eighth canon of the Chalcedonian council was expressly confirmed by Justinian I., in the 131st Novelle (c. 1), and solemnly renewed by the Trullan council (can. 36), but was omitted in the Latin collections of canons by Prisca, Dionysius, Exiguus, and Isidore.
The loud contradiction of Rome gradually died away; yet she has never formally acknowledged this canon, except during the Latin empire and the Latin patriarchate at Constantinople, when the fourth Lateran council, under Innocent III., in 1215, conceded that the patriarch of Constantinople should hold the next rank after the patriarch of Rome, before those of Alexandria and Antioch.517"
Quoted from the History of the Church by Philip Schaff.
Eternally Grateful
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Sometimes I think it is like a rock and a hard place
the Mary thread was shut down. Which was sad I Never got to answer a few questions.. only because of heat, it’s to bad you can not ban people from threads..lol
Eternally Grateful
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The way I look at it, there is one gospel which saves.not 2 not 3 not 30,000
thinks which are non salvic, like age of earth when will the tribulation happens or has it already happened, speaking in tongues, etc etc. if we cannot agree to disagree there, our pride needs put in check. There is instances in the NT where paul takes two groups and tells them not to judge one another, or to offend one another, I think that fits
Eternally Grateful
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I believe it goes back further than Rome...
For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part, for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.
(1Co 11:18-19)
1 Corinthians 1:11-13 (KJV) For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Eternally Grateful
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Yep, it goes back even further. The saducees and pharisees are a prime Example of division in the jewish church. It’s satans modus operendi
And what does James say? That is true religion!
I think the answer to this is that we bond to each other on the part we all agree on, that we've put our trust in Jesus, and testify of a new life. Then we find our fellowship in those places the Bible teaches us, koinonia,
2 Corinthians 8:4 Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.
Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Philippians 1:5 For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;
Philippians 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
1 Corinthias 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
The fellowship of serving the saints.
The fellowship of the mystery, that God reveals His wisdom through the church.
The fellowship of the Gospel itself.
The fellowship of the Spirit.
The fellowship of Jesus' sufferings.
The fellowship of the blood of Christ.
There is no, "fellowship of eschatology", for instance. These are all the fellowship of being brought into God, and serving others. Of sharing the sufferings of Christ. A fellowship found in taking up our cross.
Much love!
Nancy
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"it’s to bad you can not ban people from threads..."
Hahaha...this has crossed my mind! Seems it would be easier than shutting down a whole thread, lol.
Two points...
Our knowledge is limited...
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; (1Co 13:9)
but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. (1Co 13:10)
When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. (1Co 13:11)
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. (1Co 13:12)
Only through a pursuit and practice of the Truth can we even begin to approach 'Unity'.
"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. (Joh 17:17)
"As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. (Joh 17:18)
"For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. (Joh 17:19)
"I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; (Joh 17:20)
that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. (Joh 17:21)
Our knowledge is limited...
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; (1Co 13:9)
but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. (1Co 13:10)
When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. (1Co 13:11)
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. (1Co 13:12)
Only through a pursuit and practice of the Truth can we even begin to approach 'Unity'.
"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. (Joh 17:17)
"As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. (Joh 17:18)
"For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. (Joh 17:19)
"I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; (Joh 17:20)
that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. (Joh 17:21)
Yes, even the Israelites had their (literal) battles between themselves, not to mention Cain against Abel.
Tried that once, created a topic " for those who love Christ". Didnt go down to well, whoda thought, but it showed where mens hearts are.
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