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  1. historyb

    historyb Well-Known Member

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    Warning: This is a debate area any name calling or fighting will be reported.

    @Heart2Soul posted this in a closed thread:

    It is a wonderful sentiment. I don't think this could ever happen though because no one believes the same things and we can't really act like we do and the beliefs are not just non essential beliefs like the Holy Eucharist most Traditional Christian believe in the Real Presence and others. I would love to unite but can not act as if we all believe the same thing.

    That does not mean we can't learn about each others belief and discuss them in a civil way, even I am guilty of this. We shouldn't poo poo on others Christians belief but can politely disagree with them. I wonder can we even be that polite to each other where we stop arguing, calling names? We do all have one thing in common we are suppose to be Believers, can we put that into practice? Can I, can you?
     
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    @historyb A long time ago when this forum was still only an idea in the originator's mind, he should have decided to not allow anyone to ask or to tell what their specific denomination, church or religion was by stating a name, such as Catholic, Southern Baptist, Jewish, Christadelphian, SDA, JW , LDS or any of a multitude of others. Of course some people being knowledgeable about certain things about groups might know or guess, but the rules would deny them the right to disclose it about anyone.

    Of course, we know it did not happen that way and if it had it would not have worked to bring us to unity in God. Some people, I believe, do not want be in unity with God. Few, if any would admit that, even they they knew it.
     
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    historyb Well-Known Member

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    I think that would have been a very bad idea and I am glad the Owner never did such a thing. What the owner could have done better is setup a no fighting, name calling rule and enforced it which when I first came here it never was. In fact when I first came here it was like the wild west, no mod in sight. I wish like at CF our faith type was under our name like or country, likes received, and messages are. We can't pretend unity when there isn't none, that would be lying. My thoughts away.

    On edit:

    When I was at CF I looked at what faith group I was talking to and I knew what sections to go to because they had safe havens that all Christian faith groups could hang out in without fear of hearing we were wrong and pagan. I wish they had that here.
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    I cannot disagree with you. God set up a perfect place back in Eden for men and we see the results to day even though He sent Jesus to allow men to come to Life again.

    That is the way of men and they have not changed for the most part. There are exceptions, those who really choose God and His son, but that is a "strait and narrow way". Most people walk right through that "wide way" that leads to destruction.

    There will be some 'unity' in God here, but moderators cannot make it happen. They are people too. I was a moderator on a forum once and I understand too well the difficulty of doing the job right... especially if the owner's way is not exactly equal to God's Way.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Not likely. At the same time there is a core of Christian beliefs which must be accepted by all in order to be called "Christians". As to people talking about the proliferation of denominations, there are less than two dozen (and there is no point belaboring the sub-groups).

    The divisions arose when the church of Rome decided that the bishop of Rome has supremacy over all other bishops and churches. This is the historical fact. And now it is too late to go back.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Well the Bible says that He has given us gifts of the Holy Spirit for the perfecting of the saints UNTIL we are all come together in the UNITY of faith....as it was on the day of Pentecost.
     
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    I don’t think that denominations are intensively bad.

    I do believe that we should acknowledge and celebrate the relationship each person has with Christ, regardless of the label on the pew.
     
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    Yes the necessary gifts have been given but when people quench the Holy Spirit of God they prevent or slow the coming of the unity. Oh, it will come but some who speak of being a part of it may well miss the boat because they follow their own head instead of the Head. Help us dear Lord!
     
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    It would seem to me that most do not deliberately offend. That all would not. Those who seem the most offended, according to the Holy Spirit unity, are the ones the Holy Spirit has to change the most. It is not the messenger. It is the message that is offensive. One who has the Holy Spirit should not be offended by the truth or a false hood. If a false teaching is attacked to the point the person is bullied, then the one doing the attacking, more than likely, are just defending a wrong teaching themselves. If a wolf comes in and starts claiming they are just being offended all the time, they will never add any insight. They just play games. I think there are sections for fun and joking and games.
     
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    Once I counted and came away with nine, but I can't remember how I did that. :)

    That is an oversimplification, there were other things that played a part down through time.

    Indeed there are but it would be equally as nice to have sections for different faiths, somewhere we could go to get away from the arguments and be with people that share similar beliefs.
     
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    As I see it the main problem is that we major on minors like eucharist. I am and have studied the NTC church in-depth and not once has the word eucharist been mentioned.

    The reason why the NTC grew so quickly was they only preached one thing. Jesus Christ the risen Lord and Saviour. He is the way, the truth, and the life. Salvation comes through faith in him.

    Just imagine bumping into a new member of the Way as they were known. Every time you did they said the same thing. Jesus IS the Messiah. He did rise from the dead. He can save you from sin and set you free.

    If you heard that a few times a week or day you would have to ask yourself what it was all about.

    No one mentioned the eucharist, speaking in tongues, name it and claim it, a millennial, and so on and no statement of faith as to what we believe. Their statement of faith was how they lived and loved.

    If you believe that Jesus is the messiah come with us and we will baptize you in water into the family of God. Plain and simple.

    No one says that Jesus Christ is Lord except by the Spirit of God. Proof positive of the intentions of the people who want to get on board.

    And I noticed that people met together each evening for a meal as members of the body of Christ. No communion, just the communion of the saints.

    From time to time, the miracle of healing happened. Who needed a doctor?

    Let us get back to basics and proclaim the central truth and let the Holy Spirit do what he does best. That of conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment.
     
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    Well... I seem to be the baby of the bunch... as I just joined this site a few days ago... and I have already gotten my paw in a few hot soups... lol
    I left a forum because I just could not tolerate the arrogance of a slim few... I guess pride ( that arrogant/know it all spirit ) is the bee in my bonnet... or the gnat in my fur... Anyways... I have been searching for this UNITY... this CHRISTIAN UNITY that I have honestly believed should and would occur naturally as simply being a CHRISTIAN... Sadly... I have come to believe that this is a myth... It seems as though we do not know or understand how to be UNITED... there is only ONE JESUS and oh my goodness... Good luck defining Christianity. It took me twenty years to be convinced that I could NOT lose my salvation... Today... I guard my heart and my TRUTH...
     
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    All I can add is,

    1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
    1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
    1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

    Guess why there is conflict, because men are divided by there "titles", religion. We are supposed to be united in Christ, but so as long as men follow after religion and men, that will never happen.

    A friend of my asked me to agree with her, I said no, we need to agree with Christ, when we both agree with Him we will all be in agreement, but you see little of that here. Religion will never allow that.
     
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    ~The Didache~

    They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread and to the prayers.

    marksman,
    Are you suggesting that, contrary to 2000 years of the understanding of the Church, breaking of bread here refers not to the Eucharist but to filling their bellies?

    Peace!
     
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    Until men are crucified...dead to themselves and their own ideas...there will be divisions in the body. In Christ...all are united. The hard part is entering into Christ. We must sell all and forsake all to buy the field...the kingdom realm. Until then the church will be carnal...not spiritual...in the power they rely on. The flesh defends itself...gives itself a name and looks to promote that before other flesh. We see that in nature. The survival of the fittest...looking for support with money and followers and infrastructure ...to the point where the point of the gospel is completely lost. So denominationalism is a Babylon of religious aspirations. Nothing to glory in. And none of this even approaches life in the Spirit. Church takes on a life of it's own...as a human corporation.

    So it is normal that people will disagree on things based on a lack of experience of spiritual things...or else a lack of experiencing more than what one has already experienced.

    We see the same type of development in children. And that is the issue....a lack of growing up...a very great shortage of any kind of maturity...or seeing behind the curtain. People gain a following by being against something that others are doing. So we end up building up that which divides us. And people tend to look to other men...and the world...for cue and recognition.

    But who is relying ONLY on the Lord in ALL things? Compared with that all other considerations are just vanities.
     
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    Yes...a "quiet room"...I think it is a good idea if not just for some peace when things get too hot on here. The temptation to add our own view on some of the threads is strong...if there were a place to gather and discuss our "denominations", we could go there.
    Seems that it would be a huge project for those who run this board though.
     
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    Some forums let you start threads with certain posters. Then all congregate in private. This is an open forum. If all separated, it would not be open any more. Some humans have a tendency to talk about others in private. If most conversations were in private groups, it may lead to more distrust and less peace and unity. Unfortunately the more liberties people are given, without self control, the less freedom all have.
     
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    You do bring up good points. I can see the downside of it too. One day we'll all be in full unity. :)
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    If we are all basing our sense of unity on our perceived spiritual experiences, that unity will be non-existant. If someone thinks that they have had some experience that sets them apart from others this too works directly against unity. Or that they think sets them over others.

    We come to a real unity in the faith and knowledge of Christ. Something all have access to. But only to the degree that we will submit ourselves to God including submitting ourselves to His Word, the Bible.

    We have to find our unity in Christ and not in ourselves, as we are all very different. But by the Spirit within us we are one. We should start living that way!

    Amen!!

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    We can start private threads with up to 5 other people. Whether we will be fleshy or spiritual, well, If I'm the problem on an open thread, I'll still be the problem on a private thread, right?

    But if we are all well behaved, it can be a good way to discuss things "in-house", I think.

    Much love!
     
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