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Yes Jesus Christ the word of God sharper than a two edged sword divides men as you can see, Mention Him and christians run But men will not go to Him so wiil remain divided by there theology, there understandning, there religions there doctrines, But God new men would remain carnal denying Christ and Gods power as they always have. And In case you havnt notcied the disciples had no bilble after Christs resurection, they heard from God Paul the best example yet no one wants the Truth. Do it your way most christans do,
That sir, (Acts 17:11)is the way to check for deception....
And yet division remains and by the bile many are deceived. But i will leave it at that. division will never go away ti all men come to Christ.

[MKJV] John 14:17
the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He dwells with you and shall be in you.

That is how we know the truth.
 

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You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, and then, with the whole assembly of Israel present, it shall be slaughtered during the evening twilight.
Are you not aware that Christ our Passover was sacrificed for us on the 14th day of Nisan, in the year 30 AD? Now "there remaineth NO MORE SACRIFICE for sins". The Lord's Supper is strictly a Remembrance Feast. See 1 Corinthians 11.
 

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The Eucharist is not a minor. The Trinity is not mentioned either and Christians believe it. Just as the Trinity is the name for God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit so the Holy Eucharist is the name for what Christ did in the upper room and the Apostles continued to do and St. Paul talked about. The exact name doesn't have to be in the Bible to get used by Christians.
Just one small point. It is never mentioned in a book I am reading that details the life of the NTC and nowhere does it say that the church met for communion.
 

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~The Didache~



They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread and to the prayers.

marksman,
Are you suggesting that, contrary to 2000 years of the understanding of the Church, breaking of bread here refers not to the Eucharist but to filling their bellies?

Peace!
Having done a thorough and extensive study of this subject the evidence is clear. Breaking of Bread means come and have a meal with us.
 

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Warning: This is a debate area any name calling or fighting will be reported.

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It is a wonderful sentiment. I don't think this could ever happen though because no one believes the same things and we can't really act like we do and the beliefs are not just non essential beliefs like the Holy Eucharist most Traditional Christian believe in the Real Presence and others. I would love to unite but can not act as if we all believe the same thing.

That does not mean we can't learn about each others belief and discuss them in a civil way, even I am guilty of this. We shouldn't poo poo on others Christians belief but can politely disagree with them. I wonder can we even be that polite to each other where we stop arguing, calling names? We do all have one thing in common we are suppose to be Believers, can we put that into practice? Can I, can you?


Now see I can get behind someone who says we should disagree in a civil way. I know I let others anger me sometimes, certainly more than I should, but I can get behind a statement when someone says we shouldn't poo poo on others simply because we disagree. We should politely disagree when we do disagree. After all, the other person is exercising his and her right to express what they believe the scriptures are saying to him/her. If we disagree we should not only politely disagree but politely explain why.
 
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Are you not aware that Christ our Passover was sacrificed for us on the 14th day of Nisan, in the year 30 AD? Now "there remaineth NO MORE SACRIFICE for sins". The Lord's Supper is strictly a Remembrance Feast. See 1 Corinthians 11.

The main purpose of 1 Corinsthians 11 was to show them that their conduct at the common meal was found wanting and what they should do about it.
 

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Are you not aware that Christ our Passover was sacrificed for us on the 14th day of Nisan, in the year 30 AD? Now "there remaineth NO MORE SACRIFICE for sins". The Lord's Supper is strictly a Remembrance Feast. See 1 Corinthians 11.
Actually there was no such thing as the Lord's Supper. That was invented by Roman Catholicism and copied by the protestant church at the reformation.

I am atm reading a book of 600 pages detailing the life and times of the church after Pentecost. There is no mention of the Lord's Supper but there are numerous mentions of communal meals eaten together wherever and whenever the believers met together which was usually every evening.

The main reason I have no fear in saying this is due to the fact that I am not rusted onto a particular ideology that says there is only one understanding and it is this. Whereas it is very clear that what we did believe is not what the scripture teaches.

The fact that we believe wrong is amply illustrated by Luther's 99 theses which was posted on the door of Wittenberg Cathedral. That shocked the Catholic Church because it challenged their understanding of scripture and in so doing their authority.

History shows us very clearly that one thing the church is good at is the status quo and if you rock the boat, lookout. If the status quo is the source of our authority then we are going to quickly go down the drain.
 
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Well it is and have we not proven why there will never be unity, men will never come to Christ and make Him Lord, untill all men agree with Christ it will never change and religion will never allow that. Religion is form this word not God.
This is not the issue, I think the issue is everything thinks THEY agree with Christ and everyone else needs to stop and listen to them, who is in line with christ
 

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The Eucharist is not a minor. The Trinity is not mentioned either and Christians believe it. Just as the Trinity is the name for God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit so the Holy Eucharist is the name for what Christ did in the upper room and the Apostles continued to do and St. Paul talked about. The exact name doesn't have to be in the Bible to get used by Christians.
I agree it’s not a minor, However, I do not see it it As many think it is either, to me does not give anyone who takes it what Jesus promised in John 6.

but this is neither the time nor place to discuss it,
 

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Honestly the Eucharist or communion whatever you call it, was an unheard of debate before I joined these forums. I do believe in the power of it though, whether if you do it as a feast of bread and wine/grape juice or a little piece of bread and a cup of wine or grape juice, you are doing it in remembrance of what Jesus has done for us.

From memory what it sounds like they did originally in the Bible, is Jesus broke bread and drank wine with the 12 disciples, the Bible did not really suggest that they ate anything else with it for the Eucharist or communion.

Of course Judas and Jesus dipped their hands in the same dish, what was the dish for though, was it for washing hands? It well could have been, the other thought was it could have been a dish with a dip or sauce in, to dip the bread in, but then the Bible would have probably said they dipped their bread in the dish.

So no matter what we think, it is what it is "the bread and the wine" in remembrance of what Jesus did for us. And yep it's a powerful moment, I believe there is power in the Eucharist/communion.
Remember he broke bread with them at the passover meal, they were also eating the passover lamb, if we look in corinthians paul also had to scold the church because the people We’re getting fat and full eating all the food, and not saving any for the other people. (As well as getting drunk)

1 cor 11
20 Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord’s Supper. 21 For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you.

sadly it looks nothing like what we see in traditional churches today.
 

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The Eucharist is just not Catholic. Honest you people need to stop being so myopic and thinking everything that goes against your ideas are Catholic. The Eucharist is Anglican/Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Orthodox, and other Traditional Christianity. You dang tooting we don't invite those not in our communion, why the freaking heck would we? We are not in agreement at all and to take the Eucharist would say we are.

The Eucharist is much more than a mere meal, memorial, or anything that profane. The Eucharist is a re presentation of the once and for all sacrifice that Christ did for us. Christ said "This is mt body" and "This is my blood" not just a symbol but somehow truly Christ is present in the elements. We don't define it in our Church but like all Traditional Churches we believe in Christ Real Presence in the Eucharist just as they believed from the Ancient Church

If this was true, one would eat and never die, and Jesus promised them in John 6

grrr. I went against my own advice and discussed it when I said it would not.

I have a differing view, this does not make me anti catholic or Lutheran or anything else.l it makes me a person who has a different view,
 

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Just found this one on the Australian Prophetic Council's Facebook page.

A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, UNITY, HOLY SPIRIT and THE HARVEST
Helen Cobanov

The Lord gave me an incredibly detailed dream and He started to speak to me about the season we are coming into. He spoke to me about A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, bringing UNITY and RESTORATION to the BODY OF CHRIST as we move into this NEW and HEALTHY way of advancing the Kingdom TOGETHER, PARTNERED with the HOLY SPIRIT to usher in the great HARVEST.

Each image the Lord showed me, revealed a bigger picture of what He is doing, how He is preparing us and how we are to move forward in our gifts and calling according to His will and plan. I shared about this briefly at our online Australian Prophetic Council Roundtable at the end of May (full video available on Facebook), but I wanted to unpack this dream that came in 2 parts, and detail exactly what God showed me, to encourage the body of Christ and to help us prepare for the greatest Harvest we have ever seen!

I saw a very LARGE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. The field was lush, green and all perfectly marked out ready for play. On the slopes surrounding the field there were spectators as far as the eye could see. I noticed that the area where the spectators were sitting was very dull grey in colour. In fact as I looked at these spectators, I also noticed they too blended into this wash of grey. I asked the Lord about this and He explained to me that these SPECTATORS REPRESENTED the UNCHURCHED, UNSAVED, the LOST and BROKEN.

PART 1 - THE SHAKING

Then my attention was drawn to a young child running around on the sideline and his father was chasing behind him, reaching out to catch him. The child was in a state of silliness, a bit like when a child is over-tired or hyperactive after eating too much sugar! He was not listening to his father, and running up and down the slopes between spectators, running down to the sideline and then he tried to run onto the field where the team was. The game was not in play, and the father managed to grab the child before he made it to the field, and just before the child fell to the ground the father picked him up by the ankles and held him in the air upside down.

As the child was dangling upside-down he started to squirm to try and break free from the fathers grip. But the father held him tight, moved him away from the sideline and started to shake the child up and down. The child was laughing and squealing thinking it all to be a bit of a game to start with, but with each motion of the father SHAKING the child up and down, I saw things start to drop out of the child’s pockets.

With each shake I asked the Lord about what I was seeing. I first saw coins fall out of his pockets. So, I asked the Lord what the coins were? He said..“They are CREDIT. This child has been TAKING CREDIT for the things I have done.” Then he shook the child again. This time RUBBISH fell out and junk-food wrappers. The Lord said “This child has been FEEDING on RUBBISH and has developed UNHEALTHY HABITS and still carries around this rubbish, feeding off it!” The father then shook the child again quite firmly, as there was still some things deep in his pockets that the father wanted to shake out. This time toys - like vending machine PRIZES fell out. The Lord said “This child has IDOLS that he holds like PRIZED POSSESSIONS, that have ruled and been a stronghold over his life.”

Once the child’s pockets had been fully emptied, the Father seemed most pleased about what had been REMOVED from the child during the shaking. Then whilst the child was still held upside-down, the Father carried him away from all the things on the ground so he could not get to them again. He then gently lowered the child who was, at this point, most upset because all the things from his pockets had been removed. The child lay face down on the ground sobbing and still having a bit of a tantrum. The whole time the Father lovingly but firmly held his hand on the child’s back and spoke to him until the child was finally SETTLED, CALM and LISTENING.

THE RESPONSE

He said “Many of My children have been running around and caught up in a WHIRLWIND of CHAOS which the ENEMY has ASSIGNED to WREAK HAVOC amongst My people. They have been so full of EXCUSES, JUSTIFYING their behaviour, trying to CONTROL, rushing here and there, being so BUSY doing their OWN THING that they have become OUT OF CONTROL. They have been too busy to STOP or LISTEN to ME and let me HELP them and LEAD them. ENOUGH is ENOUGH! For I am taking hold of them before they try to run back out onto MY FIELD and cause havoc. I am going to cause a SHAKING that will flip things on their head. I will remove them from the clutches of the enemy and rid them of these things that constantly come between us, from these old ways and bad habits and attitudes, and I will cause My children to STOP, lie DOWN, SURRENDER and LISTEN. I will bring a CALM to their STORM. I will RESET and RESTORE them, and they will know MY HAND is upon them as I prepare them to RISE and WALK in MY WAYS the RIGHT WAY.”

Hebrews 12:26-29 TPT “Once and for all I will not only shake the systems of the world, but also the unseen powers in the heavenly realm!” Now this phrase “once and for all” clearly indicates the final removal of things that are shaking, that is, the old order, so only what is unshakeable will remain. Since we are receiving our rights to an unshakeable kingdom we should be extremely thankful and offer God the purest worship that delights his heart as we lay down our lives in absolute surrender, filled with awe. For our God is a holy, devouring fire!”

PART 2 - THE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD

Then my eyes were drawn to the large LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. I saw the TEAM PLAYERS on the field, and they were all lying face-down on the ground. Each team member was partnered with their own PERSONAL TRAINER who had a hand on the back of their player as they lay on the ground. As I looked closer, I noticed each personal trainer was the same. I asked the Lord about the personal trainer and He showed me this was the HOLY SPIRIT.

I then heard a whistle blow and the players stood up. The trainers took their players through different warm-up drills, TRAINING them and PREPARING them, increasing their fitness, sharpening their skills and gifts. They would give them rest between training drills, offering food and drink as they needed, speaking encouragement, offering help and advice, teaching and giving insight for the team plan and key strategies.

As they were training, I noticed that there was only ONE TEAM on the field and ALL the players had the SAME TEAM CLOTHING on! However, EACH PLAYER LOOKED VERY DIFFERENT to the other. Some had different shoes on, different items and equipment in their hands. Some had books, some had microphones, some instruments, tools, technology, medicine, money, weapons. Some had different hats on, some had cricket bats or soccer balls, dancing shoes, paint brushes or pens...and so much more!

Then I heard the whistle blow again and suddenly I felt the atmosphere shift. The team Coach (THE LORD) arrived along with an endless stream of team officials (HEAVENLY HOSTS) who all took their places surrounding the field. I could see the excitement and readiness of the players as the personal trainers placed them into position. I heard a horn blow and the team started to play. At NO time did the personal trainer (HOLY SPIRIT) leave the side of the players, but instructed and guided them EVERY step of the way. Each player used their UNIQUE skills and talents to play. Each move was STRATEGIC, INTENTIONAL and BEAUTIFUL to watch as the players moved alongside one another in UNITY under the guidance of the personal trainer and instruction of the Coach. Players were supporting each other, and sometimes players were required to move quickly or reposition to the other side of the field, sometimes they were instructed to step forward or take a step back, giving them time to TAKE A KNEE, rest and pause to listen to a word from the Coach.

The importance of everyone being a TEAM PLAYER and WORKING TOGETHER became evident as the Lord drew my eyes to the grey areas where the spectators were around the field. As the TEAM started to play in UNITY, I began to notice a POSITIVE RESPONSE as the spectators started to take interest in what was being played out before them. They started to wake up and become increasingly excited by what they were seeing! Suddenly I saw COLOUR start to spring up throughout the grey areas as spectators began to jump to their feet in RESPONSE to what they were seeing.

Continued....
 

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"The better the team became at working together in UNITY, the bigger the burst of colours would light up around the field as new life filled the spectators...(REVIVAL). Team officials were watching on, ready to usher the life-filled responding spectators to the sideline. They too were then each assigned a Personal Trainer (HOLY SPIRIT), and the Coach (THE LORD) called these new players (THE SAVED) to take a knee, while He spoke into them and brought light and breathed life into the gifts and talents they each had. Team clothing was given to them along with their unique equipment, and the personal trainers took them to warm up on the sidelines around the field. When they were ready, the Coach would nod and the trainer would then lead them and position them exactly where they needed to be, instructing them the whole time. I saw the field constantly INCREASING in LENGTH and WIDTH as far as the eye could see, as more and more and MORE players joined the team (THE GREAT HARVEST)!

BUT…
As I watched I also noticed at times SOME PLAYERS had their OWN AGENDA and chose to do their own thing! They would ignore the personal trainer’s instruction and advice and continue to push forward with their own play. This instantly disrupted the game play, as these solo players would run into positions that were NOT theirs or not where they needed to be at that time! These SOLO PLAYERS would trip over themselves STRIVING to get to where they wanted. This instantly had a NEGATIVE RESPONSE from the spectators nearby, causing them to react negatively towards the team on the field, mocking, throwing things and pointing the finger. This shifted the spectators’ attention as their own noise increased, stirring up plumes of grey smog, causing them to lose sight of the field as they became focused on their own voices, words and the opinions each had, about what they just saw.

Meanwhile, the rest of the team players would quickly respond, listen to their trainers, reposition or pause whilst the other trainers would call the solo players to stop and lie down on the ground. From that position, the trainer would place his hand on their back till they were settled, calm and listening. If the solo player still didn’t want to listen, the trainer would nod to the coach and they were taken off the field to the sideline. From that place I saw the Coach speak to each of them asking them to take a knee. Many solo players would stop, listen, reset and then begin to warm up on the sideline again, willing now to re-join the team. But some just REFUSED to be a TEAM PLAYER. They had their OWN PLAN and only wanted to do their OWN THING. The ones who refused, chose to remove their team clothing and walked away into the blend of grey to join with the other spectators.

THE RESPONSE
The Lord says “Come down from your pedestals! Get off your high horse! Come out of hiding, let me unharden your hearts! Fall on your faces, drop to your knees, SURRENDER before Me! COME TO ME! STOP and LISTEN, RESET and RECEIVE, for I am doing a NEW THING! I will PREPARE and give you ALL that you need. MY SPIRIT will go with you every step of the way, to HELP you, TRAIN you, TEACH you and GUIDE you into this NEW WAY. For I have prepared a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD and MY people will work as ONE BODY and ONE HEART, to do just as I CALLED you to, and each play your part! I am RESTORING HEALTH to The BODY and bringing UNITY to MY PEOPLE. You will WORSHIP and MOVE in SPIRIT and in TRUTH and be MY GREAT WITNESS upon The Earth!”

“GET READY for THE GREAT HARVEST! GET READY to CATCH THE WIND of MY SPIRIT for I am about to BLOW! (Ezekiel 37) I will BREATHE NEW LIFE into DRY BONES, I WILL AWAKEN MY BRIDE and I will SHAKE the NATIONS. YES they will COME ALIVE. As MY SPIRIT MOVES in you and through you, FIX YOUR EYES on ME! LISTEN to MY INSTRUCTION, for this is KEY! My Church, My Children, I am INVITING you to COME, and see My Kingdom come and My will be done! My plans will be established, so SURRENDER your HEART to Me. Your TRUE and PROPER WORSHIP will bring CLARITY. As I call you to RISE, MY SPIRIT will come ALIVE. I will DELIGHT your HEART! WILL YOU COME PLAY YOUR PART?”

Ezekiel 36:25-28 NIV “I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people, and I will be your God.”

Along with this dream, over the past few months The Lord has also given me key songs with powerful lyrics that have stirred my heart to cry out, pray and intercede with. I pray this word and these lyrics stir your heart and bless you too.
For the Sake of the World - Bethel Music
Awake My Soul -Hillsong Worship
Come Alive - Hillsong Worship
Tremble - Mosaic MSC"
 

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This is not the issue, I think the issue is everything thinks THEY agree with Christ and everyone else needs to stop and listen to them, who is in line with christ
Oh it is if everyone agreed with Christ there would be no need for this topics as there would be no division. We would be united in Him
 

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Oh it is if everyone agreed with Christ there would be no need for this topics as there would be no division. We would be united in Him
Yeah but how do we come to unity when we all think we agree with Christ.

that’s the issue. When we are dead set against the thought we may be wrong
 

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Oh it is if everyone agreed with Christ there would be no need for this topics as there would be no division. We would be united in Him
How can you unite with Christ apart from the Bible?

You may not want God’s Word, but the Word became flesh, and was with us for about 33 years. Now we are back with the Word in the Bible, God gave to us. Except now it has turned into hundreds of different interpretations. There is still the Word though.
 
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