Once Saved Always Saved

[Michiah-Imla]

Im teaching you Pauline Theology.
Go and look it up, and learn to hear it

You are puffed up with Dispensational Theology.

Paul taught biblical theology:

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

You need to re-learn to hear all the counsel of God:

Acts 20:27,29
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

You are doing the work of a grievous wolf encouraging the flock to hear only some of the counsel of God!

This is why many don’t turn away from their evil doings:

Jeremiah 23:22
But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

Repent of your error and get right with God!

Don’t be like the one Paul rebuked here:

Acts of the Apostles 13:10
...O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Those who Agree or disagree have not understood eternal life. They have not understood psalm 89. If they understood either they would understand correctly. Always ask God for understanding and not the opinion of others.

Nor understand God's THREE Tenses Of HIS ETERNAL Life That
HE FREELY Bestows Upon the ONE-TIME faith of the humble!:

[ "...God, Who Raises the dead! {v. 9} ], Who Delivered us from so Great a
death, And Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!"
Expounded:

{PAST Tense}: { Justification!!! = God Establishes "Relationship!" }
"Who Delivered us from so great a death..." {From The PENALTY of sin!}
God Performs/Establishes This Eternal Relationship, Which Cannot
Be Broken by anything! {See # 4 God's Assurance in signature below...}

{ PRESENT Tense }: { Sanctification!! = WE "work out" fellowship on earth! }
"...And Doth Deliver:..." {From The POWER of sin!!} This is "our OWN salvation/
deliverance" as we "die daily, submitting ourselves to CHRIST, as a living sacrifice!"
(Romans 12 : 1-2 KJB!)

Note: This is NOT for Eternal Life, but, WHEN we get there, IT IS for
rewards, or lack thereof ONLY (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15 KJB!), and thus CAN
BE BROKEN by us NOT obeying/submitting, which will grieve or even quench
The Eternal Indwelling Holy Spirit, And, Further, God Will Still Perform The:

{FUTURE Tense}: { Glorification! = Eternal "fellowship," IN HEAVEN!!! }
"...in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!" {From The PRESENCE of sin!!!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10 KJB!) Amen?

Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

ALL Praise, Honor, And GLORY Goes To HIM Alone!!!

 

[justbyfaith]

Ive read your theology.
Its anti-Cross.
You are the gospel of water + works.
Galatians 1:8

Again, I do not teach that there are any magical properties in the waters of baptism, so that "water' saves a man.

But going under the water, in baptism, is a perfect representation of being buried and risen with Christ. Therefore baptism is an identification with Christ in His death on the Cross, His burial, and His resurrection. And as such, it is a confession of Jesus before men.

This is the only sense that it can be salvational (see Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).

Therefore I do not preach "water" and my doctrine is not anti-Cross.

And I do not preach "works" either.

I challenge you to provide any post by me where I have taught that we are saved by works. (you can right-click on the number of the post at the top right of the post; you will be given the option of "Copt Link Address" left-click on that, and you will be able to paste that in your message by right-clicking in the message and then left-clicking on "paste".

{ PRESENT Tense }: { Sanctification!! = WE "work out" fellowship on earth! }
"...And Doth Deliver:..." {From The POWER of sin!!} This is "our OWN salvation/
deliverance" as we "die daily, submitting ourselves to CHRIST, as a living sacrifice!"
(Romans 12 : 1-2 KJB!)

Note: This is NOT for Eternal Life, but, WHEN we get there, IT IS for
rewards, or lack thereof ONLY (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15 KJB!), and thus CAN
BE BROKEN by us NOT obeying/submitting, which will grieve or even quench
The Eternal Indwelling Holy Spirit, And, Further, God Will Still Perform The:

Sanctification is, in fact, an aspect of salvation.

 

[justbyfaith]

[18 b] but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself,

^ That is speaking about Christ Jesus, NOT Human men.

It is talking about human men.

1Pe 1:3, Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

 

[Taken]

It is talking about human men.

1Pe 1:3, Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Do you understand Jesus came forth OUT from God...?

Do you understand Human men came forth OUT of the Dust of the Earth...?

Human men Who submit to God, BECOME CHANGED,
BY Gods POWER...
To Restore a mans soul?
BY Gods SEED...
To birth a mans new spirit?

Human Men DO NOT COME Forth OUT from God.

Human Men become a "son of God", BY Adoption....By God planting HIS SEED (who IS Christ) in a mans NEW Heart, that God has circumcised.

Jesus is the ONLY Begotten come forth out from God.
Men are "Begotten" by Gods Seed "planted" in the mans Heart....and thus called Born Again.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you understand Jesus came forth OUT from God...?

Do you understand Human men came forth OUT of the Dust of the Earth...?

Human men Who submit to God, BECOME CHANGED,
BY Gods POWER...
To Restore a mans soul?
BY Gods SEED...
To birth a mans new spirit?

Human Men DO NOT COME Forth OUT from God.

Human Men become a "son of God", BY Adoption....By God planting HIS SEED (who IS Christ) in a mans NEW Heart, that God has circumcised.

Jesus is the ONLY Begotten come forth out from God.
Men are "Begotten" by Gods Seed "planted" in the mans Heart....and thus called Born Again.

When Jesus spoke John 3:16, He had not yet died on the Cross.

After He died, now He is the "firstbegotten" (Hebrews 1:6).

People who are born of God are in fact "begotten" of God; even according to the scripture that you have denied (1 Peter 1:3).

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Sanctification is, in fact, an aspect of salvation.

Thanks So Much - agree, but, does our human failure/disobedience/unbelief
NEGATE "The JUSTIFICATION" Aspect/Negating THE ALL-Sufficient BLOOD
Of The CROSS?

 

[justbyfaith]

Thanks So Much - agree, but, does our human failure/disobedience/unbelief
NEGATE "The JUSTIFICATION" Aspect/Negating THE ALL-Sufficient BLOOD
Of The CROSS?

If we do not continue in His goodness, we can even be "cut off" (Romans 11:20-22).

 

[Taken]

When Jesus spoke John 3:16, He had not yet died on the Cross.

After He died, now He is the "firstbegotten" (Hebrews 1:6).

People who are born of God are in fact "begotten" of God; even according to the scripture that you have denied (1 Peter 1:3).

I deny human men come forth out from God.
Human men can BECOME a son of God By Adoption, through Conversion, through Christ Jesus.
Jesus is the ONLY begotten who came forth out from God.
Stay in context.

 

[justbyfaith]

I deny human men come forth out from God.
Human men can BECOME a son of God By Adoption, through Conversion, through Christ Jesus.
Jesus is the ONLY begotten who came forth out from God.
Stay in context.

Men are begotten of God when the Holy Spirit becomes one with their spirit (1 Corinthians 6:17, Ephesians 3:19-20).

 

[GRACE ambassador]

If we do not continue in His goodness, we can even be "cut off"

Explain THIS Contradiction:
"cut off" From Everlasting LIFE! IS NOT Equal to:

"For By ONE Offering HE Hath Perfected For Ever them
that are sanctified!" eh? =

Agrees With "The JUSTIFICATION" Aspect/NOT Negating
THE ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Of The CROSS!

"cut off" then MUST be Referring to "rewards in Glory!"
(1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15 KJB!), eh?

 

[Taken]

Men are begotten of God when the Holy Spirit becomes one with their spirit (1 Corinthians 6:17, Ephesians 3:19-20).

Do you think you are IN God and come forth out from God?

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you think you are IN God and come forth out from God?

I was not conceived of the Holy Spirit, if that is what you are saying.

I am in the body of Christ in that His Spirit has come to dwell within me and in that He has become one with my spirit (1 Corinthians 6:17, Ephesians 3:19-20).

 

[justbyfaith]

Explain THIS Contradiction:
"cut off" From Everlasting LIFE! IS NOT Equal to:

"For By ONE Offering HE Hath Perfected For Ever them
that are sanctified!" eh? =

Agrees With "The JUSTIFICATION" Aspect/NOT Negating
THE ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Of The CROSS!

"cut off" then MUST be Referring to "rewards in Glory!"
(1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15 KJB!), eh?

If you have been perfected for ever, will you not continue in His goodness for ever?

 

[marks]

What truth?

That we can be saved apart from faith in Jesus Christ?

That is not the truth; that is a dangerous lie.

Your words, not mine, and acting as if this were what I were saying is dishonest in my view.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

Your words, not mine, and acting as if this were what I were saying is dishonest in my view.

Much love!

I was not saying that it is what you were saying; I am saying that it is what @Blood Bought 1953 implied when he paraphrased Romans 10:13 as saying "whoever asks to be saved, will be saved." that is not entirely accurate; because it can be interpreted to mean that we can come to God apart from faith in Jesus.

But he has said that he does not believe that; so I am certain that he is not going to give that paraphrase any more; because I think he understands now that it is misleading to the "newbie".

But you have to follow the conversation all the way back to its beginning to be able to see that that is what I was referring to.

 

[Taken]

Once Saved Always Saved

Once a man HAS RECEIVED the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation;
...the man does not BECOME UN-SAVED.

A man WHO does NOT ACCEPT the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation;
...IS the man who has LOST his Salvation.

It is MINDFUL logic, to conclude, you MUST RECEIVE Salvation, BEFORE you can LOSE Salvation.

It is SPIRITUAL knowledge, to know, SALVATION, is a bought and paid for GIFT, Offered to ALL men.

It is SPIRITUAL understanding, to understand;
* SPIRITUAL GIFTS - are EXPRESSLY Gifts FROM the Lord God, GIVEN TO MEN, FOR:
Gods Benefit.
* SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS - are EXPRESSLY Blessings FROM the Lord God, GIVEN TO MEN, FOR: a Mans Personal Benefit.

* ALL SOULS ARE GODS -
Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine;

* The LIFE IN ALL SOULS IS GODS BREATH -
Gen 2:
[7] man ... breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

* The LIFE in All Souls IS JESUS.
John 14:
[6] Jesus..I am...the life...

* Christ the Power of God.
1 Cor 1:
[24] ...Christ the power of God...

* Pss 23:
[3] He restoreth my soul...

- The SOUL - in a natural man, IS Corrupted.
- The SOUL - in a man, IS Offered to be Restored.
- The OFFERING - IS a BLESSING
- The BLESSING - IS via Gods MERCY
- The ACCOMPLISHED - RESTORATION IS;
* BY the mans, Acceptance
* BY Gods Power, Who IS Christ.
* IS: KEPT RESTORED
* BY Gods Power, Who IS Christ.

ONCE a mans SOUL has BEEN RESTORED from Corruption, THAT SOUL IS SANCTIFIED (set apart) and SAVED FOR EVER.

Heb 10
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[Charlie24]

Once Saved Always Saved

Once a man HAS RECEIVED the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation;
...the man does not BECOME UN-SAVED.

A man WHO does NOT ACCEPT the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation;
...IS the man who has LOST his Salvation.

It is MINDFUL logic, to conclude, you MUST RECEIVE Salvation, BEFORE you can LOSE Salvation.

It is SPIRITUAL knowledge, to know, SALVATION, is a bought and paid for GIFT, Offered to ALL men.

It is SPIRITUAL understanding, to understand;
* SPIRITUAL GIFTS - are EXPRESSLY Gifts FROM the Lord God, GIVEN TO MEN, FOR:
Gods Benefit.
* SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS - are EXPRESSLY Blessings FROM the Lord God, GIVEN TO MEN, FOR: a Mans Personal Benefit.

* ALL SOULS ARE GODS -
Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine;

* The LIFE IN ALL SOULS IS GODS BREATH -
Gen 2:
[7] man ... breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

* The LIFE in All Souls IS JESUS.
John 14:
[6] Jesus..I am...the life...

* Christ the Power of God.
1 Cor 1:
[24] ...Christ the power of God...

* Pss 23:
[3] He restoreth my soul...

- The SOUL - in a natural man, IS Corrupted.
- The SOUL - in a man, IS Offered to be Restored.
- The OFFERING - IS a BLESSING
- The BLESSING - IS via Gods MERCY
- The ACCOMPLISHED - RESTORATION IS;
* BY the mans, Acceptance
* BY Gods Power, Who IS Christ.
* IS: KEPT RESTORED
* BY Gods Power, Who IS Christ.

ONCE a mans SOUL has BEEN RESTORED from Corruption, THAT SOUL IS SANCTIFIED (set apart) and SAVED FOR EVER.

Heb 10
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

You guys remind me of some Humanistic Psychology professors I've heard trying to reason scripture into their personal beliefs!

God could have given us our total redemption at the time of salvation if He wanted, but He didn't choose that.

He chose to give us our total redemption and inheritance at the resurrection, until then we have a down payment.

Eph. 1:13-14
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

Have you ever wondered why He chose this route? Here's why,

Heb. 3:14
"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"

 

[Taken]

You guys remind me of some Humanistic Psychology professors I've heard trying to reason scripture into their personal beliefs!

God could have given us our total redemption at the time of salvation if He wanted, but He didn't choose that.

He chose to give us our total redemption and inheritance at the resurrection, until then we have a down payment.

Eph. 1:13-14
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

Have you ever wondered why He chose this route? Here's why,

Heb. 3:14
"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"

There IS a Difference between,
* A man believing and continuing belief, by his own "confidence" ( his own power ).
(Yes, this man receives, blessings, during his continued Belief.)
* And a man believing and DECLARING his Heartful Belief unto the Lord, who thereafter MAKES Changes in the man, and the man is KEPT in Belief, by the Power of God.

The Latter was Offered, and I Accepted the Latter. I freely, knowingly, and willfully submitted my WHOLE Life (body, soul, spirit)...UNTO the Lord.

No man has greater Power than the Lord.
No man can Undo what the Lord God has CHANGED regarding my WHOLE Life.

You can remain in your own confidence, IF that is what you choose. That has zero effect on me.

 

[Behold]

I challenge you to provide any post by me where I have taught that we are saved by works.

You teach that YOU can lose your salvation.
This means that YOU take responsibility to keep yourself saved.
Once you decided that, YOU nailed yourself to the Cross and kicked Jesus off.