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you are in the church and put in Christ by “faith alone”?

No.

Im "Put" into God's family by God.
HE did this by birthing me into His Holy Spirit.
Im now "One with God".
And who is God? God is A Spirit> = THE Holy Spirit.

So, for me to exist THERE, i have to become the SAME, by being born again, INTO That Same.

The city water supply, can't cause this to happen.

=Think.
 

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You cannot be born again by faith alone!
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Its interesting that your religious organization denies the Gospel of the Grace of God for 1500 yrs, as you just stated.

Your religious organization, denies Paul's "justification by Faith", and denies that Abraham was justified by Faith, and this denies and contradicts the Cross because it denies that Salvation is a "Gift". "The Gift of Salvation".
 

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you are in the church and put in Christ by “faith alone”?


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
You my friend are distorting Gods word

in your first passage, it says we were baptized INTO ONE BODY (that body belong Christ,

1. it does not say we were baptized in water,
2. It says we were immersed or placed into Body (literal translation)
3. Only the spirit of God has the power to baptize you into the body
4. This is spirit baptism not water

in your second,

It says we were baptized into CHRIST

1. it does not say we were baptized in water,
2. It says we were immersed or placed into Christ (literal translation)
3. Only the spirit of God has the power to baptize you into Christ
4. This is spirit baptism not water

you try to use the defenition of baptism always means baptized into water, let’s see what this defenition causes us to read

we were “baptized into water” into the body...

and the second,
for as many of us have been “baptized in water” into Christ.

I pray you would see how foolish this sounds, and turn fro this flawed thinking

Again, If you would look at the true definition of the Greek word used, you would never come up with your conclusion this is water baptism
 

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Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

These are great verses, my friend! I use these to demonstrate Spiritual Circumcision, the same Circumcision that Abraham received, and this is the same Spiritual Circumcision that True Christians receive.

Again . . . How were people in the Old Testament saved? We're supposed to have the same Faith as Abraham, so what Faith is that? What, exactly, is the Blessing? This is the same Blessing that the Gentiles received, so we know it cannot be the physical Holy Land. What, then, is it?
 
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These are great verses, my friend! I use these to demonstrate Spiritual Circumcision, the same Circumcision that Abraham received, and this is the same Spiritual Circumcision that True Christians receive.

Again . . . How were people in the Old Testament saved? We're supposed to have the same Faith as Abraham, so what Faith is that? What, exactly, is the Blessing? This is the same Blessing that the Gentiles received, so we know it cannot be the physical Holy Land. What, then, is it?

It's the Spiritual Holy Land:
Heb 12:22-23
22 But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Only the spiritual mind understands, it's all about going deeper into the Glory of the Lord.
Those in the flesh, could care less.

I Cor 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I see nothing here about the Baptism in Fire, or Baptism in Holy Spirit or Baptism in the Cloud (I Cor 10:2) - that one will preach, to those with ears to hear.
 
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It's the Spiritual Holy Land:
Heb 12:22-23
22 But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Only the spiritual mind understands, it's all about going deeper into the Glory of the Lord.
Those in the flesh, could care less.

I Cor 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I see nothing here about the Baptism in Fire, or Baptism in Holy Spirit or Baptism in the Cloud (I Cor 10:2) - that one will preach, to those with ears to hear.

Yes . . . we've got to go and look deeper into Scriptures. So much of it is a "living allegory" that not only addresses the current events, but that event is also a picture of what is to come. Our Bible is beyond remarkable! In fact, I'd say that it is impossible to have been "thought up" by the human mind. The Bible reflects the Raw, Almighty Power of God first and foremost.

Have a good day!
 
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Yes . . . we've got to go and look deeper into Scriptures. So much of it is a "living allegory" that not only addresses the current events, but that event is also a picture of what is to come. Our Bible is beyond remarkable! In fact, I'd say that it is impossible to have been "thought up" by the human mind. The Bible reflects the Raw, Almighty Power of God first and foremost.

Have a good day!
Yes, the Bible is a transcendental masterpiece addressing various levels of spiritual ascension, which is why the higher you go, the less understanding there is amonst those not ascending.
 
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Yes, the Bible is a transcendental masterpiece addressing various levels of spiritual ascension, which is why the higher you go, the less understanding there is amongst those not ascending.

You have just described and outlines what has happened to me in my own life . . . in relation to understanding the Holy Word of God.
 

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so you agree that t CANNOT be “faith alone”
“Faith alone” means that salvation is from god apart from any works of man. I believe that. “Faith Alone” does not mean “intellectual ascent with no evidence of a changed life”.

The saying is ... “We are saved byFaith alone, but the faith that saves is never found alone.” In other words, our “good works” are the FRIUT that grows from our SALVATION and not the ROOT that leads to our SALVATION.
 

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Yes, let me paraphase all that for you.

N: says..... Lord you want me to be born again? How do i, as a grown adult, go back into my mother's womb and come out again? How is that possible, Im confused. ?

Jesus: says.....>"no, i dont mean that type natural birth........i mean that you have been born naturally , birthed by your mother, when her water broke, but now to enter the Kingdom of God, a 2nd birth is necesssary, a SPIRITUAL BIRTH.......that births you INTO my Spiritual Kingdom,.... you have to be born again SPIRITUALLY into THE Kingdom of God, , which is the 2nd Birth., or BORN AGAIN. a 2nd time, Spiritually.
No - that is Scriptural acrobatics.
Allow ME to paraphrase for YOU:
John 3:3-6

3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born oagain he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jesus answered him, "I tell you truly that unless a person is born AGAIN, they cannot see the Kingdom of God."
Nicodemus replies, "How is a person born again when he is old? Can he he be physically born from his mother a second time:
Jesus answered, "I tell you truly that unless a person is born (again) of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter Heaven. What is born of the flesh is physical - but I'm talking about SPRITUAL rebirth.


Jesus didn't talk bout phsycal birth until verse 6.
Verse 5 is ALL about Spiritual REBIRTH.
 

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Yes, let me paraphase all that for you.


N: says..... Lord you want me to be born again? How do i, as a grown adult, go back into my mother's womb and come out again? How is that possible, Im confused. ?

Jesus: says.....>"no, i dont mean that type natural birth........i mean that you have been born naturally , birthed by your mother, when her water broke, but now to enter the Kingdom of God, a 2nd birth is necesssary, a SPIRITUAL BIRTH.......that births you INTO my Spiritual Kingdom,.... you have to be born again SPIRITUALLY into THE Kingdom of God, , which is the 2nd Birth., or BORN AGAIN. a 2nd time, Spiritually.

And that spiritual birth is accomplished how? If not by Christian baptism by water and the spirit?

Baptismal regeneration!

Old Testament pre-figures of baptism.

Psalm 36:9
For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

Song of Solomon 4:15
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Isaiah 41:18
I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

OT pre-figured baptism

Isaiah 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations;

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

New Testament

Matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

( Disciples by baptism not faith alone)

Mk 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Mark 16:16
he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

Jn 1: 11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Baptism)

John 1:26
John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6
And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)

John3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)

Acts 8:36
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Philip preached Jesus and the result is justification by baptism!

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:5 
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Gal 4:19
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)

1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

Hope you can swim? Cos outside the ark of salvation all drown!
 

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No.

Im "Put" into God's family by God.
HE did this by birthing me into His Holy Spirit.
Im now "One with God".
And who is God? God is A Spirit> = THE Holy Spirit.

So, for me to exist THERE, i have to become the SAME, by being born again, INTO That Same.

The city water supply, can't cause this to happen.

=Think.

God says so

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them

Washes away sin

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Baptized into Christ and His church

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
 

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Its interesting that your religious organization denies the Gospel of the Grace of God for 1500 yrs, as you just stated.

Your religious organization, denies Paul's "justification by Faith", and denies that Abraham was justified by Faith, and this denies and contradicts the Cross because it denies that Salvation is a "Gift". "The Gift of Salvation".
Not so
Only “faith alone”!
Mk 16:16
 

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You my friend are distorting Gods word

in your first passage, it says we were baptized INTO ONE BODY (that body belong Christ,

1. it does not say we were baptized in water,
2. It says we were immersed or placed into Body (literal translation)
3. Only the spirit of God has the power to baptize you into the body
4. This is spirit baptism not water

in your second,

It says we were baptized into CHRIST

1. it does not say we were baptized in water,
2. It says we were immersed or placed into Christ (literal translation)
3. Only the spirit of God has the power to baptize you into Christ
4. This is spirit baptism not water

you try to use the defenition of baptism always means baptized into water, let’s see what this defenition causes us to read

we were “baptized into water” into the body...

and the second,
for as many of us have been “baptized in water” into Christ.

I pray you would see how foolish this sounds, and turn fro this flawed thinking

Again, If you would look at the true definition of the Greek word used, you would never come up with your conclusion this is water baptism

baptism means both and water and the spirit
Jn 3:5 both
 

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It's the Spiritual Holy Land:
Heb 12:22-23
22 But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Only the spiritual mind understands, it's all about going deeper into the Glory of the Lord.
Those in the flesh, could care less.

I Cor 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I see nothing here about the Baptism in Fire, or Baptism in Holy Spirit or Baptism in the Cloud (I Cor 10:2) - that one will preach, to those with ears to hear.

the church yes
The bride
The new or heavenly Jerusalem
We enter by Christian baptism
Eph 4:5

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
 

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It is GOD’s covenant ... made by God, with God, to do as God wills.

I brought NOTHING to the table.

and God is the mediator
And he demands baptism as the initiation
Mk 1:16
Jn 3:5
Eph 4:5
Acts 2:38 acts 8

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
 

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“Faith alone” means that salvation is from god apart from any works of man. I believe that. “Faith Alone” does not mean “intellectual ascent with no evidence of a changed life”.

The saying is ... “We are saved byFaith alone, but the faith that saves is never found alone.” In other words, our “good works” are the FRIUT that grows from our SALVATION and not the ROOT that leads to our SALVATION.

and Christ?
And grace?
And the sacraments?
And the church?