Other gods I know

[mjrhealth]

Other Gods I know

It is interesting how christians will quickly tell those denominations that have icons, and idols in there church how foolish they are. But there is another idol that christians have that is found in all denominations. This idol is so powerful it is greater than God Himself, it is so powerful that even God Himself can do nothing outside of it. It holds such a place in the hearts of men that they wont even go to the one it tells them about, it has such a hold on men that even when there is error they refuse to see it in case they upset this idol, it is one of the most discussed idols amongst christians, they bicker over it, argue which of these idols is the right one, they say all these idols are the same even though they are different, they say this idol speaks for God. I know this idol as the bible but most christians call it the word of God. They tell me that God cannot teach you anything outside of this book even though it says in there,

Joh_21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Somehow man has managed to take an infinite God and reduce Him to a book as if man himself is more powerful than God, they have bound Him hand and foot and wont let Him speak unless they desire Him to, and only what they already know. Yes man has done many foolish things and many more He will do, but reducing our all powerful God to words in a book was the most foolish of all.

In all His Love

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I read somewhere that protestants replaced an 'inerrant' pope as the final authority with and 'inerrant' book as the same.

 

[theophilus]

Somehow man has managed to take an infinite God and reduce Him to a book as if man himself is more powerful than God, they have bound Him hand and foot and wont let Him speak unless they desire Him to, and only what they already know. Yes man has done many foolish things and many more He will do, but reducing our all powerful God to words in a book was the most foolish of all.

God chose to reveal his will through a book. Jesus often quoted the Bible and recognized its authority. We should follow his example.

In Jesus Christ the infinite God became a human. If he can do that isn't it reasonable to suppose that he could also place an infinite amount of wisdom in a book?

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus often quoted the Bible

Jesus quoted the Torah and other books that are not in the bible.

In all His Love

 

[Mungo]

God chose to reveal his will through a book. Jesus often quoted the Bible and recognized its authority. We should follow his example.

In Jesus Christ the infinite God became a human. If he can do that isn't it reasonable to suppose that he could also place an infinite amount of wisdom in a book?

[SIZE=11pt]God did not reveal his will through a book[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]God first chose to reveal his will first through the prophets [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]"In times past, God spoke in partial and various ways to our ancestors through the prophets;"[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] (Heb 1:1)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Then God chose to reveal his will through Jesus[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]"in these last days, he spoke to us through a son, whom he made heir of all things and through whom he created the universe,[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]" (Heb 1:2)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]“I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and speak.” [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt](Jn 12:49)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]The Bible had no authority over Jesus.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] (Mt 28:18)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Jesus was operating under the authority of the Father. This is why he says:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]“Very truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise".[/SIZE] [SIZE=11pt](Jn 5:19)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]And[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]“When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak these things as the Father instructed [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]me[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]".[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt](Jn [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]8:28[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt])[/SIZE]

 

[veteran]

This thread proposes a completely ignorant and silly argument that will lead absolutely nowhere. The Word of God is directly represented by Christ Jesus per Scripture. He even gave the analogy of Himself being the Bread of Life and the Waters of Life.

Furthermore, The Word of God is more than just ink on paper. It existed before this present world, and will continue to exist forever.

Now if there's any one religious sect that actually worships the letters on the paper, it's the Jews in their religion of Judaism.

 

[mjrhealth]

Does it, maybe you should read some of the threads on christian forums. you would be suprised how often God comes second to the bible and so called scripture, and in teh end they dont do the one thing they should do,

"Go to Jesus"

In all His Love

 

[7angels]

just to clarify for my understanding. first isn't the Jesus called the Word and isn't the bible called the Word of God? so does not that make the two one and the same? second are there not things in life that are not covered by the bible? for example what if i want a 2014 flouresent orange chevy corevette used with less then 5k miles? how would i go about finding out if it was God's will for me getting it or how about the color i should paint my house? the bible does not answer these questions so that tells me i need to find another way to get instructions right? third, the bible must be true or why do we even follow the God of the bible? so if the bible is true then why would we not want to listen to what it teaches and learn from it?

God bless

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

just to clarify for my understanding. first isn't the Jesus called the Word and isn't the bible called the Word of God? so does not that make the two one and the same?

No. One is an imperfect book, the other is a perfect being. The book cannot make you alive. It can only point you in the right direction.

You search the scriptures because you think that you have eternal life in them [but you don't], and it is these that testify about me. And you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life. John 5:39-40

 

[Mungo]

No. One is an imperfect book, the other is a perfect being. The book cannot make you alive. It can only point you in the right direction.

You search the scriptures because you think that you have eternal life in them [but you don't], and it is these that testify about me. And you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life. John 5:39-40

Good answer.

 

[domenic]

No. One is an imperfect book, the other is a perfect being. The book cannot make you alive. It can only point you in the right direction.

You search the scriptures because you think that you have eternal life in them [but you don't], and it is these that testify about me. And you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life. John 5:39-40

Mt 22:37,38 We are commanded to do this above all else.

 

[veteran]

Does it, maybe you should read some of the threads on christian forums. you would be suprised how often God comes second to the bible and so called scripture, and in teh end they dont do the one thing they should do,

"Go to Jesus"

In all His Love

What I see a lot of here with 'some', is how they want to think The Holy Spirit supercedes God's Holy Writ, when in reality The Holy Spirit will ALWAYS be right in line with God's Holy Writ. Makes sense that He does too, since God's Holy Writ was written... THROUGH The Holy Spirit, and is not just a common literature from men.

The reason those men try to do that, is so they can claim, "God said..." when He did not!!!

Those are deceivers come here to sway the brethren, and are soon to be cast out to the dung where they belong.

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes veteran you are correct, its amazing how many quote text out of the bible and say " God said it", when He did not,We are quiet good at putting words into Gods mouth, because it is in the bible.

Those who are Led by the Spirit, they are the Sons of God.

The words that I Speak they are spirit they are life.

Men have become carnal, prefer the dead letter to the living Word.

In all His Love

 

[Mungo]

The words that I Speak they are spirit they are life.

No they aren't. They are just your opinions.

Men have become carnal, prefer the dead letter to the living Word.

More opinions

 

[Ruth]

God uses the bible for His glory. We can find salvation in the bible, we kind find holy teaching and encouragement from the bible....but the bible is not God...so many seem to worship the bible as if it is God Himself

The writings of the bible are inspired writings of men,blessed by God to tell us Who God is, and how to know, and find salvation.

 

[veteran]

Yes veteran you are correct, its amazing how many quote text out of the bible and say " God said it", when He did not,We are quiet good at putting words into Gods mouth, because it is in the bible.

Those who are Led by the Spirit, they are the Sons of God.

The words that I Speak they are spirit they are life.

Men have become carnal, prefer the dead letter to the living Word.

In all His Love

I see you still intend to mock God's Holy Writ, even calling it "the dead letter" instead of The Living Word of God.

That reveals how your attitude makes you MORE prone to heeding the false prophets, i.e., those who say, "God said..." and He did not send them.

Our Heavenly Father has no need to keep repeating the things He already gave His Church in His Holy Writ. It is only... by study of His Holy Writ, showing ourselves approved of Him like Apostle Paul said (1 Tim.2:15), when The Holy Spirit will begin revealing the true and proper meanings in His Word, and of the things to come in the future which He already foretold us. Any other way is to be misled by men, or by another spirit.

Those who put their trust in outward signs while disregarding His Holy Writ are in danger of deception, simply because the devil himself is able to cause spiritual manifestations and wonderous signs and miracles. And that was a SPECIFIC warning our Lord Jesus Christ gave His Church for the very end of this present world. Your choice which you'd rather heed. I choose to listen to my Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ in His Word, so as to know... that difference. It is not a coincedence that God has made His Holy Writ so available in most all nations and to most all peoples today.

 

[mjrhealth]

Rom_7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

As you all say just opinions and God cares nought for mens opinions, only truth.

In all His Lovr

 

[Rex]

Rom_7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

As you all say just opinions and God cares nought for mens opinions, only truth.

In all His Lovr

Most anything is and can be abused, You know the law is not the entirety of the nor the means of salvation but you use the word yourself to make a point.

God has left a bread trail through the ages even before Moses, it only seems fitting that He makes himself known to mankind in two parts the Spirit and the physical. After all man is a both Spirit and flesh as well. So lets be-careful to not miss the way and walk completely after a spirit Col 2:8 or the physical.

We are also told that the Jews looked for signs, such as manifestations in the physical realm and Greeks looked for wisdom, the spiritual realm, but we teach Christ crucified in whom he said, the scriptures testified to himself. Lets not confuse the issue, it is these that Jesus and you are speaking of, and not the scriptures in themselves which are a crumb trail leading many to the bread of life for those that search. Here again in the following verse is the comparison of Flesh and Spirit.

John 5:29-40
39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

And Paul also warns of going astray or being puffed up with idle notions, maybe such notions as making the bible a god or minimizing its rightful place.
In ether case it's possible to miss the mark Col 2:8

So with out a tutor how does one distinguish the spirits? Is it possible with out the word? perhaps, but why not listen to those that even you know who's words are true. In all the solution is not to close our bibles and wing it, this is what Justin Mangonel teaches. It's been my personal observation that those that seek to remove or minimize the written word handed down, wish to draw men away from the foundation established in the NT.

 

[veteran]

I see you still intend to mock God's Holy Writ, even calling it "the dead letter" instead of The Living Word of God.

That reveals how your attitude makes you MORE prone to heeding the false prophets, i.e., those who say, "God said..." and He did not send them.

Our Heavenly Father has no need to keep repeating the things He already gave His Church in His Holy Writ. It is only... by study of His Holy Writ, showing ourselves approved of Him like Apostle Paul said (1 Tim.2:15), when The Holy Spirit will begin revealing the true and proper meanings in His Word, and of the things to come in the future which He already foretold us. Any other way is to be misled by men, or by another spirit.

Those who put their trust in outward signs while disregarding His Holy Writ are in danger of deception, simply because the devil himself is able to cause spiritual manifestations and wonderous signs and miracles. And that was a SPECIFIC warning our Lord Jesus Christ gave His Church for the very end of this present world. Your choice which you'd rather heed. I choose to listen to my Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ in His Word, so as to know... that difference. It is not a coincedence that God has made His Holy Writ so available in most all nations and to most all peoples today.

I posted the wrong verse, should be 2 Timonthy 2:15...

2 Tim 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
(KJV)

Rom_7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

As you all say just opinions and God cares nought for mens opinions, only truth.

In all His Lovr

Well, you show Biblical ignorance as to what the 'law' is too. If you had studied God's Word like we're supposed to, you would have known about that topic too. But it's clear you instead are listening to those who say, "God said..." and He did not send them.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Folks, the bible is not going to save anyone; only the son of GOD can do that. It would be far better to not have ever read the bible and do the will of GOD, than to have studied it all one's life and not do the will of GOD.

But what think ye? A [certain] man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I [go], sir: and went not. Whether of them twain did the will of [his] father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. Matthew 21:28-31

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) Romans 2:14-15

That said, it is evident that obedience to the spirit is foremost.

Anyone can take the bible and make it a book of rules; but rules are not going to save anyone. However, if we intermingle in faith with the spirit as it witnesses to our hearts when we read the bible, we grow in the knowledge of faith Christ. That is only good; so it is good to read the bible with a believing heart.

That said, sound doctrine is found in the bible, and only in the bible; the spirit will only witness of things that are in the bible. However, there are many things in the bible that we don't yet understand; many mysteries are still hidden therein. Who can tell me what the 7 thunders will/have utter(ed)? or what the book of Revelation fully means? That knowledge will only come through the spirit.