Our sins were forgiven after believing in the Lord, but why do we still often sin? How can we finally escape the bondage of sin?

[Ritajanice]

◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Standard Bible Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Literal Bible Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God. King James Bible Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. New King James Version Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. New American Standard Bible No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. NASB 1995 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

 

[Ritajanice]

A Born Again is under grace.

Romans 6

English Standard Version

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Dead to Sin, Alive to God​

6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self[a] was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free[b] from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Slaves to Righteousness​

15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Godslittleservant]

A Born Again is under grace.

Romans 6

English Standard Version

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Dead to Sin, Alive to God​

6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self[a] was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free[b] from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Slaves to Righteousness​

15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Just a quick question it is off topic a little but I'm curious. In this passage you posted I am wondering which baptism is in reference according to the scriptures? Is it what you call the baptism in the holy ghost or is it the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

One thing to note here Paul goes on to say that "But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed," I wonder which standard of teaching is calling to be obeyed could it be the baptism in the name of the Jesus Christ or another one? Can you help me with this? You can private conversation me if you wish or just ignore me either way just curious?

 

[Ritajanice]

Just a quick question it is off topic a little but I'm curious. In this passage you posted I am wondering which baptism is in reference according to the scriptures? Is it what you call the baptism in the holy ghost or is it the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

One thing to note here Paul goes on to say that "But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed," I wonder which standard of teaching is calling to be obeyed could it be the baptism in the name of the Jesus Christ or another one? Can you help me with this? You can private conversation me if you wish or just ignore me either way just curious?

I would say..being “ birthed in the Spirit “...that is my interpretation of this scripture....we die when we are birthed in the Spirit , for we are Born Again...the Holy Spirit resides in our spirit , therefore from day one of our birth ( spiritual ) we start the sanctification process.

Romans 6:3-11

King James Version

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3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

You may interpret it differently.

 

[Godslittleservant]

I would say..being “ birthed in the Spirit “...that is my interpretation of this scripture....we die when we are birthed in the Spirit , for we are Born Again...the Holy Spirit resides in our spirit , therefore from day one of our birth ( spiritual ) we start the sanctification process.

You may interpret it differently.

Can you please tell me how we are to obey the command to be birthed with the spirit and while doing can you show scripture that tells how you receive the spirit?

I may interpret it differently but I want you to show me with scripture so that I can have the truth and not lean on my own understanding but what the truth of scripture is .

 

[Ritajanice]

Can you please tell me how we are to obey the command to be birthed with the spirit and while doing can you show scripture that tells how you receive the spirit?

I may interpret it differently but I want you to show me with scripture so that I can have the truth and not lean on my own understanding but what the truth of scripture is .

We don’t obey any command to be birthed in the Spirit...

God draws us to Jesus, he brings us to Godly sorrow/ repentance..he even brought me to believe in Jesus..we must believe in Jesus before the birth can take place, only God can birth us in the Spirit ...

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

This is how it happened for me above, I was born again from above...he also, testified with my spirit that I am his child / Born Again ...as he was indwelling me.

He birthed my spirit into The Holy Spirit...it’s the Holy Spirit who testifies that God is who he says he is and it’s the Holy Spirit that testifies to our spirit, all about the death of Jesus..

How else would I know I was Born Again...if the Holy Spirit hadn’t testified with my spirit that I was his child?

God’s adopted child.

Everyone’s testimony is different...as long as it’s in line with the Living word of God.

We can start another topic if you like, rather than take this one off topic.. @Godslittleservant ?

◄ John 3:6 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. New Living Translation Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. English Standard Version That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Berean Standard Bible Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. Berean Literal Bible That having been born of the flesh is flesh, and that having been born of the Spirit is spirit. King James Bible That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. New King James Version That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. New American Standard Bible That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit. NASB 1995 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

[Godslittleservant]

We don’t obey any command to be birthed in the Spirit...

God draws us to Jesus, he brings us to Godly sorrow/ repentance..he even brought me to believe in Jesus..we must believe in Jesus before the birth can take place, only God can birth us in the Spirit ...

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

This is how it happened for me above, I was born again from above...he also, testified with my spirit that I am his child / Born Again ...as he was indwelling me.

He birthed my spirit into The Holy Spirit...it’s the Holy Spirit who testifies that God is who he says he is and it’s the Holy Spirit that testifies to our spirit, all about the death of Jesus..

How else would I know I was Born Again...if the Holy Spirit hadn’t testified with my spirit that I was his child?

God’s adopted child.

Everyone’s testimony is different...as long as it’s in line with the Living word of God.

We can start another topic if you like, rather than take this one off topic.. @Godslittleservant ?

◄ John 3:6 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. New Living Translation Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. English Standard Version That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Berean Standard Bible Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. Berean Literal Bible That having been born of the flesh is flesh, and that having been born of the Spirit is spirit. King James Bible That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. New King James Version That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. New American Standard Bible That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit. NASB 1995 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

You said "We don’t obey any command to be birthed in the Spirit..." I admit I did not read any further in your reply because you already contradict the scriptures you yourself posted. Read verse 17 again it does say you obeyed the teachings on baptism he is talking about in verse 3. I agree these passages are talking about the new birth born again but it days it happened in a baptism that we obeyed so how do you
obey "be birthed in the Spirit..." please think about this and let scripture answer this for you get out of your own head for a bit and listen to what scripture is saying on this.

 

[Godslittleservant]

God draws us to Jesus, he brings us to Godly sorrow/ repentance..he even brought me to believe in Jesus..we must believe in Jesus before the birth can take place, only God can birth us in the Spirit ...

This I agree with and is proven in Acts 2 but what is needed to follow through according to scripture

 

[Ritajanice]

You said "We don’t obey any command to be birthed in the Spirit..." I admit I did not read any further in your reply because you already contradict the scriptures you yourself posted. Read verse 17 again it does say you obeyed the teachings on baptism he is talking about in verse 3. I agree these passages are talking about the new birth born again but it days it happened in a baptism that we obeyed so how do you
obey "be birthed in the Spirit..." please think about this and let scripture answer this for you get out of your own head for a bit and listen to what scripture is saying on this.

None of this makes sense.

I gave you the word of God..if you don’t understand it, I cannot help you.

I contradicted no scripture..

 

[Ritajanice]

God draws us to Jesus, he brings us to Godly sorrow/ repentance..he even brought me to believe in Jesus..we must believe in Jesus before the birth can take place, only God can birth us in the Spirit ...

This I agree with and is proven in Acts 2 but what is needed to follow through according to scripture

Being birthed in the Spirit,is like the wind....I contradicted no scripture.

Reading what you are saying above, sounds like you believe you need to follow through...therefore that is your understanding of scripture.

And you reject God’s word on how I was birthed in the Spirit....I followed through nothing..I can assure you of this....you cannot birth yourself in the Spirit...there is no commands on how to do it..as I already showed you how God births us in the Spirit.

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

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◄ John 3:6 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. New Living Translation Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. English Standard Version That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Berean Standard Bible Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. Berean Literal Bible That having been born of the flesh is flesh, and that having been born of the Spirit is spirit. King James Bible That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. New King James Version That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. New American Standard Bible That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit. NASB 1995 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

My being birthed in the Spirit lines up with scripture @Godslittleservant ....

I should concentrate on your own spiritual birth?

You’re to busy telling everyone they are wrong about the rebirth....when in reality you haven’t a clue what it means, by your own admission,LOL... @Godslittleservant

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

Not if one is living in sin they're not...

Christians are supposed to be living in righteousness not willingly or knowing doing sinful things and IF they did it wouldn't be something they knew was sinful and did it anyway... and IF a Christian did sin, they would turn away from it (Repent) immediately and confess it to the Lord asking for forgiveness immediately

But sadly, the modern day churches and ministries teach such heresies as all future sins are already forgiven and the Lord cannot even see your sin... so many think they can live in sin and still be right with the Lord.

But the be mistaken and fakin the bacon!

As a purple haired lady once said. "Where's the beef?" I hear your wisdom. No entitled babies here.

Revelation 14:9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Revelation 14:9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Who or what is this “beast”? And what is its “image” and “the mark on the forehead” and “hand” that identifies one as its worshipper?

First we have to identify our enemy….only then will we know how to avoid that “mark”.

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

So who will drink the wine of God’s “wrath” and “indignation”?
And what is this “torment with fire and brimstone” that is witnessed by the “angels” “in the presence of the Lamb”?
What is “the smoke of their torment“ that “ascends forever and ever”?

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Who are the “saints”? And why do they especially need patience in keeping the commandments of God and faith in Jesus”?

Reading scripture where you skip over the truly important information, means having only the bare bones of the story…..can you flesh it out? Do you understand what this passage is really saying?

 

[Godslittleservant]

None of this makes sense.

I gave you the word of God..if you don’t understand it, I cannot help you.

I contradicted no scripture..

I gave you the word of God if you don't understand it then I have failed to get you to see the truth

You said "'you reject God’s word on how I was birthed in the Spirit.." no in my opinion it is Gods word that reject's your view and I tried to show you why but you seem to not be able to read scriptures that show you why you are mistaken.

You said "Reading what you are saying above, sounds like you believe you need to follow through...therefore that is your understanding of scripture." see here is your problem you seem to think one scripture is dominant over the others and voids other scripture on the subject but you have to gather all scripture on said subject to get the truth of the subject and you seem to want to reject that elementary knowledge or worse think you have got it correct and can not be enlightened

You said."I followed through nothing..I can assure you of this..." yes and it shows in your replies.

You said "you cannot birth yourself in the Spirit...This I agree with only God can give the spirit.

You said "there is no commands on how to do it..as I already showed you how God births us in the Spirit." I am sorry if you showed me I missed it . The way the word of God says he gives the spirit is found in Acts 2:38 Peter tells you what to do to receive the spirit. If you have trouble believing Peter Paul echos it in Acts 19:1-5 read that it is to clear as to how the spirit is given it backs Peter to a tee and if that doesn't explain it look at Romans 6 where Paul goes into detail explaining what happens in the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ it is spelled out in the word if you would just seek the truth in the word so yes you are contradicting a lot of scripture with your view so go read the scripture I have supplied and tell me which ones are speaking falsehood or check you heart and see if maybe you are missing the teaching on born again.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

John 3
.........Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
***After this we then must;***
1John. 3: 22] And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and DO those things that are pleasing in his sight. 24] AND HE THAT KEEPETH HIS COMMANDMENTS,
DWELLETH IN HIM, AND HE IN HIM.

How then can we know what his commandments are?
John 12:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy WORD is truth.
2 Timothy 2:
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Ritajanice]

I gave you the word of God if you don't understand it then I have failed to get you to see the truth

You said "'you reject God’s word on how I was birthed in the Spirit.." no in my opinion it is Gods word that reject's your view and I tried to show you why but you seem to not be able to read scriptures that show you why you are mistaken.

You said "Reading what you are saying above, sounds like you believe you need to follow through...therefore that is your understanding of scripture." see here is your problem you seem to think one scripture is dominant over the others and voids other scripture on the subject but you have to gather all scripture on said subject to get the truth of the subject and you seem to want to reject that elementary knowledge or worse think you have got it correct and can not be enlightened

You said."I followed through nothing..I can assure you of this..." yes and it shows in your replies.

You said "you cannot birth yourself in the Spirit...This I agree with only God can give the spirit.

You said "there is no commands on how to do it..as I already showed you how God births us in the Spirit." I am sorry if you showed me I missed it . The way the word of God says he gives the spirit is found in Acts 2:38 Peter tells you what to do to receive the spirit. If you have trouble believing Peter Paul echos it in Acts 19:1-5 read that it is to clear as to how the spirit is given it backs Peter to a tee and if that doesn't explain it look at Romans 6 where Paul goes into detail explaining what happens in the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ it is spelled out in the word if you would just seek the truth in the word so yes you are contradicting a lot of scripture with your view so go read the scripture I have supplied and tell me which ones are speaking falsehood or check you heart and see if maybe you are missing the teaching on born again.

There is nothing in what you post, that’s says One is Born Again....not one.

If that’s your own understanding of how you believe God Births you in the Spirit...

I have contradicted no scripture.

I posted scripture on how God births his Born Again Children....you do not need any Bible for God to “ Birth You in the Spirit “.....you only need the “ Living Word Of God”...which you have already admitted, you don’t know what it means.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Godslittleservant .

We become Born Again as God’s word says below...you have produced NO scripture that says Born Again.....God says you must be Born Again....and it’s like the wind as the word of God says....you are the one who is adding to God’s word.....you are the one who has dismissed the word of God here...

This is how I was birthed in the Spirit...by the living word of God...I was Born from above...as his word says.

SO IS EVERYONE THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT......there is NO other way to be Born Again....unless you care to show me scripture where it says otherwise?
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John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

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◄ Romans 8 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Walking by the Spirit (Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26) 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God. 9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you. Heirs with Christ 12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Future Glory (2 Corinthians 5:1–10) 18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently. 26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. God Works in All Things (Ephesians 1:3–14) 28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. 31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us. More than Conquerors (Psalm 44:1–26) 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written: “For Your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

You said "you cannot birth yourself in the Spirit...This I agree with only God can give the spirit.

God NEVER said he can give you the Spirit?

God said you must be “ Born Again”......” Spirit Gives Birth To Spirit “.?

We must be birthed in the Spirit?

One must receive that “ LIVING “ spiritual birth.....without that, you are not HIS.

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God....then we get those spiritual eyes and ears.

 

[Ritajanice]

Can you please tell me how we are to obey the command to be birthed with the spirit and while doing can you show scripture that tells how you receive the spirit?

I may interpret it differently but I want you to show me with scripture so that I can have the truth and not lean on my own understanding but what the truth of scripture is .

You’ve said it all here.....you lean on your own understanding....which you said you don’t want to do...LOL.


If you honestly believe you are to follow orders..on how to become “ Born Again “....that’s your belief..it’s not biblical.

As God word says here...which you obviously aren’t understanding...

What is God saying below @Godslittleservant ?.....

John 3:8​

ESVThe wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
NIVThe wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.'
NASBThe wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.'
CSBThe wind blows where it pleases, and you hear its sound, but you don't know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

 

[Godslittleservant]

Ritajanice I can not respond to your post it was to long and will not let me reply it is over 1000 words and freezes upon my end says oops something went wrong

In reply to your post #56 I do not understand your point of reference it is not telling how to be born again but walking in the spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Ritajanice I can not respond to your post it was to long and will not let me reply it is over 1000 words and freezes upon my end says oops something went wrong

Try again...I had the same problem....