Perpetual virginity of Mary!

[Grailhunter]

When writing to the hebrews even we see only the mention that JESUS never sinned .
One would think if mary had never sinned , it might have been included at least once.
INSTEAD these scriptures are made clear . ALL HAVE SINNED and fallen SHORT of the GLORY OF GOD .
YOU know when paul wrote that , one would have thought , HE would have said OH but that excludes mary .
But he didnt . Fact is the only name i ever hear that never once sinned , WAS JESUS .
HOPE that helps .

So riddle me this; What made Miriam special? Why was she favored?

 

[Renniks]

Yes it does make her the Mother of God.

Motherhood is both an act and a relationship.

Mary became the mother of a divine person when she conceived him in her womb, carried him for 9 months, and gave birth to him. She has the relationship of a mother to a divine person and will have that relationship eternally.

Nope, and this isn't what the Catholic church originally taught either.

We should distinguish the term Theotokos from mother of God, because there is a subtle yet important difference. The term mother of God could be taken wrongly as implying that Mary was the source or originator of God, similar to how Juno was the mother of Vulcan in Roman mythology. Of course, Christianity teaches that God is eternal and that Jesus Christ has a pre-existent, divine nature. The idea that Mary is the mother of God in the sense that she was the source of God or somehow predated God or is herself part of the Godhead is patently unbiblical.

The term Theotokos, on the other hand, is more specific and less open to being misconstrued. Theotokos simply implies that Mary carried God in her womb and gave birth to Him. Mary was the human agent through whom the eternal Son of God took on a human body and a human nature and entered the world. The term Theotokos was a succinct expression of the biblical teaching of the Incarnation, and that is how the Council of Ephesus used the word. Mary is the “God-bearer” in that within her body the divine person of God the Son took on human nature in addition to His pre-existing divine nature. Since Jesus is fully God and fully man, it is correct to say that Mary “bore” God.

 

[Renniks]

Who said the thief on the cross was saved?

Jesus said he was going straight to paradise. Sounds like salvation to me.

 

[Renniks]

So riddle me this; What made Miriam special? Why was she favored?

Because she happened to be the one God chose.

 

[Renniks]

Interesting beliefs and I understand how you got there, put is mixture of misunderstandings.

One of the topics at the Council of Ephesus in AD 431 was the use of the Greek term Theotókos (literally, “God-bearer” or “the one who gives birth to God”) in reference to Mary.
We should distinguish the term Theotokos from mother of God, because there is a subtle yet important difference. The term mother of God could be taken wrongly as implying that Mary was the source or originator of God, similar to how Juno was the mother of Vulcan in Roman mythology. Of course, Christianity teaches that God is eternal and that Jesus Christ has a pre-existent, divine nature. The idea that Mary is the mother of God in the sense that she was the source of God or somehow predated God or is herself part of the Godhead is patently unbiblical.

 

[Mungo]

Nope, and this isn't what the Catholic church originally taught either.

We should distinguish the term Theotokos from mother of God, because there is a subtle yet important difference. The term mother of God could be taken wrongly as implying that Mary was the source or originator of God, similar to how Juno was the mother of Vulcan in Roman mythology. Of course, Christianity teaches that God is eternal and that Jesus Christ has a pre-existent, divine nature. The idea that Mary is the mother of God in the sense that she was the source of God or somehow predated God or is herself part of the Godhead is patently unbiblical.

The term Theotokos, on the other hand, is more specific and less open to being misconstrued. Theotokos simply implies that Mary carried God in her womb and gave birth to Him. Mary was the human agent through whom the eternal Son of God took on a human body and a human nature and entered the world. The term Theotokos was a succinct expression of the biblical teaching of the Incarnation, and that is how the Council of Ephesus used the word. Mary is the “God-bearer” in that within her body the divine person of God the Son took on human nature in addition to His pre-existing divine nature. Since Jesus is fully God and fully man, it is correct to say that Mary “bore” God.

The person who conceives in her womb, carries the baby for 9 months and then gives birth to that baby is the mother of that baby. Fact!

 

[Renniks]

The person who conceives in her womb, carries the baby for 9 months and then gives birth to that baby is the mother of that baby. Fact!

In the flesh, yes, but we are not talking about being the mother of someone merely in the flesh. Jesus was God eternally. Conception creates a new being in a normal pregnancy, but this was anything but normal. Jesus always existed. He was not created by the implanting of an egg within a young girl. The being that was Yeshua was also God and he has no beginning or end. His divinity knew no birth because it always was. Mary was merely the vessel to carry the God-man. Not literally the mother of God.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus said he was going straight to paradise. Sounds like salvation to me.

You know what they say about the word assume?

 

[Grailhunter]

Because she happened to be the one God chose.

You mean like dice? Nothing special about her?

 

[Renniks]

You know what they say about the word assume?

So unsaved people go to heaven? Illustrate with scripture please.

 

[bbyrd009]

Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

oh ya, i forgot Mary was in your Pantheon too

may i ask why you are even here? ty

 

[Grailhunter]

So unsaved people go to heaven? Illustrate with scripture please.

Did not say that.
Unsaved people do not go to heaven.
But who says the thief was saved?
And were in the Bible does it say Paradise is Heaven. Big on the 'is"
Where in the Bible does it say that Christ was going back and forth from Heaven and Earth after the cross and before He resurrected.

 

[Renniks]

Did not say that.
Unsaved people do not go to heaven.
But who says the thief was saved?
And were in the Bible does it say Paradise is Heaven. Big on the 'is"
Where in the Bible does it say that Christ was going back and forth from Heaven and Earth after the cross and before He resurrected.

So the thief was going to be in paradise with Jesus that same day, but it wasn't heaven? Or Jesus said he was going there but you think he was lying? I don't get what you are trying to say.

 

[Spurgeon's Girl]

Ummm......You tell me. What did Jesus say about hierarchy? I don't see anywhere that he demolished hierarchy! I see where he SUPPORTED hierarchy!

Jesus said: The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do

Mary

You must be reading some Catholic propaganda. The Bible teaches something else. Jesus spoke in the Temples and enraged the hierarchy. Threw the money changers out of the Temples. Jesus was crucified by the hierarchy and you seem to be cheering that. The Catholic hierarchy is deplorable.

 

[Renniks]

You mean like dice? Nothing special about her?

I am certain that Mary was a devout individual. But not sinless or perfect.

 

[Spurgeon's Girl]

1 Peter 3:21 specifically says baptism does save you and other verses support that vs sooooo I will believe Scripture and not you.

The thief on the cross was saved thru grace which is ALSO what The Church and Scripture teaches. If one has an opportunity to be water baptized they should just like Scripture says (Acts 2:41, Acts 8:12, Acts 22:16 Acts 10;48 etc etc) They had time to do get baptized, the thief didn't. BIG DIFFERENCE!!

The Church teaches, practices and believes Scripture. Do you?

Only if you don't understand the context. Baptism does clean anyone from their sins. It is a symbol of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It simply means I follow Christ. It is an outward statement.

Yes, I do believe the scriptures, which has been demonstrated by my ability to show that Catholics make up things that the Bible knows nothing of.

Acts 22:16 says this
Acts 22:16
16 And now, why are you delaying? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’

Now let's go to 1 Peter 3:18-22

18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 in which he also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison 20 who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared. In it a few—that is, eight people—were saved through water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you (not as the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.

So water does not save.

Acts 16

29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 He escorted them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

No mention of baptism.

But let's finish this off. A baby cannot believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Why Baptism before belief?

Heresy from Catholics

 

[amigo de christo]

So riddle me this; What made Miriam special? Why was she favored?

Well it wasnt because she never sinned . Does anyone remember what happened to miriam and WHY .
ALL have sinned . CEPT JESUS .

 

[amigo de christo]

You must be reading some Catholic propaganda. The Bible teaches something else. Jesus spoke in the Temples and enraged the hierarchy. Threw the money changers out of the Temples. Jesus was crucified by the hierarchy and you seem to be cheering that. The Catholic hierarchy is deplorable.

Yes indeed .

 

[Grailhunter]

So the thief was going to be in paradise with Jesus that same day, but it wasn't heaven? Or Jesus said he was going there but you think he was lying? I don't get what you are trying to say.

Yeshua only lies on Wednesdays.
Yeshua and the thief were headed directly to Paradise, the question is where and or what is Paradise?

 

[Grailhunter]

I am certain that Mary was a devout individual. But not sinless or perfect.

Define perfect.
Does the Bible say she was doing anything particularly devout?
Hail favored one!
Why?