Pictures of Christ 2 returns...

[Davidpt]

The picture you presented shows 3 events.

A) in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ---B) When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


Are you going to claim the same here if an AI were to generate this as one image? That A) is meaning years later and that B) is meaning years earlier?

If you used an AI to generate those 2 images of yours, here's a better idea then, have it generate 2 images pertaining to A) and B) above, and let's see you argue in the same manner you are arguing per the 2 pics you provided. Both A) and B) above require a coming in order to fulfill. One coming? Or two comings? If 2 images are made, is it going to look like the same coming, or is it going to look like 2 different comings? If the latter, does that make it two different comings then?

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus returns for His bride at the rapture.....does not physically come to earth.

He does physically come to the Earth, to the clouds of it and after that meeting he descends down to Aremageddon.

Jesus returns with His bride physically on earth... to strike down the nations and rule.

He does that right after the rapture.

27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

.....sounds pre-trib to me.

It's after the trib, not before it.

 

[Douggg]

(Roughly The Last 5 Years Of Earth's Existence)

1.) Daniel's 70 weeks or 490 literal days the Jews begin with a "Future" command to restore and build Jerusalem to Messiah, as they start planning to build the wall and street in Jerusalem, Daniel 9:24-27KJV

2.) Daniel's 70th week will see the "Future" (Man Of Sin/The Beast) make a covenant and he will proclaim to be Messiah God on Earth before the world, the 3.5 year tribulation begins, Daniel 9:24-27KJV

3.) The great tribulation will come to ending when the (Two Witnesses) are killed by the (Man Of Sin/The Beast), they lay dead in a Jerusalem street for 3.5 days, they are raised to heaven before a world watching as the final hours of earth's existence unfolds

4.) Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement as the resurrection of all takes place as the living in Christ are (Caught Up) the final judgement takes place as this earth is dissolved by the Lord's fire, Mortal takes on Immortality (In The Twinkling Of An Eye) "THE END" ETERNITY

JESUS IS THE LORD

Work on a time line chart that show how the parts to your view fit together.

 

[CrowCross]

sure it does…This is the 7th trumpet sounding!

The bible mentions several trumpets in the bible...which one are you speaking of?

 

[CrowCross]

Just as your claim of two future returns and a pre-trib rapture is "False" your depiction of the saints returning with Jesus is "False"

Why is that false? The christians that have already died come back with Jesus...to join back with their resurrected bodies and the raptured saints who haven't died yet.

 

[CrowCross]

He does physically come to the Earth, to the clouds of it and after that meeting he descends down to Aremageddon.

Now you're combining the two different accounts presented in the bible.

As you know there is no white horse in the resurrection/rapture account mentioned in 1 Thes 4.

 

[CrowCross]

Work on a time line chart that show how the parts to your view fit together.

That would be interesting to see.

 

[CrowCross]

Are you going to claim the same here if an AI were to generate this as one image? That A) is meaning years later and that B) is meaning years earlier?

Depending upon your prompt AI can draw whatever you ask.

If you had a class of 5th graders to read the 1 Thes 4 account and draw a picture...then asked a 5th grade class to read Rev 19 and draw a picture you would get 2 completely different pictures. The 2 different pictures would be similar to what is presented in the opening post.

Just as the Jews of Jesus time saw the coming of the messiah and establishing the kingdom happening in one event....and they got it wrong....you too see the return as happening in one event and get it wrong.

 

[Sel@h]

The bible mentions several trumpets in the bible...which one are you speaking of?

The 7th one when JESUS returns as King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

[CrowCross]

The 7th one when JESUS returns as King of kings and Lord of lords.

OK...you keep saying stuff with out some sort of biblical support.

Where is the verses that support your view?

 

[Sel@h]

OK...you keep saying stuff with out some sort of biblical support.

Where is the verses that support your view?

Will this verse work?

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (NKJV) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

 

[CrowCross]

Will this verse work?

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (NKJV) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

Thanks for the verse...but what trumpet?

The trumpet that summons the church is called “the trump of God,” while those in Revelation are angelic trumpets.
If you wonder why I posted that...
Here's a link that speaks of the different trumpets mentioned in the bible.
It answers the question...

Is the last trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4 the same as the seventh trumpet of Revelation?​

I think you should read it and see the differences. You might be surprised with the newer.

 

[Sel@h]

Thanks for the verse...but what trumpet?

The trumpet that summons the church is called “the trump of God,” while those in Revelation are angelic trumpets.
If you wonder why I posted that...
Here's a link that speaks of the different trumpets mentioned in the bible.
It answers the question...

Is the last trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4 the same as the seventh trumpet of Revelation?​

I think you should read it and see the differences. You might be surprised with the newer.

Thanks for the info.

Is the last trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4 the same as the seventh trumpet of Revelation?​

I believe so—yes.

 

[CrowCross]

Thanks for the info.

Is the last trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4 the same as the seventh trumpet of Revelation?​

I believe so—yes.

If you believe so, then you can call yourself a mid-tribber.

 

[ewq1938]

Now you're combining the two different accounts presented in the bible.

As you know there is no white horse in the resurrection/rapture account mentioned in 1 Thes 4.

Of course there isn't because the timeline of Rev 19 and the white horses is AFTER the resurrection and rapture.

 

[ewq1938]

If you believe so, then you can call yourself a mid-tribber.

No, the 7th and last trump sounds AFTER the trib is over not in the middle.

 

[Sel@h]

If you believe so, then you can call yourself a mid-tribber.

Sorry, but no.

 

[Davidpt]

If you believe so, then you can call yourself a mid-tribber.

If she is a midtribber that would make her a pretribber then. Midtrib and pretrib are the same thing. Both views have the rapture occuring before the time of the 42 month reign of the beast, thus great tribulation. And everyone knows that that equals pre great tribulation. Pretribbers and midtribbers aren't trying to escape non great tribulation, they are trying to escape great tribulation. No one is being forced to worship the beast or take it's mark before great tribulation. All of those things happen during great tribulation.

A Midtribber's timeline looks basically like this. The 70th week begins. There is no great tribulation happening on the earth anywhere during the first half of the 70th week.

Then in the midst of the 70th week, not to be confused with the middle of great tribulation, the rapture occurs at the beginning of great tribulation, thus pre great tribulation. The middle of great tibulation would not be in the middle of the 70th week, it would be 21 months later after the middle of the 70th week.

Midtribbers are conflating the 70th week with great tribulation. Great tribulation is not 7 years, it's 42 months. In the event you can't follow my logic then give it to an AI to explain my logic to you. I don't mind.

 

[CrowCross]

Of course there isn't because the timeline of Rev 19 and the white horses is AFTER the resurrection and rapture.

Of course it is...all pre-tribber know that. Rev 19 is 7 years after the rapture...

How long after the marriage supper of the Lamb will be the return of Jesus on His white horse?

 

[CrowCross]

Sorry, but no.

Isn't that when the book of Revelation says the trumpet judgements are? After the trumpet judgement there is the bowl judgements.
What order does your bible place the seal, trumpet and bowl judgements in?