Please explain this.
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After faith is come.... And that is precisely what this thread is about. What is faith, and is it complete, or alive, without obedience to the law?
Apparently, you really don't understand what repent means.
If you did, you'd know we're on a journey.
Paul in Romans speaks of 'the obedience of faith' and 'obedience to the faith'; but it is definitely not a works righteousness that is in view.
Don't the devils also believe in the resurrection? That wasn't what I was alluding to. What promises are we to have faith in and what actions are we to take that reflect that faith in those promises?
You're entitled to your opinion.
Abraham was RIGHT WITH GOD...Righteouis....the moment he HEARD GOD,
and obeyed Him. This was a sign that he was saved and in communion with God.
This happens in Genesis 12:1
If you believe it happened in Genesis 26...
well, you believe more in works than I do.
Ephesians 2.9 explains what works righteousness is. (I don't follow your extrapolation, though...)
I tire of this discussion.
Go ahead and do what you want to.
Don't read the N.T.
Don't obey God.
Don't do any good deeds in His name.
Sin all you want to.
Claim righteousness by your own standard.
Believe the flesh is dead...
or alive...whatever makes you happy.
Just ignore ALL that God said and go by your own rules.
I thought that would be your response... So predictable. Soon as someone mentions obedience, they immediately respond with the accusation that obedience is being used as a pretence to being justified. You do not seem to understand how justification by faith works... Nor do you understand the result.
What I can't wrap my head around is the insistence that to believe means to believe He died and so you will live forever. The gospel has become, to men, just believing one part of what Jesus said, but not all of it.
Adam and Eve were told not to do something or they would die. They didn't believe Him and so they disobeyed, and so they died. If they had believed, they would not have disobeyed.
Yet we seem to think it's okay to say we believe and so our unbelief in other areas is not counted against us. Yet if we believed, we would not be disobedient. So our disobedience proves we are liars.
It's as if we think that we have a magic talisman that has made us to be saved for believing one thing while disbelieving all else.
If I say I believe Jesus that I will live, but then disbelieve what He's said about temporal provision, have I really believed Him? I've believed Him for life but haven't believed what else He said.
I clearly see that its a deal to cheat death. I would say, and not a very clever one at that, except that its clever enough to dupe many people - the majority of Christendom even!
If I buy fire insurance, it won't cover me if I am the one who sets my own house on fire. But men say, nope, we're covered even if we DO set our own house on fire. Nothing we do can make our insurance policy of no effect.
So the insurance policy becomes: I think Jesus died to make me live forever. But the insurance policy is that He made a way for us to God. It is by Gods kindness but through trust. But we define trust as only trust that we will live forever, but not trust in all else Jesus said. Trusting all else He said is an optional addendum that we can cross out. In fact, if we refuse to cross out the addendum, we are told we have fallen from Gods kindness because we are striving to trust Him completely.
I cannot wrap my head around it. Its very hideous.
Adam and Eve were told not to do something or they would die. They didn't believe Him and so they disobeyed, and so they died. If they had believed, they would not have disobeyed.
Yet we seem to think it's okay to say we believe and so our unbelief in other areas is not counted against us. Yet if we believed, we would not be disobedient. So our disobedience proves we are liars.
It's as if we think that we have a magic talisman that has made us to be saved for believing one thing while disbelieving all else.
If I say I believe Jesus that I will live, but then disbelieve what He's said about temporal provision, have I really believed Him? I've believed Him for life but haven't believed what else He said.
I clearly see that its a deal to cheat death. I would say, and not a very clever one at that, except that its clever enough to dupe many people - the majority of Christendom even!
If I buy fire insurance, it won't cover me if I am the one who sets my own house on fire. But men say, nope, we're covered even if we DO set our own house on fire. Nothing we do can make our insurance policy of no effect.
So the insurance policy becomes: I think Jesus died to make me live forever. But the insurance policy is that He made a way for us to God. It is by Gods kindness but through trust. But we define trust as only trust that we will live forever, but not trust in all else Jesus said. Trusting all else He said is an optional addendum that we can cross out. In fact, if we refuse to cross out the addendum, we are told we have fallen from Gods kindness because we are striving to trust Him completely.
I cannot wrap my head around it. Its very hideous.
And you are very blessed to see it like that SBG.
People try to take Jesus for themselves in an unrighteous way. It's dishonest to claim Him even while disobeying His every word. But these are people who are looking to preserve their own lives...they look at Jesus as a lifeboat on a sinking ship. They want to have their place on that lifeboat guaranteed. Whereas they should be looking to help others into the boats...not themselves.
Jesus said...if we seek to save our lives...we will lose them.
But who actually listens and learns from the words of Jesus anymore???
Not modern believers...or so very few.
ScottA
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EXACTLY.
You're still on earth.
You're not in heaven yet....that is your destination.
And I happen to know what repent means.
I don't think you do.
ScottA
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Like I said, "Speak for yourself."
I am in the world, but I am not of the world. The kingdom is in me. And I know it.
I'm not one to judge souls...
But your words show a lack of understanding.
Except for you. Your old man is completely dead and you have reached perfection before us. You're a special case.
I met God too and then believed I was further along than I really was. Its a very common mistake.
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