Very simply, the law of Jesus includes the law of Moses (Matthew 5:17-20); and obedience of faith means being obedient to the promptings of the Holy Spirit, even walking according to the love of the Lord shed abroad in your heart (?).
The Law of Jesus DOES NOT include the law of Moses.
No wonder you're all mixed up.
The Law of Moses includes 613 rules and commandments.
Some are from God and some are from man.
Jesus abolished the civil law and the ceremonial law.
THE MORAL LAW or 10 commandments was NOT abolished.
Mathew 5:20 refers to the fact that we are to follow the law BETTER than the pharisees. And how is that done? We follow it with the heart and not with the mind,,,as was done in the time of the Israelites.
Your motivation concerning obedience can mean the difference between salvation and condemnation. If you are trying to earn acceptance before God, then you are expecting the Lord to owe you salvation: and the Lord will not owe you anything...see Romans 4:4.
No matter what the motivation is.....
We must obey God.
John 3:36
Those who do not obey God are doomed to loss of salvation.
Believe and obey means the same. If I believe in you, I will obey you...
If I do not believe in you, I will not obey you.
Jesus said that if we are to be His disciples we are to obey His commandments.
John 14:21
That is not exactly what I am teaching. You are taking my literal words (out of the context of the rest) and running with them.
Maybe you could start replying in such a way as to let me know TO WHAT you are replying? What exactly ARE YOU TEACHING new Christians except that it's not necessary to obey God?
I am saying that if you are truly born again of the Holy Spirit, you will obey the Lord. But not because of an imputation of an outward requirement on you. Rather, because you love Jesus (Romans 5:5, 1 John 4:19, Luke 7:36-50) for that He has saved you and given you a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 36:25-27).
What does "truly born again" mean?
Can I be fakely born again?
Doesn't born again mean born again?
Do you suppose UNBORN AGAIN persons are required to obey God?
No.
Then what are you talking about?
For those who have not entered into a relationship with Jesus, they are indeed required to obey the Lord (i.e. IT IS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO OBEY GOD); and will also find themselves unable to do so, because they do not have the inward working and power of the Holy Ghost within them.
YOU are really mixed up JBF!
This is what you posted:
For those who have not entered into a relationship with Jesus, they are indeed required to obey the Lord (i.e. IT IS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO OBEY GOD);
I'm not making a comment. Perhaps you could read that a few times and then let us know what's wrong with it.
For those who have a relationship with Jesus, the requirement is lifted, because we are forgiven of past, present, and future sin(s). Nothing can separate us from the love of God, not things present, nor things to come (and this includes present and future sin(s)). And there is a remission of sins that are past. Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord will not impute sin, Romans 4:8. Hebrews 9:12 also speaks of this principle. He has obtained eternal redemption for us.
You do love your few verses.
You never did reply to this one:
Colossians 1:21-23
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engagedin evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.
Also, perhaps you'd like to exegete:
2 Peter 2:20-22
20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
22It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
He never stopped wanting obedience. He stopped requiring it when He forgave us of past, present, and future sin(s).
So God does not REQUIRE what He wants?
I hope you'll be able to explain this to Him at the time.
Was Jesus required to obey His Father?
Are we to become like Jesus?
Are we to obey His Father?
The moment Abraham was justified was in the moment of Genesis 15:6. He had faith before that, but was not given a promise to hold on to. His leaving Ur of Chaldees was an outward working of his inward faith. But his invisible faith of believing the LORD's promise, that his seed would be as the stars in heaven, justified him in the LORD's sight. He was not justified before this. I do not know why; because it looks like he had faith before this. Maybe because in Genesis 15:6, his faith became tangible to God.
You state that Abraham's faith became tangible to God.
You mean God didn't know Abraham had faith?
I thought God was omniscient...
Abraham was justified and made righteous when he left his home of Harran in Genesis 12:1
Look it up.
See Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48.
We cannot possibly be saved by our good works. Anyone seeking to be justified by works is required to obey the whole law from conception into eternity; you would have to be born wearing tzitzit and tallit and tefilin.
This stating that one must obey ALL THE LAW if he feels he is required to obey God is a lot of nonsense.
I've gone through your verses with you several times now.
Please reply to mine. I'd like to hear your understanding of them.
I have said that the law governs us from the inside as Christians; but it no longer condemns us from the outside.
Huh?
I spend most of my time reading the Bible only. The commentary I referred you to is written by me. So don't think of it as a commentary. Think of it as what I would say to you concerning the doctrinal issue at hand.
btw, commentaries can be useful.
Sure. If you don't understand the simplicity of the bible.
Or if a specific commentary agrees with you because you both attend the same denomination.
Because while we do not need anyone to teach us (1 John 2:20, 1 John 2:27); certain people in the body of Christ have been given insight, understanding, wisdom, revelation, and knowledge that can help us in our walk. According to Ephesians 4:11-12, teachers are given to the body of Christ for the perfecting of the saints and for the edifying of the body of Christ.
Oh. I believe we DO need teachers,,,and VERY BADLY.
A theologian does not study for 8 to 10 years to get a PhD to edify us.
They do this to TEACH US.
Try it.
You'll like it.