Your first sentence made no sense of all.
What’s not to understand? You asked me how “I could say Revelation was not for ‘us’”. And I replied that I wasn’t saying that at all. I had never said that. I was saying that that’s what Dispensationals are saying. And then I went on to explain why and how I think that’s what they are doing. Could I be wrong? Possibly, but I think I made sense.
And is not the last seven years, there's at least 1000 years after.
Hmm. Rev 20 mentions the Millennium, sure. But, putting aside the debate on whether or not that timeframe is literal, or whether it’s future...any of that...let’s say it’s exactly as you say it is: something that occurs after Christ’s second coming, but before eternity is ushered in. That’s still pretty much all the info Revelation gives on it. In fact, Rev gives more detail on the new heavens and new earth than it does this “Millennium”. We know Satan will be bound from deceiving the nations, with the express intent to gather them for war against Saints, and that He will be defeated when “fire comes down from heaven”.
We also know that those who take part of the first resurrection will reign will Christ. However...this is a trait given that will also be present in eternity, one wonders if there is a distinction (Matt 25:27).
My point being, it’s all well and good to try and distract those criticising Dispensational teaching by adding the Millennium into the mix, but the Millennium is also “pushed off into the future” according to you. In many ways, it may as well be eternity itself, for those souls in the first century reading Revelation. It doesn’t change the fact that by saying all of Revelation is future, you discount those people from drawing what they clearly did from the book. You are dismissing the historical weight of it, as well as the context!
It helps us to understand what is going into day around this summer were not completely in the dark.
I’m sorry, now it’s my turn to not understand you.
It sure isn't about history. Nothing set in the book of revelation other than the condition of the seven churches, has happened yet.
Well...see...I’m not entirely sure you can back that claim up. Firstly, many, many of the scenes and events happen in heaven. Have you been given a peak into heaven lately? Know what they’re up to?
Secondly, if we look at things like the 4 horseman...the things they represent have been galloping over the earth for some time now. Surely you’ve read of Warlords, Dictators, wars, famines, diseases...you name it. Just because we live in a blessed Country does not mean the majority of the world is not suffering.
When we consider the highly symbolic nature of Revelation, then yes, we can say many things have happened. By all means, not all. Because of space limitations, and ‘cause I’m on holidays and trying to bang this out on my phone, I won’t go into it, but Revelation outright informs us at the beginning that we are to take it in symbols and images. Do try and takes those things literally is to read the book in a manner neither John nor Christ intended.
Because in John's day it told them about their problems and how fast things were sliding downhill. Before one of them of the impact what they were doing and have won their descendants. It gave them a peek into their futures after death.
John wrote revelation to that generation and every generation to come until the MK.
I have never said anything different.
None of it after the letters and seven church has happened yet.
How can you say that John wrote are Revelation to that generation and to every generation after it, if the events are only for those at the end?
And I ask this because of WHAT the book is written FOR. It is written, specifically, for a Christian audience who is undergoing severe persecution for their faith. It is written, specifically, to SHOW...in images, since these things cannot be put into words, what was happening in heaven, around the throne of God, to show that in everything, God is triumphing and his purposes are prevailing. That his people, though perishing, are reigning with Christ in fine linen, singing joyfully amongst the angels. It shows a battle, between the spiritual forces of good and evil that has already been won.
These are the great themes of Revelation, and they are pertinent for every suffering generation, because this is a battle that takes place every generation. The war will wage until the end. Yes, Revelation describes the end, but it also describes The interim and the beginning.
When Dispensationalist claim that from the letters onward it only speaks of that last generation, you may as well have had John write to those churches (and all the ones after)...’never mind, chin up...or not, God will probably come through in the end. But that’s not now, so carry on.’
No! Even as we struggle there are forces behind us triumphing! And I know Dispensationalist agree with this, I just don’t know why they can’t see Revelation as saying this!
And no, this world does not and at the second coming. It ends up 1000 years later after the MK.
Satan is not cast into the pit until the second coming when it is 100% clear he will be there for 1000 years and then will be released to make a war on Jerusalem again and that is when the world will.
You're so busy trying to fight against the rapture and dispensationalism that your arguments make no sense.
2 Peter 3:10 would sort of disagree with you. Peter tells us that when that day comes, when Christ returns, the heavens and earth will pass away with a roar and be burned up.
Well, I suppose it’s subjective. Because it’s not the Rapture or even “Dispensationalists” that I object to, its the gap-filled logic that fills their doctrine. I know many Dispensationalists, my Grandparents were, and man, they’re all just GOOD people. But they’re all just so
locked onto this doctrine and idea, that it’s like they can’t see these holes. They don’t even want to discuss them, and they certainly haven’t been able to answer them. They seem to think repeating their punchlines over and over should do the trick, but they’re fundamentally missing the problem: what they say doesn’t fit with scripture. It’s not there in context, it’s not there grammatically and it’s not there historically and in genre typology.
