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Preterism's Claim Of 70AD Fulfillment Is Silenced In One Verse, Luke 21:35

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Truth7t7, Sep 10, 2021.

  1. Truth7t7

    Truth7t7 Well-Known Member

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    If the scripture stated an infant dies at one trillion years would that be more helpful?

    Your suggestion that its literal death is unfounded, it's explaining the eternal New Heaven, Earth,Jerusalem, the parallel teaching is in Revelation 21:1-5 no more death, the former is passed away, no more crying etc (Eternal)

    Verse 20 below describes the eternal, as the infant and old will be the same, dying 100 year old isnt literal as you suggest

    If you have a problem understanding the reading, refer back to verse 17 that states

    (For, Behold I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

    Isaiah 65:17-25KJV
    17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
    18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
    19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
    20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
    21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
    22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
    23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
    24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
    25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

    Revelation 21:1-5 below would be a "Parallel" teaching of Isaiah 65:17-20

    Revelation 21:1-5KJV
    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Looks as if they still be making babies as well.
     
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    @Waiting on him Well, in a totally different context, I've heard a similar expression about trying to talk to JWs....
     
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    I think we all make a mistake when trying to piece together prophecy and it’s akin to if we were to try to mash together Isaiah 61, verse 2 into one event/timeframe. We don’t know where the stops are. God does, but we don’t. We don’t know where one timeframe being spoken of stops and another timeframe starts. And sometimes, if our mind can’t make sense of it, we argue over which thing is correct, just like they did in the OT times - read for yourself and see that no prophet comes out of Galilee!
     
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    without any longer marrying.??? Gasp!
     
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  6. Truth7t7

    Truth7t7 Well-Known Member

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    A Compliment And Badge Of Honor, The Pharisees Said The Same About My Lord Jesus Christ

    Luke 21:15-18KJV
    15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
    16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
    17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
    18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
     
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    You seem to have a very arbitrary way of proclaiming what prophecy is literal and what prophecy is symbolic and it seems to be based on your own understanding. It’s sort of weird, as if you saw an orca and said, oh look, a black and white animal, so it’s clearly obvious it’s a zebra…
     
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    It’s like, I have no idea what you’ll say next, maybe…I own the cattle on a thousand hills obviously means there are only a thousand hills on earth.
     
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    But then there are those who think it’s all symbolic and NONE of prophecy will literally happen. Even though God said it will all happen just like He told the prophets.
     
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    Do you deny Isaiah 65:17-19 & Revelation 21:1-5 represents the same eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem?
     
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    Are you kidding me you still didn’t answer the question okay I’m out

    In my 8 years of doing this I have never seen anything like this avoiding a question over and over again
     
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    No, I do not deny that.
    But I do not think you have all the pieces you think you have.
     
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    Marty the Pharisees speaking represents the unsaved wicked, and their words have nothing to do with biblical truth, "the world is gone after him", they were speaking with the mouth of their father the devil, lies

    John 12:19KJV
    19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.

    Jesus Speaking To The Scribes And Pharisees

    John 8:44KJV

    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
     
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    Yes Isaiah 65:17-19 & Revelation 21:1-5 represents the very same New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

    And Revelation 21:4 below clearly teaches you (There Shall Be No More Death) scripture interprets itself before your eyes, and the infant dying a hundred years isn't literal, but represents eternal in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

    From the Christian you claim is seeing Orcas as Zebras, Jesus Is The Lord

    Revelation 21:1-5KJV
    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
     
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    So in Luke Jesus is speaking you, but in John He’s speaking to the Jews of that age?

    How do you decide?
     
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    Where does it state John was speaking below as you claim??

    John 12:19KJV
    19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
     
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    Since you never could answer @Marty fox post. I got to thinking I’d give you another opportunity.
     
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    John 18:20 KJV
    [20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
    So we know that there was no information technology at this time, so was Jesus speaking to the whole world or is the word world a reference to the Jews of that time?
     
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    The Pharisees speaking represents the unsaved wicked, and their words have nothing to do with biblical truth, "the world is gone after him", they were speaking with the mouth of their father the devil, lies

    John 12:19KJV
    19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.

    Jesus Speaking To The Scribes And Pharisees

    John 8:44KJV

    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
     
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    In John 18 verse 20 Jesus Himself says He spoke openly to the world.

    I do wish you’d help me solve the mystery as to who the world is?
     
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