PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

[David in NJ]

I certainly cannot disprove scripture.

Every time you claim 'pre-trib' rapture you speak directly against the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matt 24:29-31 - “Immediately after the tribulation of those days........I Come"

Pre-wrath rapture is 100% Pure TRUTH

 

[The Light]

Every time you claim 'pre-trib' rapture you speak directly against the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matt 24:29-31 - “Immediately after the tribulation of those days........I Come"

Pre-wrath rapture is 100% Pure TRUTH

There are two raptures. One before the tribulation and one before the wrath of God.

You better get some understanding soon. Real soon. He is at the doors.

Who are the foolish virgins that are not watching and ready?

 

[David in NJ]

There are two raptures. One before the tribulation and one before the wrath of God.

You better get some understanding soon. Real soon. He is at the doors.

Who are the foolish virgins that are not watching and ready?

These are only your words which contradict God's words.

Please post the scripture that directly declares a pre-trib rapture that occurs BEFORE His 2nd Coming and BEFORE the Resurrection.

 

[WPM]

LOL,
You are slow to understand the answer.

Can you show a scripture where Jesus changes water into wine, heals someone and then is raised from the dead?

Exactly. You have nothing. Your doctrine is a extra-biblical Jesuit invention. You have zero proof. Nada! Nothing!

 

[WPM]

There are two raptures. One before the tribulation and one before the wrath of God.

You better get some understanding soon. Real soon. He is at the doors.

Who are the foolish virgins that are not watching and ready?

What happens to them? They're destroyed when He comes. That's what happens to all the wicked. There's no one left to populate your imaginary tribulation.

 

[WPM]

I certainly cannot disprove scripture. What I can do is prove you are in error in your beliefs.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The scripture you quoted occurs at the 6th seal. Jesus returns to gather the elect from heaven and earth prior to the wrath of God. The 7th seal is the wrath of God. Please quote what you believe and I will dispatch it. WPM knows I will, which is why he was afraid.

Isaiah 34:1-4, 8: “Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree … For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.”

There is total destruction – for those left behind. Anyway, demons are not dissolved in Premil, they saturate its alleged future millennium 1,000 yrs after the second coming.

Revelation 6:13-17 records: “And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, andhide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

This is talking about the topography of the physical earth and starry host being totally destroyed. There are no survivors!

Isaiah 34 is speaking about the physical change that affects the earth, heavens and elements when Jesus comes. Premil has to often change the meaning of Hebrew and Greek words in order to get that doctrine to fit. Premil explains away the literal meaning of text after text and replaces with its alternative definition. This is not the way that Scripture should be approached. This is classic eisegesis. There is so much Scripture that forbids the Premil theory that Premil is forced to spiritualize away the clearest and most literal of Scripture, ironically it literalizes the one book that is the most symbolic in Scripture (Revelation). This alone is grounds to reject the doctrine.

 

[rebuilder 454]

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks

From the decree to rebuild Jerusalem unto Messiah the prince is 69 weeks.

After 69 weeks the Messiah is cut off. Jesus is not cut off when He is revealed as the Lamb of God. He is cut off after that, 3 and a half years later when He is crucified.

There are only 3.5 years left of the 70th week.

That does not work.
The aod is in the middle of the 70th week.

The 7 yr trib ....then the aod 3.5 yrs into the trib.