Prophets

[Frank Lee]

LOOK dave, you speak as a man still in the flesh. no need to contuine futher.... ok.

By discernment you can see so many like this on this forum and others. You can smell "dead dogma" just as roadkill. They attempt by scripture to prove other scripture in error. They fight against God but are so steeped in doctrines of men they are blinded.

Only God can get through to them and he will not force them.

They are the starving skinny cows, ever learning but NEVER able to come to the knowledge of the truth. They believe other men instead of God. This is why God chooses the Amoses of the world and not the leaders of the sanhedrin.

 

[Dave L]

We've already shown from scripture the gifts came only through the two outpourings or through the hands of an apostle. Scripture mentions no other means of distribution. This is to say they expired with the apostles. But scripture also says they expired with the coming (revelation) of Jesus in the ad 90s.


Paul says; “so that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ; who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye be unreproveable in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, through whom ye were called into the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1 Corinthians 1:7–9)


Notice, when Jesus is revealed he will also confirm us to the end, placing his revelation before the end. So this Revelation is not at the end of the world as many say.


The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;” (Revelation 1:1)


John uses the same Greek word as Paul speaking of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.


602. ἀποκάλυψις apŏkalupsis, ap-ok-al´-oop-sis; from 601; disclosure:—appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation.

Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 1, p. 14).


So John's book of Revelation is the same revelation Paul spoke of. Telling believers to come behind in any gift until then.

 

[Episkopos]

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. OTHER WORDS GOD DON'T TAKE IT BACK.

Word.

 

[101G]

Produce scripture to support your claims. Opinion is not enough.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[101G]

All believers are baptized in the Holy Spirit. But certain gifts expired with the Apostles who distributed them through their hands.

ERROR,
1Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

 

[Dave L]

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

All believers have the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9) (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave L]

ERROR,
1Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

“He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Galatians 3:5) (KJV 1900)

 

[101G]

Notice, when Jesus is revealed he will also confirm us to the end, placing his revelation before the end. So this Revelation is not at the end of the world as many say.


The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;” (Revelation 1:1)


John uses the same Greek word as Paul speaking of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

I'm glad you said this. is JESUS revealed to you? ..... let's see.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

dave who sent his angel to John, read Rev 22:6 first before you answer. now who sent "HIS" angel.

was it the Father whom you call God, or the Son whom you call God.

answer please.

 

[Dave L]

I'm glad you said this. is JESUS revealed to you? ..... let's see.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

dave who sent his angel to John, read Rev 22:6 first before you answer. now who sent "HIS" angel.

was it the Father whom you call God, or the Son whom you call God.

answer please.

You are missing the point. The Revelation of Jesus Christ was the Revelation of Jesus Christ Paul spoke of that marked the end of gift seeking.

 

[101G]

nope you missed the point, if he's revealed then as you said, the gifts are ended. so are he revealed? hence my question. so can you answer the question, "who sent "HIS" angel to John. read Rev 22:6 first.

your answer please. the one whom you calls the Father, or the Son.

if you cannot answer, that's ok. but give it a try...

last chance to see if the Gifts stop

 

[Dave L]

nope you missed the point, if he's revealed then as you said, the gifts are ended. so are he revealed? hence my question. so can you answer the question, "who sent "HIS" angel to John. read Rev 22:6 first.

your answer please. the one whom you calls the Father, or the Son.

if you cannot answer, that's ok. but give it a try...

last chance to see if the Gifts stop

But, John calls it the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Paul says, when you see the Revelation of Jesus Christ (the book John wrote), stop seeking the gifts.

 

[101G]

But, John calls it the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Paul says, when you see the Revelation of Jesus Christ (the book John wrote), stop seeking the gifts.

see dave is the LORD JESUS is revealed to "YOU".

and you can place that with anyone, "YOU" is he revealed to "THEM" if that are asked it's "YOU" the individual,

now is the LORD "JESUS" revealed to "YOU". is yes, then answer the question and we'll see if the LORD JESUS is revealed to "YOU"...

your answer please.

 

[Ac28]

Christ WAS a prophet during His earthly ministry, 2000 years ago. He has been hid in God since a little before 70AD and has not uttered a Word. After His ascension, the only person He appeared to, as is recorded, was Paul in his many special revelations he received. That stopped in about 68AD, or thereabouts.

I rarely agree with Dave but, in this case, I do agree that there is zero prophecy today. Not only are there no prophets, no OT prophecy has been fulfilled in about 1950 years. All OT prophecy revolves around Israel and Israel hasn't been a nation, in God's eyes,since about 64AD. Israel will be back in full swing, in 2 "days" (2000 years), Hos 6:2, about 2064.

Anyone that claims to be a prophet is a liar, with no exceptions. We that are living today are different than those living before Act 28:28, in that we have the COMPLETE Word of God, the Bible. Every Word God ever meant for us is in the Bible. Paul's dispensation of the mystery, found only in his post-Acts books, fulfilled (filled full, filled to the brim, completed) the Word of God. (see "fulfil" in Col 1:25). True prophets speak the Word of God. Since God's Word was completed in the scriptures, prophecy is impossible. For the same reason, it's also impossible that ANY oral traditions are inspired and all these are dung, at best.

 

[Dave L]

see dave is the LORD JESUS is revealed to "YOU".

and you can place that with anyone, "YOU" is he revealed to "THEM" if that are asked it's "YOU" the individual,

now is the LORD "JESUS" revealed to "YOU". is yes, then answer the question and we'll see if the LORD JESUS is revealed to "YOU"...

your answer please.

You cannot wiggle out of this. Scripture says come behind in no gift until the Revelation of Jesus Christ, who shall also confirm you to the end (of the world). And John received the Revelation of Jesus Christ on Patmos. The exact same words used by Paul.

 

[101G]

see dave you don't know who the Lord Jesus is, (no revealition). now this is the LAST chance. who sent "his" angel to John was it the One whom you calls the Father,God, or the Son whom you call God.

now if you KNOW then we will see if the gifts ceased.

don't strikeout ...... ok.

 

[Episkopos]

Christ WAS a prophet during His earthly ministry, 2000 years ago. He has been hid in God since a little before 70AD and has not uttered a Word. After His ascension, the only person He appeared to, as is recorded, was Paul in his many special revelations he received. .

IOW in your world Christ is only someone that is talked about in the bible. This is a very sad testimony. Too many modern "believers" have no testimony of Christ.

It would be better to say...I have no experience of Christ as compared with the testimony in the bible.

If Jesus had not called me personally...with His own voice...I would not be following Him today. I'm sure that there are others even here who have heard His voice...and seen Him.

Jesus Christ is not mute. But it takes spiritual ears (circumcision) to hear Him.

I can go on the street and ask any passerby if they have ever heard Jesus speak to them...and they will say they haven't. So then a lack of hearing is NOT any kind of basis to build anything resembling church. Quite the opposite.

My sheep know My voice. (Know is by experience)

 

[101G]

dave, it's a easy question to answer, I'll help you out, this is what the angel said to John. listen,
Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

alright dave who is the Lord God of the holy prophets?

 

[Dave L]

see dave you don't know who the Lord Jesus is, (no revealition). now this is the LAST chance. who sent "his" angel to John was it the One whom you calls the Father,God, or the Son whom you call God.

now if you KNOW then we will see if the gifts ceased.

don't strikeout ...... ok.

Scripture says you are wrong on all counts. You can fuss and moan all you want but it won't change what is written.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

That's what the LDS church believes.

Yes, that's part of the many reasons Im an LDS Christian.

The real issue is, that if that is true, why is the LDS church at odds with Bible Christianity (and I am not including False Christianity in that)?

The core of being a Christian is accepting Christ, the Son of God, as your Savior and Lord. Being His disciple.

Past that core you have disagreements on about every subject (as seen on this board). Yes, Catholic Christians understand things different than Calvinist Christians than Methodist Christians than LDS Christians than Orthodox Christians than Non-denom Christians, etc.

 

[Dave L]

Yes, that's part of the many reasons Im an LDS Christian.

The core of being a Christian is accepting Christ, the Son of God, as your Savior and Lord. Being His disciple.

Past that core you have disagreements on about every subject (as seen on this board). Yes, Catholic Christians understand things different than Calvinist Christians than Methodist Christians than LDS Christians than Orthodox Christians than Non-denom Christians, etc.

But your creeds are OK and the rest are "man made".