Purpose of the Millennium

[n2thelight]

Let's go over this again. Rev 20 does NOT state that ALL evil will be gone. That ALL of Satan's influence will be null and void. I mean...does it? Can you show me in Rev 20 where it says any of that?
I can show you in Rev 20 where it tells us rather specifically that Satan will be bound (a synonym for restricted by the way) against 'deceiving the nations'. Not 'doing all evil and harm against humanity'. Nope, "deceiving the nations". In fact, it tells us more. "Deceiving the nations to gather them to war"...war against whom? The saints. That would be us...the people of God.
So, basically Rev 20 is telling us Satan will be bound against wiping Christians off the face of the planet...or making a pretty good go of it by uniting all nations together against us. We're still here, are we not? Hmmm...that could make one think that Satan had not been able to do this yet, wouldn't it?

Gonna try an explain this for you.When Christ feet touch down on the Mount of Olives all of satans followers,ie,his angels will die,meaning they gone,no white throne judgement 4 them as they've already been judge ,these are the below

Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Within the hour, the earthquake that is going to split the mount of Olives will take place. A way, or path will be made for Christ's children to make it back to Him.

Why would God kill 7000 men at this moment? Those are the angels of Satan will die at this time, all of them. They are the men that God will kill. Satan's time for his story telling is over, and all those fallen angels helping him will be destroyed.

The "remnant" that is of God's election will give glory to God because it is over. The tribulation, the testing, these flesh bodies, and this earth age of the flesh will be over. Friend, this is not something that is centuries into the future, but in a matter of a few years. We are living in this final generation.

Now let's see how this world will be without satans influence

Isaiah 14:16 "They that see thee shall shall narrowly look upon the, and consider thee, saying. "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"

These are all those people that considered themselves to be Christians and were part of the rapture doctrine that shall look upon Satan in the pit. They are going to see Satan there and think on what they have done, and how they have been deceived. Satan will play the role of man, the Son of God, and the entire earth will believe him and be deceived, all that is except God elect, and those sealed in their minds with the truth before Satan's coming. Today Satan is doing much of his work from the pulpits of churches that are deep in the traditions of men. Today the message going forth from most pulpits is based on man's traditions and not the Word of God.

At Christ's return ALL shall be changed sinner and saint alike ,the difference is in the state of the soul those in Christ have no more worries as they took part in the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Those who took part in the first resurrection were those who died in the Lord, and those who did not yield to Satan, the Antichrist during his "one world" reign. Those who did not take the Antichrist's "mark of the beast", these are the blessed and holy ones. All of these people already will possess an immortal soul during the Millennium.

The "second death" is the second time of testing at the end of the Millennium age after Satan is released for a short season. The saints of Christ, and overcomers of the Antichrist's reign in this earth age of the flesh will not go through the second testing, or resurrection, with those mortal souls living in the Millennium age.

What are you going to do in the Millennium as a saint of Christ? You're going to be priests of God, and reign with Him. You are going to teach and oversee, and judge those mortal souls, as they will learn and follow all directives of our Lord Jesus Christ.

At the end of the millennium satan will be released to test those mortal souls

Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

When everyone has been taught who are in their mortal (liable to die) soul bodies, then Satan will be loosed. Those teachings will have been given under perfect conditions, and all will have bodies with no ailments, perfect thought, and no temptations by Satan. In fact, all will know he was the deceiver of this earth age. Their understanding will be perfect.

Then Satan is released.

God is a God of love, and His love is shown by his great patience and understanding of the shortcomings of mankind. There will be no one who goes to hell, and is burned by ignorance. If someone follows Satan then, they deserve what they have coming. There will be many that will still follow Satan even with the full knowledge of the truth in their minds.

The purpose of the millennium is for those who overcame to teach those that didn't,again we ALL shall be in spiritual bodies

Those that didn't overcome although changed,are called the dead

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.

Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age, souls are judged by works only.

Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.

To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.

Therein lies the purpose of the millennium,to teach those that were deceived and fell short

 

[n2thelight]

That might hold weight IF you could, in any way, prove that 'the end' was 'the millennium'.

But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. -1 Corinthians 15:23–26

This passage tells us that the Kingdom...the Kingdom we are currently IN, will come to an end "at his coming". It is at this time "when he delivers it to his Father AFTER destroying every rule and authority and power". And you know what the last power was? It was the one he took out AT his return....it was death. And AT it's final defeat, an earthly Millennium became impossible.

Noooo,you have it wrong, the kingdom becomes His at His return ,but he doesn't hand it over until after the millennium ,please understand,we have a Day of Christ which is the millennium,and we have a Day of God,which is after the millennium,when the full God head comes here to this earth forever!!!

I Corinthians 15:24 "Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power."

At the very end of the Millennium age, the Son will deliver His Kingdom up to the Father. At the time of the Judgment God will put an end to all the rule and all power and authority that Satan will have on this world, or anywhere. That is when God will send Satan and all his realm and all evil and those that chose to follow him into the lake of fire.

 

[n2thelight]

When satan arrives pretending to be Christ ,some of those who are in Christ will follow him,not to mention the rest of the world, christians will go from virgins to whores rest of the world are already whores....

This how they gonna feel when the true Christ returns

Revelation 9:6 "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

Many people who have sat in church all their lives looking for this "Rapture" to take place, in an instant will fall to Satan. When they finally wake up to the fact that they were deceived by Satan, the shame will be great and on them. These are those deceived Christians taken out of season who will pray for the mountains to fall on them. They will seek death, but it will not come. The death of this physical life will be over, and then all will be in the spirit, or soul body.

This is what these same people will say later

Revelation 6:16 "And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

 

[Naomi25]

Gonna try an explain this for you.When Christ feet touch down on the Mount of Olives all of satans followers,ie,his angels will die,meaning they gone,no white throne judgement 4 them as they've already been judge ,these are the below

Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Thank you for taking the time to explain how you see these things.
However, I must question your conclusion that 'evil' men won't experience the final, white throne judgement. And I question that based on scripture of this event. The bible gives us two passages that look at the final judgement, the ultimate throne that all must stand before. The two passages look at it from the standpoint of those who are still alive when Christ return, and those who are dead when he returns. Both groups of people have saved people and unsaved people in them...which I believe should cover every single person who ever was or ever will be.

The Final Judgment
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats...And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
-Matthew 25:31–32,45

Judgment Before the Great White Throne
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. -Revelation 20:11–15

So, regardless if someone has 'died' before the events of Rev 20, they still must stand before the throne and be judged.

Within the hour, the earthquake that is going to split the mount of Olives will take place. A way, or path will be made for Christ's children to make it back to Him.

Why would God kill 7000 men at this moment? Those are the angels of Satan will die at this time, all of them. They are the men that God will kill. Satan's time for his story telling is over, and all those fallen angels helping him will be destroyed.

The problem I have here is that while Rev 11:13 tells us that indeed there will be an earthquake, there is nothing in the text that speaks of a path being made for Christ's children to be able to go to him. There is also nothing that says that the men killed at the time of the earthquake are, in fact, fallen angels. Both are assumptions from the text, assumptions you have not, as far as I can see, backed up with other scripture. That leaves the premise suspect in my eyes.

The "remnant" that is of God's election will give glory to God because it is over. The tribulation, the testing, these flesh bodies, and this earth age of the flesh will be over. Friend, this is not something that is centuries into the future, but in a matter of a few years. We are living in this final generation.

Again, you make assumptions that the text just doesn't say. We aren't told that the people who give glory to God are the remant. In fact, the text seems to lean in the direction of these people 'giving glory' to being the very ones who gloated over the death of the Witnesses.
There is nothing in this particular text that gives you leave to assume that 'the tribulation, the testing, the flesh bodies and the earth age' is over. Indeed, the passage finishes with "the second woe has passed; behold, the third woe is soon to come."
Is that not the very definition of "to be continued...."?

Now let's see how this world will be without satans influence

Isaiah 14:16 "They that see thee shall shall narrowly look upon the, and consider thee, saying. "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"

These are all those people that considered themselves to be Christians and were part of the rapture doctrine that shall look upon Satan in the pit. They are going to see Satan there and think on what they have done, and how they have been deceived. Satan will play the role of man, the Son of God, and the entire earth will believe him and be deceived, all that is except God elect, and those sealed in their minds with the truth before Satan's coming. Today Satan is doing much of his work from the pulpits of churches that are deep in the traditions of men. Today the message going forth from most pulpits is based on man's traditions and not the Word of God.

Oh, please! Isaiah 14 is specifically about the renmant of Israel taunting its opressor Babylon. It is amongst a series of oracles, one for Babylon/Ayssria (13:1-14:27), another for Philistia (14:28-32), then for Moab (15:1-16:14), then Damascus/Israel (17:1-18:7) and finally Egypt (19:1-20:6).These oracles are specifically to show God's sovereignty over all nations on earth.
It has nothing to do with a Millennial Kingdom, Satan being bound or any of the rather strange things you've put above. None I really understand, I must confess. Satan will 'play the role of man, the Son of God'? Is this your way of saying he is Antichrist?

At Christ's return ALL shall be changed sinner and saint alike ,the difference is in the state of the soul those in Christ have no more worries as they took part in the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Those who took part in the first resurrection were those who died in the Lord, and those who did not yield to Satan, the Antichrist during his "one world" reign. Those who did not take the Antichrist's "mark of the beast", these are the blessed and holy ones. All of these people already will possess an immortal soul during the Millennium.

That sounds good, but again, I'm not following your biblical trail. You seem to start off with a scripture, which is all well and good, but then leap off into the tall grass.
I agree that the 'first resurrection' is most likely those who have been 'made alive' in Christ, due to the many verses in the NT that speak those very words in regards to what happens to a believer when he becomes united to Christ (Eph 2:5-6; Col 2:13; John 5:24; Rom 6:13-14; 2 Tim 1:10).

However, there is a great difference between having a soul that has passed from life to death, and receiving our new, glorified bodies; which is the promise we have when Christ returns. There is no doubt that when he does, these new, spiritual bodies, as Paul calls them, will be given to us (1 Cor 15:50-55; 1 Thess 4:16-17). So...again, I am left wondering how any so-called Millennium can be 'populated' by people who have either been sent to hell at the judgement at Christ's return (Matt 25:31-32,35; Rev 20:11;15), or escape recieving their new, glorified bodies, also at Christ's return (1 Cor 15:24-55). And if everyone IN the Millennium HAS these new bodies, doesn't that discount most of what the Millennium is about?

 

[Naomi25]

The "second death" is the second time of testing at the end of the Millennium age after Satan is released for a short season. The saints of Christ, and overcomers of the Antichrist's reign in this earth age of the flesh will not go through the second testing, or resurrection, with those mortal souls living in the Millennium age.

Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. -Revelation 20:14–15

Again, you seem to be making leaps and assumptions the text itself doesn't. It simply tells us that Death, and Hades, are at this time thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire IS the second death. And anyone NOT in Christ (in the book of life) is thrown into the lake of fire.
There is no mention of a millennial age. No mention of testing, of immortal souls or the like. What it DOES mention, that we might speculate on, is death. This is when we see the death of death. The final destruction of death, the final defeat of death. Where else in scripture do we see this? 1 Cor 15: 24-55. And not so coincedentally, this also happens to be the same time that Christ returns, hands the Kingdom over to his Father and gives us our new, glorified bodies. Which ensures that death is most certainly defeated!
And in Revelation, this picture of deaths final defeat is spoken of AFTER the 1000 years. Which is interesting, don't you think? It matches 1 Cor 15 perfectly. the 1000 years is now, Christ is ruling now! Eph 1:20 TELLS us this outright! 1 Cor 15 tells us that AT Christ's return, and AT the defeat of death, he hands this Kingdom over to the Father.

What are you going to do in the Millennium as a saint of Christ? You're going to be priests of God, and reign with Him. You are going to teach and oversee, and judge those mortal souls, as they will learn and follow all directives of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I already am a Priest of God. Which suits the point that the Millennium is now, I suppose, doesn't it?


But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. -1 Peter 2:9


To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. - Revelation 1:5–6


and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.” -Revelation 5:10

And here's a question: if when Christ returns, all are judged into either hell (Matt 25:31-32,35; Rev 20:11;15), or given their new, glorifed bodies (1 Cor 15:24-55) in which to spend eternity with him with....just whom are we supposed to be 'ruling over and teaching' in this period? Who is the Millennium is populated by?

At the end of the millennium satan will be released to test those mortal souls

But wait...you still haven't explained to me HOW 'mortal souls' are even IN the Millennium. You state that at Rev 11, at this 'earthquake' that Christ's 'remnant' will be 'done with' their flesh body. Now...as I said above, I don't see Rev 11 saying the earthquake is 'the end', nor it speaking about the 'remnant'. However, we CAN see elsewhere that AT Christ's return, all will be judged, both dead and alive (Matt 25:31-32,35; Rev 20:11;15), and those who belong to Christ will, AT his return, be given their new bodies (1 Cor 15:24-55). So...I cannot see HOW you arrive at the conclusion that there will be ANY 'mortal souls' who go into, or out of, an earthly Millennium.

Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

When everyone has been taught who are in their mortal (liable to die) soul bodies, then Satan will be loosed. Those teachings will have been given under perfect conditions, and all will have bodies with no ailments, perfect thought, and no temptations by Satan. In fact, all will know he was the deceiver of this earth age. Their understanding will be perfect.

What does this even mean? "When everyone has been taught who are in their mortal soul bodies"? You then go on to describe these people being 'taught' to have pretty much 'perfect' conditions. This is NOT biblical. It cannot be found in the bible. There is no varience from the sinful human condition that is not what we are now...or what we will become when glorified.
The restriction of Satan, even if it were a complete restriction, by no means takes away the sinful bent of the human heart. And it most certainly doesn't assure perfect surroundings like perfect nature, perfect health, perfect thought and perfect understanding. The only time these things will be there for us is when we are completely sin free; in glorification.
The rest you are making up from fancy. There exists no time period inbetween now and eternity where such a state exists in us.

Then Satan is released.

God is a God of love, and His love is shown by his great patience and understanding of the shortcomings of mankind. There will be no one who goes to hell, and is burned by ignorance. If someone follows Satan then, they deserve what they have coming. There will be many that will still follow Satan even with the full knowledge of the truth in their minds.

The purpose of the millennium is for those who overcame to teach those that didn't,again we ALL shall be in spiritual bodies

Those that didn't overcome although changed,are called the dead

As I said before, becoming spiritually alive in Christ, is NOT the same as recieving our new, glorified bodies. Paul called them spiritual bodies, as opposed to natural bodies, but we are still talking about a physical thing. A body that is physical, and yet perfect and sin free. Right now, we are alive spiritually in Christ, but our flesh and our minds still suffers from sin.

So, to say that 'ALL' will be in spiritual bodies in the Millennium, is a little misleading. I'm getting, from what you've said elsewhere, that you also believe these 'spiritual' bodies will be perfect in many ways. The problem with this, as I've said, is that you can't find this in scripture. When you find any place that talks about a sinfree condition, it is talking about the eternal, glorified bodies that we will receive at Christ's return.

So, it's either one, or the other, but both is a problem for you. To have people in a sinful state in the Millennium (spiritually alive in Christ but still in natural bodies) you'd have to sneak them past Christ's return. To have them in glorified bodies, you immediately have to place them within eternity, not the Millennium.

 

[Naomi25]

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.

Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age, souls are judged by works only.

I agree with you that there are two separate books, the book of life holds Christians, the other book holds the unsaved.
However, surmizing that people in 'the great white throne judgment' are judged upon works' is faulty. We are told repeatedly in scripture that there is only one name under heaven that we might be saved; Jesus Christ. There is nothing to suggest that this changes. A person MUST come to Christ to be saved.
However, throughout the NT, we see multiple instances where judgement or reward comes down to works. And this is exactly what we see here. The names of people are already IN the books. Salvation or damnation is already alotted to these people based on their faith in Christ or not. They are THEN judged by their works. This is completely in line with the text, if you read it. If we go with YOUR premise, we must eject much of the NT. Which I am unwilling to do.

Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.

To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

For all the reasons I have given above, I do not believe there WILL be an earthly Millennium. And therefore I DO believe that every sinful human being alive, in history, now or in the future, will need grace. Through faith. There IS no suggestion in the bible that this will change. At all. In this age, or any that may come.

If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.

Therein lies the purpose of the millennium,to teach those that were deceived and fell short

No true Christian will mistake the return of Christ. Indeed, it will not be the sort of event that CAN be mistaken. It will end the world, grab every Christian from their place and grant to them new, amazing bodies (1 Cor 15:24-55). And my salvation is sure, for it rests not in my own strength and understanding, but in Christs, whose strength and understanding far surpasses my own. And no Christian will be judged by works alone...for they have Christ's work to cover them. The unsaved, now...they'll be in more trouble.
I believe the Rapture is a definite thing; the bible clearly teaches it. But it is more or less moot; it will happen simultaneously with the one and only return of Christ. We can just let it happen when it happens.

 

[farouk]

As I said before, becoming spiritually alive in Christ, is NOT the same as recieving our new, glorified bodies.

Becoming spiritually alive is synonymous Biblically with being born again. (John 3; Ephesians 2).

 

[n2thelight]

However, there is a great difference between having a soul that has passed from life to death, and receiving our new, glorified bodies; which is the promise we have when Christ returns. There is no doubt that when he does, these new, spiritual bodies, as Paul calls them, will be given to us (1 Cor 15:50-55; 1 Thess 4:16-17). So...again, I am left wondering how any so-called Millennium can be 'populated' by people who have either been sent to hell at the judgement at Christ's return (Matt 25:31-32,35; Rev 20:11;15), or escape recieving their new, glorified bodies, also at Christ's return (1 Cor 15:24-55). And if everyone IN the Millennium HAS these new bodies, doesn't that discount most of what the Millennium is about?

Again all though changed they still have a mortal soul.

Oh, please! Isaiah 14 is specifically about the renmant of Israel taunting its opressor Babylon. It is amongst a series of oracles, one for Babylon/Ayssria (13:1-14:27), another for Philistia (14:28-32), then for Moab (15:1-16:14), then Damascus/Israel (17:1-18:7) and finally Egypt (19:1-20:6).These oracles are specifically to show God's sovereignty over all nations on earth.
It has nothing to do with a Millennial Kingdom, Satan being bound or any of the rather strange things you've put above. None I really understand, I must confess. Satan will 'play the role of man, the Son of God'? Is this your way of saying he is Antichrist?

Isaiah is about satan ,who do you think is in the pit?

This chapter of Isaiah is about the fall of the Babylon of Revelation, and from it comes the raising of God's children. In this chapter we will see what happens to Satan himself through the Millennium years, and we will see how God will place Satan, who is the Assyrian, in his proper place. God restores His children by defeating Satan.

Isaiah 14:1 "For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob."

"Jacob" is the natural seed, and it includes all of the tribes of both the house of Judah and the house of Israel. God will choose all of the tribes, and this is made very clear in Revelation 21, and all will be allied with Christ. Then the kings and queens of the nations [Gentile nations] will all be allied with Christ. This is the time of the Millennium age, when all people on the face of the earth will worship Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Jesus Christ will establish His kingdom right here on earth, or where ever God is, there heaven is, and Jesus will rule His kingdom from mount Zion in Jerusalem. The "strangers" are the Gentiles, and God has a love for all of His children, Gentile as well as Jacob.

Isaiah 14:2 "And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors."

All the Gentile nations will assist the tribes in their re-establishing back in their own land. This is what is stated in Ezekiel 44, where God's elect, the Zadok, will reign and rule as part of their inheritance. Taking captive and making other servants is not as we consider it today in the age of the flesh. When you plant a seed of God's Word in the mind of another, and the Holy Spirit then works on that mind, you have taken that person captive in the service of the Lord. There is nothing wrong with this. We should all be proud to be servants and slaves in the service of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for taking the time to explain how you see these things.
However, I must question your conclusion that 'evil' men won't experience the final, white throne judgement. And I question that based on scripture of this event. The bible gives us two passages that look at the final judgement, the ultimate throne that all must stand before. The two passages look at it from the standpoint of those who are still alive when Christ return, and those who are dead when he returns. Both groups of people have saved people and unsaved people in them...which I believe should cover every single person who ever was or ever will be.

They are not men in the sense you think.Who get's kicked out of Heaven with satan,is it not his angels whom were already judged

All others will be changed not killed as no one really dies until after the judgement,again,these have already been judged

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."



10 of these angels will rule with satan as written in Daniel.They are supernatural

 

[Naomi25]

Noooo,you have it wrong, the kingdom becomes His at His return ,but he doesn't hand it over until after the millennium ,please understand,we have a Day of Christ which is the millennium,and we have a Day of God,which is after the millennium,when the full God head comes here to this earth forever!!!

No, it does not "become his" at his return. Firstly, if we correctly read other scriptures, we understand Christ already rules (Eph 1:20; 1 Pet 3:22; Phil 2:9). It is not something that only begins when he returns. Secondly, this passage doesn't state, at all, that he 'hands it over' at the end of a Millennium. It doesn't mention or allude to a Millennium at all.

But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. -1 Corinthians 15:23–26

Note, it is speaking about our resurrection. It says that Christ was the firstfruits of the glorified, bodily resurrection, and then, AT Christ's coming, we, who 'belong to Christ' will be given these bodies. Paul is talking of the Rapture and resurrection; the glorification of our bodies, and the 'death of death', that which he goes into more detail further down in verses 50-55. Here, however, after telling us that AT Christ's coming, we shall be changed, he goes on to say that this, then, is the end. Why? Because, by nature, and as scripture tells us, when we recieve our new bodies and death is finally defeated (Rev 20:14), ALL enemies have been defeated...death WAS the last enemy! Therefore, the Rapture, our glorification and the defeat of death IS 'the end', when Christ 'hands over the Kingdom' to the Father.

You cannot stretch this time out. You cannot place a 1000 years in between these words, without divorcing all meaning from them. It's a simple 'ipso facto' thing. At Christ's return we recieve our new bodies. Recieving our new bodies defeats death once and for all. Death was the last enemy. Once the last enemy has been defeated, the Kingdom is ended and handed over to the Father.
Death cannot preceed into the Millennium. Not if you want Christ there.

I Corinthians 15:24 "Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power."

At the very end of the Millennium age, the Son will deliver His Kingdom up to the Father. At the time of the Judgment God will put an end to all the rule and all power and authority that Satan will have on this world, or anywhere. That is when God will send Satan and all his realm and all evil and those that chose to follow him into the lake of fire.

By leaving off "the last enemy to be defeated is death" and then failing to see how inevitably death and our own bodily resurrection at Christ's return is linked...well...its no wonder your doctrine wobbles off track. That, and...its never great to insert stuff that just isn't there. And I just don't see a 1000 year gap here. Or a separate Kingdom, or Age.

 

[farouk]

No, it does not "become his" at his return. Firstly, if we correctly read other scriptures, we understand Christ already rules (Eph 1:20; 1 Pet 3:22; Phil 2:9). It is not something that only begins when he returns. Secondly, this passage doesn't state, at all, that he 'hands it over' at the end of a Millennium. It doesn't mention or allude to a Millennium at all.

But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. -1 Corinthians 15:23–26

Note, it is speaking about our resurrection. It says that Christ was the firstfruits of the glorified, bodily resurrection, and then, AT Christ's coming, we, who 'belong to Christ' will be given these bodies. Paul is talking of the Rapture and resurrection; the glorification of our bodies, and the 'death of death', that which he goes into more detail further down in verses 50-55. Here, however, after telling us that AT Christ's coming, we shall be changed, he goes on to say that this, then, is the end. Why? Because, by nature, and as scripture tells us, when we recieve our new bodies and death is finally defeated (Rev 20:14), ALL enemies have been defeated...death WAS the last enemy! Therefore, the Rapture, our glorification and the defeat of death IS 'the end', when Christ 'hands over the Kingdom' to the Father.

You cannot stretch this time out. You cannot place a 1000 years in between these words, without divorcing all meaning from them. It's a simple 'ipso facto' thing. At Christ's return we recieve our new bodies. Recieving our new bodies defeats death once and for all. Death was the last enemy. Once the last enemy has been defeated, the Kingdom is ended and handed over to the Father.
Death cannot preceed into the Millennium. Not if you want Christ there.



By leaving off "the last enemy to be defeated is death" and then failing to see how inevitably death and our own bodily resurrection at Christ's return is linked...well...its no wonder your doctrine wobbles off track. That, and...its never great to insert stuff that just isn't there. And I just don't see a 1000 year gap here. Or a separate Kingdom, or Age.

Matthew with its Jewish background seems to have a lot of kingdom truth. Which seems different from what pertains between Pentecost and the Rapture.

 

[Naomi25]

Matthew with its Jewish background seems to have a lot of kingdom truth. Which seems different from what pertains between Pentecost and the Rapture.

I think that's because Christ taught a lot about the Kingdom and it being now. In point of fact, I don't think the Kingdom will really end. When Christ 'hands it over to the Father', it's not so much about it ending, but, as Paul says, so that: "When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all."
That's the way the Trinity functions. Right now? Now it's Christ's work, through the Spirit. But then? Then, when his work is finally 'done', he will hand it over to the Father so we can move into eternity; Father, Son and Spirit in harmony as they ever where.
If, when Christ returns and destorys death, we were to move into another Age, where he was to rule on earth, why would he hand it over to the Father? Christ would still have work to do, would he not? No...there is no mention of the Millennium in 1 Cor 15, I think. And as you say, Matthew is full of wonderful Kingdom language that paints a reality now, that will ripen into something beyond what we can even comprehend!

 

[Keraz]

AT his return, be given their new bodies (1 Cor 15:24-55).

This prophecy does not happen at the Return. Immortality is only given when the Book of Life is opened; at the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
Proved by how it is only then that Death is done away with. 1 Corinthians 15:54 is parallel with Revelation 21:4

You mentioned earlier that we need to connect the dots:

Connecting the end times dots – the first step is to have all the events yet to happen listed. Then, line them up correctly and logically.

1/ Lets work back from the main event, the one that we all agree on – the Return of Jesus in His glory to reign for 1000 years. At that time, Jesus destroys the armies of the Anti Christ, imprisons Satan and then gathers His elect to Him. Matt. 24:31

2/ Before the Return, the AC [Satan] is allowed power over ‘the Holy ones of the Most High’, Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, for 3½ years. This is also the period of the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24:21, Revelation 13:5

3/ The AC comes to Jerusalem and takes control of the new nation of Beulah. Zechariah 14:1-2, Daniel 7:25. The Holy people are tested by this difficult time. Daniel 11:32-34, Revelation 13:10, Matthew 24:22.

4/ Zechariah 14:1-2 also describes this time and says that half of the population will be taken to a place of safety. Who are the ‘Holy ones’ and who is ‘taken to a place of safety’? Revelation 12:6 & 14. The ‘Woman’, who gave birth to the Ruler [Jesus] is looked after in safety for 1260 days. The Holy ones, are those Christians kept faithful, the others must face further testing and refinement. Revelation 12:17 Therefore, those in the holy Land at the time of the AC, are all the Lord’s people. [Not the State of Israel who are 48% atheists and 20% Muslim, etc, as at present.]

5/ Just before Zechariah 14, is Zechariah 13:7-9...throughout the Land 2/3 will die, the remaining 1/3 will be refined by fire and the remnant will acknowledge God and Jesus. This is the fire judgement of the Middle East, as prophesied: Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 2:4-5, Ezekiel 5:1-3, Isaiah 33:14, Deuteronomy 32:41-43.

But, there are some dots missing between 4 & 5, because there is only a Christian remnant left in the Land after the fulfilment of Psalm 83, Ezekiel 20:45-48 & 21:1-7, Isaiah 6:11-13 & 33:14, +. The Land of Greater Israel must be repopulated, for there to be the Lord’s righteous people living there before the Return. So, the line of dots as I see it is;

A/ This next Mid East event, which clears the entire region, excepting for a small number of Jews in Jerusalem. Jer. 12:14 & 10:18, Ezekiel 14:21-23, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Zech. 12:11-14.

B/ The Land is regenerated. Isaiah 32:15-20, Isaiah 43:19-21, Ezekiel 36:8-12.

C/ The descendants of Abraham [now people from every tribe, nation and language] are gathered- Isaiah 11:11-12, Jeremiah 16:14-16, Micah 2:12, judged- Eze. 34:20, Eze. 20:34-36, and settled in Israel. Deut 15:18-21, Eze. 39:25-29, Micah 7:11-12. Plus many other prophecies.

D/They select leaders. Jeremiah 3:15, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

E/ They live in peace and prosperity for several years. Isaiah 51:3, Psalms 107:35-38.

F/ They rebuild the Temple. Zechariah 8:9-15, Zechariah 6:15, Ezekiel 43:12.

G/ A huge army from the North advances to attack. Ezekiel 38:8-12

H/ That army [Gog from Magog] is totally destroyed. Ezekiel 38:21-23, Joel 2:20.

I/ God reveals His glory and His people acknowledge their Redeemer. Ezekiel 39:21-24.

J/ ‘Many‘ of the people agree to a peace treaty with the Leader of the One world government. Daniel 9:27a. Daniel 11:32 By plausible promises, he will win over those who are ready to violate their Covenant [with God]....some will remain faithful.......

K/ This 7 year treaty is broken at the mid point, commencing the Tribulation. Dan 9:27b

L/ Exactly 1260 days later, Jesus Returns and commences His reign. Daniel 12:7.

There are more details and the timing is not clear, but this seems to be the basic end times prophetic sequence.

 

[Naomi25]

This prophecy does not happen at the Return. Immortality is only given when the Book of Life is opened; at the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
Proved by how it is only then that Death is done away with. 1 Corinthians 15:54 is parallel with Revelation 21:4

I cannot see how it can be read this way. To me, you are forcing a gap in 1 Cor 15, so that you may insert a Millennium in there, rather than reading 1 Cor 15 naturally, from top, to bottom. When read through like this, we cannot divorce the return of Christ with the giving of our resurrection bodies. That is the whole POINT of 1 Cor 15! And IF we receive our new resurrection bodies then, as it says, then that is the death of death...also as it says. The REASON Rev 21:4 can say that 'death IS no more' is because before that in Rev 20:14 'death and hades' is thrown into the LOF...which is the second death...the final death. THIS is the parallel, the moment when death becomes no more. And yes, it is clearly after the 'millennium'...which 1 Cor 15 tells us 'ends', or is 'handed over' at Christ's coming.
It's actually all quite tidy.

As for the rest of your post, you must forgive me; I recognize that you put time and effort into it. It's just that lately I've become frustrated that posts tend to become multiple posts long just to reply to someone, and they back to me. Which also means that any particular subject you hope to 'drill down' on, gets lost among the scatter of the larger post in genral.
I'm hoping that in perhaps selecting the issue I think is the most relevant for the current conversation and trying to really focus on it, we might acheive a more direct and focused debate. I could be wrong...let's consider it an experiement!

 

[Keraz]

I cannot see how it can be read this way. To me, you are forcing a gap in 1 Cor 15, so that you may insert a Millennium in there, rather than reading 1 Cor 15 naturally, from top, to bottom. When read through like this, we cannot divorce the return of Christ with the giving of our resurrection bodies. That is the whole POINT of 1 Cor 15! And IF we receive our new resurrection bodies then, as it says, then that is the death of death...also as it says. The REASON Rev 21:4 can say that 'death IS no more' is because before that in Rev 20:14 'death and hades' is thrown into the LOF...which is the second death...the final death. THIS is the parallel, the moment when death becomes no more. And yes, it is clearly after the 'millennium'...which 1 Cor 15 tells us 'ends', or is 'handed over' at Christ's coming.

I gave the proof that 1 Cor 15:50-56 is about the GWT Judgment; after the Millennium.
Only then is Death and Hades thrown into the Lake of Fire. There is nowhere that scripture says anyone receives a spiritual, Eternal body before that time. We are promised it, but don't receive it until the Book of Life is opened.

Regarding the end time events sequence, I hope you read it and at least you and other members here have seen a list of events that are supported by the prophesies and are a logical and feasible list of things that will happen. Without the fanciful notions and unbelievable theories around today.

 

[Naomi25]

I gave the proof that 1 Cor 15:50-56 is about the GWT Judgment; after the Millennium.
Only then is Death and Hades thrown into the Lake of Fire. There is nowhere that scripture says anyone receives a spiritual, Eternal body before that time. We are promised it, but don't receive it until the Book of Life is opened.

No...you gave your opinion. And considering you chopped up 1 Cor 15 and inserted 1000 years in there just to make your timeline fit, I'm feeling rather safe in saying scripture backs my position.
Because one has to be rather blinkered to a certain position to NOT read 1 Cor 15 in the order it is. It is speaking, entirely, about our receiving our new, eternal bodies. It gives us the time of this in verse 23, "at his coming", which is also "the end", v 24....the same verse that tells us that at 'the end' Christ hands over 'the Kingdom' to his Father. Why? He has defeated all enemies. The last enemy? Verse 26 tells us; death. How do we surmize that death IS, in fact, defeated at Christ's return? If we pop down past Pauls in depth description of what our new, resurrection, spiritual bodies are like, we are told in verses 50-55...it is at a trumpet, when the dead will be raised first, and then we, ourselves will be given these new bodies, and thus death will be defeated.
Now...why does that sound familiar? 1 Thess 4 tells us that at Christs return there will be a trumpet, the dead will rise first, and then we also will be caught up. While no mention of the resurrection is made, clearly it is the same event and it happens AT Christs return. Matthew 24:31 also mentions this event. So, you cannot ignore it, especially since 1 Cor 15 devotes so much space TO the resurrection body, and links it TO that event.
Linking it to the book of life or after the 'earthly' Millennium is pure assumption on your part. There is nothing in the text itself that can be paralleled to either event. While on the other hand, as i pointed out, there are direct parallels to the Rapture and to the death of death LOF in Rev 20.

Regarding the end time events sequence, I hope you read it and at least you and other members here have seen a list of events that are supported by the prophesies and are a logical and feasible list of things that will happen. Without the fanciful notions and unbelievable theories around today.

Yes, I did read it, and like I said, I did appreciate the time that went into it, having spent time on such posts myself.

 

[n2thelight]

This prophecy does not happen at the Return. Immortality is only given when the Book of Life is opened; at the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
Proved by how it is only then that Death is done away with. 1 Corinthians 15:54 is parallel with Revelation 21:4

At Christ return all in Him are good,ie,first resurrection .The problem is people don't understand that at that time ALL shall be changed however being changed is not immortality as they must face satan again after the millennium ,those who follow him then will die the 2nd death,the death of the soul.

Those not in Christ at His return are called the dead.

 

[n2thelight]

If you take the mark ,you will still have time to come out of it(babylon, confusion)however you will be spiritually dead ,mortal soul,and my Father will still give you a chance to be taught His TRUE Word,ie,the purpose of the millennium

 

[Keraz]

Our Hope and our Destiny:
The Prophetic Word tells us how the Lord will save and protect His people during His terrible Day of wrath, the soon to happen Sixth Seal judgement of the nations.
Then we will be gathered and will migrate into all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16 and Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 35:1-10 are some of the best prophesies about this. We Christians are the Lord's people, His chosen; John 15:18, 1 Peter 2:8-10, and we are the people; nation, who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43. We will, at last; be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Acts 13:47
So, basically there is no need for anyone, other than the 2 Witnesses to go to heaven, Rev 11:12 The whole idea of a rapture removal of Christians to heaven, is not part of God's plan for His people. Therefore, a body change is not necessary or logical, before the final wrap up and then all those whose names are written in the Book of Life, will receive immortality and be with God for Eternity, when God and therefore: heaven will be on earth. Rev 21:1-4

Job 14:10-15 When a human dies, all his power vanishes, he is like a dried up river. So mortal man lies down and never to rise, until the heavens be no more!
Lord, I ask that You hide me in the grave, conceal me until Your wrath has passed, then Lord; remember me at Your appointed time! I will wait, however long it takes for the change to come. Then, You will summon me and I will answer: I am the work of Your hands.

The sequence is:

1/ We all die. The only exceptions will be those remaining alive at the end of the Millennium.

2/ The Lord’s wrath will pass; all as is prophesied to happen. Revelation 15:1

3/ The dead know nothing until the Appointed time for the Great White Throne Judgement, when there will be new heavens and a new earth. Revelation 21:1-4

4/ Then, for those whose names are written in the Book of Life, the change will come; into immortality for Eternity. As described in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56.

 

[n2thelight]

The sequence is:

1/ We all die. The only exceptions will be those remaining alive at the end of the Millennium.

2/ The Lord’s wrath will pass; all as is prophesied to happen. Revelation 15:1

3/ The dead know nothing until the Appointed time for the Great White Throne Judgement, when there will be new heavens and a new earth. Revelation 21:1-4

4/ Then, for those whose names are written in the Book of Life, the change will come; into immortality for Eternity. As described in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56.

Think you maybe slightly off
1/ is those alive at His return ,ie,His 2nd coming, the Day of the Lord,which is the millennium.

 

[Keraz]

Think you maybe slightly off
1/ is those alive at His return ,ie,His 2nd coming, the Day of the Lord,which is the millennium.

The belief that people will receive 'glorified bodies' when Jesus Returns, is a fantasy and cannot happen. Even the Trib martyrs, Revelation 20:4, are simply brought back to life.
Why should it? The world will simply carry on normally, just without the stupidity of our current way of governing ourselves.