Purpose of the Millennium

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well, so you say, but note "was unto them" iow "not right" maybe? So i go back and forth on this v lol...might be the point even, dunno. Now i'll hafta go Lex it i guess, but i am now back to "here a little there a little is what we do, i usually do, but it isnt what a little child does"

this part i dont see the support for, who was mocking Isaiah iyo? ty

Gotta go back a few verses

Isaiah 28:7 "But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up in wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment."

"They" mentioned here are those of the House of Judah. It is so easy to fall away from our Lord when you wear the crown of pride. These people have turned from what is written in His Word, to men that they have held up to a level of respect above the Word of God. They are making what man says of greater importance then what God said through the prophets. Their strong drink becomes their traditions and man made doctrines.

Their traditions are not the Word of God, but they risk their entire spiritual soul on those traditions.

When you listen to and put the law of man over the law of God, you are turning to the law of precedents. The law of precedents is contrary to the law of God because it is putting the words and traditions that are formed in a man's mind over God's law. God's law is absolute and either "yea" or "nay", "yes" or "no", it does not look at shaded degrees of right or wrong and they reason away ones guilt in arguments. Before they can come up with a decision as to what is right or wrong, they have to consider what all the brethren have to say, and they never get to the absolute of what God's Word has to say about the matter. These poor blind sheep are never fed to the point that they know completely what is Biblically correct. They are all "drunk" on their own pride, the strong drink of their own man made ideas and traditions.

Isaiah 28:8 "For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean."

Do you want to know what God thinks of their ideas and traditions? This verse tells you. Have you seen a place where the night before was filled with drunks and wildness? It is filled with filth and vomit and a complete mess. This is the way the God is looking at those that allow themselves to be deceived into accepting these ways of men, without going to His Word. When you listen to man's lies, twisted truths and traditions and act on them with any respect when they go against His Word, God considers you no better then one of those drunks lying in his own vomit and filthiness.

You can see why Isaiah was not all that popular when he looked at their words and traditions, and stated what God thought of what they were partaking of in their religious forms.

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall He teach knowledge? and whom shall He make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."

This is what the religionist that have been accused by Isaiah are saying about him. There is irony and mocking within this, yet some people make a religion out of this mocking. They have taken a truth, and twisted it to the point of blasphemy. It is the people are saying this about Isaiah.

Who does he think he is teaching this knowledge? These people have so much pride that they think they know everything themselves. Nobody can tell them anything anyway. They go on in irony and ask, just who does he think he is that he he can teach us doctrine anyhow? They already have the doctrines of their leaders to follow, and just who does Isaiah think he is to go against the doctrines of our shepherds. They are saying that Isaiah is treating us like a bunch of babies. He never gets into any of the other stuff, but stays on his milk of the Word.

The reason for this was that Isaiah taught chapter by chapter and verse by verse. He started from the beginning of a book and continued through line by line, and precept by precept, in his instruction. These people wanted to go off into all direction, and see what all the others had to say about the different matters. They wanted to see what Dr. so-and-so, had to say, and what the right reverend Big-mouth thought of the Word. It was to the point were they were sick and tired of what the Word of God said, chapter by chapter, and verses by verse, lets build our own beliefs from our own traditions and doctrines. They are mimicking what Isaiah was saying as to how the Word had to be taught.

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Gonna keep it simple,those who made it will teach those who didn't,that's the purpose.
For those of you who say people will still be born during this time,what that be fair?I mean there will be no evil,until afterwards ,when satan is released for that short season.

My God is fair,that's why Christ went and taught those who died before He died on the cross.

Again no flesh and nobody shall be born,age of te flesh will be over.......
 

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Ain't know stars gonna hit this planet ,imagine the sun hitting our earth,wouldn't be anything left.The stars that fall are the angels,they coming back,end is all about deception.You will be sealed or you will take the mark....

Study to show yourself approved to get the seal
 
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If one could ever figure out that satan is the reason we were made flesh,the Word would open up so clear,at least it did for me,yet I understand for some ,it's in their own good not to know the truth at this time.

However I must and will keep planting seeds.
 

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I believe what Revelation 6:9-11 says. Eccl 12:7...The soul returns to He who made it.
Your idea that they are alive, is what is unbelievable.

So you think we need flesh to live?

Mark 12:25 "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels are in heaven."

What kind of body do angels have?
 

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Gotta go back a few verses

Isaiah 28:7 "But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up in wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment."

"They" mentioned here are those of the House of Judah. It is so easy to fall away from our Lord when you wear the crown of pride. These people have turned from what is written in His Word, to men that they have held up to a level of respect above the Word of God. They are making what man says of greater importance then what God said through the prophets. Their strong drink becomes their traditions and man made doctrines.

Their traditions are not the Word of God, but they risk their entire spiritual soul on those traditions.

When you listen to and put the law of man over the law of God, you are turning to the law of precedents. The law of precedents is contrary to the law of God because it is putting the words and traditions that are formed in a man's mind over God's law. God's law is absolute and either "yea" or "nay", "yes" or "no", it does not look at shaded degrees of right or wrong and they reason away ones guilt in arguments. Before they can come up with a decision as to what is right or wrong, they have to consider what all the brethren have to say, and they never get to the absolute of what God's Word has to say about the matter. These poor blind sheep are never fed to the point that they know completely what is Biblically correct. They are all "drunk" on their own pride, the strong drink of their own man made ideas and traditions.

Isaiah 28:8 "For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean."

Do you want to know what God thinks of their ideas and traditions? This verse tells you. Have you seen a place where the night before was filled with drunks and wildness? It is filled with filth and vomit and a complete mess. This is the way the God is looking at those that allow themselves to be deceived into accepting these ways of men, without going to His Word. When you listen to man's lies, twisted truths and traditions and act on them with any respect when they go against His Word, God considers you no better then one of those drunks lying in his own vomit and filthiness.

You can see why Isaiah was not all that popular when he looked at their words and traditions, and stated what God thought of what they were partaking of in their religious forms.

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall He teach knowledge? and whom shall He make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."

This is what the religionist that have been accused by Isaiah are saying about him. There is irony and mocking within this, yet some people make a religion out of this mocking. They have taken a truth, and twisted it to the point of blasphemy. It is the people are saying this about Isaiah.

Who does he think he is teaching this knowledge? These people have so much pride that they think they know everything themselves. Nobody can tell them anything anyway. They go on in irony and ask, just who does he think he is that he he can teach us doctrine anyhow? They already have the doctrines of their leaders to follow, and just who does Isaiah think he is to go against the doctrines of our shepherds. They are saying that Isaiah is treating us like a bunch of babies. He never gets into any of the other stuff, but stays on his milk of the Word.

The reason for this was that Isaiah taught chapter by chapter and verse by verse. He started from the beginning of a book and continued through line by line, and precept by precept, in his instruction. These people wanted to go off into all direction, and see what all the others had to say about the different matters. They wanted to see what Dr. so-and-so, had to say, and what the right reverend Big-mouth thought of the Word. It was to the point were they were sick and tired of what the Word of God said, chapter by chapter, and verses by verse, lets build our own beliefs from our own traditions and doctrines. They are mimicking what Isaiah was saying as to how the Word had to be taught.

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well, i might still be confused there, the Berean seems to have God in the place that you are putting Isaiah or something, although the same sense would derive from that i guess...there are a few tense changes in there, hard to follow. hafta review there maybe
9Whom is He trying to teach?

To whom is He explaining His message?

To infants just weaned from milk?

To babies removed from the breast?

10For He says,

“Order on order, order on order, line on line, line on line;

a little here, a little there.”a

11Indeed, with mocking lips and foreign tongues,

He will speak to this people 12to whom He has said:

“This is the place of rest, let the weary rest;


this is the place of repose.”

But they would not listen.

13Then the word of the LORD will come to them:

“Order on order, order on order, line on line, line on line;

a little here, a little there,”

so that they will go stumbling backward

and be injured, ensnared, and captured.
 

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So you think we need flesh to live?

Mark 12:25 "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels are in heaven."

What kind of body do angels have?
When do people rise from the dead? ONLY at the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.

You are typical of many confused Christians today, thinking you are going to get new, spiritual bodies when Jesus Returns, or even more unbelievably; before He Returns and get raptured to heaven; the epitome of deception of the gullible.

Get this; we humans are made to live on earth, it is our home. God made the angels to serve Him in the spiritual world,
We never live in heaven, but after the Millennium, God and therefore heaven, comes to dwell with us on earth. Revelation 21:1-7
THEN, all whose names are Written in the Book of Life will receive immortality, changed as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54
 

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When do people rise from the dead? ONLY at the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.

You are typical of many confused Christians today, thinking you are going to get new, spiritual bodies when Jesus Returns, or even more unbelievably; before He Returns and get raptured to heaven; the epitome of deception of the gullible.

Get this; we humans are made to live on earth, it is our home. God made the angels to serve Him in the spiritual world,
We never live in heaven, but after the Millennium, God and therefore heaven, comes to dwell with us on earth. Revelation 21:1-7
THEN, all whose names are Written in the Book of Life will receive immortality, changed as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54

Not confused at all,as it's not a new body ,it's the body you already have ,that resides in your flesh.
You may need to study that chapter 1 Corinthians 15 .Paul clearly states we have two bodies.

Listen to Paul

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.



 

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It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.
But to think this happens at death, is in conflict with much scripture.
Revelation 21:1-7 is clear; only after the Millennium, will the Spiritual body be conferred upon those found worthy.
 

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But to think this happens at death, is in conflict with much scripture.
Revelation 21:1-7 is clear; only after the Millennium, will the Spiritual body be conferred upon those found worthy.

Again you wrong ,Paul said at death or at the return of Christ,we shall all be changed .What you not understand is the fact that our spiritual body don't have to be conferred on nothing ,the only difference is where it stands at His return mortal or immortal which is the difference in the first and 2nd resurrection .

When Christ feet touch the ground at His return ALL shall be changed,period.If we go by your reasoning Christ will not return until after the millennium.
 

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Again you wrong ,Paul said at death or at the return of Christ,we shall all be changed .What you not understand is the fact that our spiritual body don't have to be conferred on nothing ,the only difference is where it stands at His return mortal or immortal which is the difference in the first and 2nd resurrection .

When Christ feet touch the ground at His return ALL shall be changed,period.If we go by your reasoning Christ will not return until after the millennium.
Paul did NOT say we shall be changed at death or at the Return. His prophecy in Cor 15:50-56 refers to the GWT Judgment, proved by how only then will Death be no more. Revelation 21:4
The teaching that at the Return; the dead will be raised, [with the exception of those martyred during the GT, Rev 20:4] and the living receive immortality, is wrong and only believed by the deceived.
 

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Paul did NOT say we shall be changed at death or at the Return. His prophecy in Cor 15:50-56 refers to the GWT Judgment, proved by how only then will Death be no more. Revelation 21:4
The teaching that at the Return; the dead will be raised, [with the exception of those martyred during the GT, Rev 20:4] and the living receive immortality, is wrong and only believed by the deceived.

So when Christ returns ,we will remain in our flesh bodies,is that what you saying?
 

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So when Christ returns ,we will remain in our flesh bodies,is that what you saying?
Yes.
Paul does say:...all in Christ will be brought to life....at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23
But he doesn't say 'all', and we know from Revelation 20:4 that only the Trib martyrs will be raised when Jesus Returns.
ALL will be raised, as promised- on the Last Day, which is at the end of the Millennium, when the Book of Life is opened.
So since you think the last and the 7th trump are not the same ,would you care to explain the differences ?
The Seventh Trumpet, Revelation 11:15 is an announcement that God has conferred the Kingship of the earth onto Jesus. I see this as related to Satan being thrown out of heaven, as Revelation 12:10 says.
But there is still 1260 days yet to pass before Jesus Returns and takes up His rule. Satan knows his time is short; Revelation 12:12

The final, true Last Trumpet sound will be the call for all the dead to rise and stand before God at the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 Only then is immortality given to those whose names are in the Book of Life.
 

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Yes.
Paul does say:...all in Christ will be brought to life....at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23
But he doesn't say 'all', and we know from Revelation 20:4 that only the Trib martyrs will be raised when Jesus Returns.
ALL will be raised, as promised- on the Last Day, which is at the end of the Millennium, when the Book of Life is opened.

The Seventh Trumpet, Revelation 11:15 is an announcement that God has conferred the Kingship of the earth onto Jesus. I see this as related to Satan being thrown out of heaven, as Revelation 12:10 says.
But there is still 1260 days yet to pass before Jesus Returns and takes up His rule. Satan knows his time is short; Revelation 12:12

The final, true Last Trumpet sound will be the call for all the dead to rise and stand before God at the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 Only then is immortality given to those whose names are in the Book of Life.

So what's the difference between the first and second resurrections?Immortality is given to those in Christ at the first resurrection

Paul said ALL shall be changed ,your problem is concerning the dead.They are called the dead because they are spiritually dead,meaning they stand a chanc to die the 2nd death ,which is the death of the soul.

Luke 20:38 "For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto Him."

Stop and think on this for a moment. Our Heavenly Father is not a God of the dead, or of hate, He is a God of love and the living. "For all live unto Him", every soul that God created is still living, for there is no dead soul yet. That judgment and death of the soul comes after the seventh trump, after the thousand year Millennium age of Christ's kingdom on earth, and after each soul has been retested and Judged by God Himself. Then comes the lake of fire. All souls live unto God, and they will be either children of the light and the resurrection, or children of darkness of Satan. All souls are now waiting on the Great white throne judgment of our Heavenly Father.

So we see that there is so much confusion in the Christian church of today over these matters, we see that Satan's children of the past have done their work for Satan. Many today believe in soul sleep, which is a doctrine of devils, and they may be spiritual dead, but their souls are very much alive and aware of the choices they have made. Their souls are across that gulf we read of in Luke 16, and they are waiting for their time of Judgment.

However there are a certain group of souls that refuse to enter into this earth age through the womb, and that group was tried back in the first earth age and sentenced to death. If you think that this would be unfair, then you don't understand what happened in that first earth age, where some overcame, while other were so judged as evil. The point here, is if God allowed them to overcome in that first earth age in their spiritual angelic body, same soul, but in a spiritual body; [Romans 8:26] They didn't have the same hang-ups that we do in the flesh. So is it fair that some overcame in the spiritual body, while other are required to over come in their flesh? That's why we are going to have the Millennium age, because God is always fair. God is the God of the living and not the dead, because there is not one dead soul anywhere as of this moment in time.

Those called dead in Revelation, are those that refused to follow God's plan and come into this age of flesh man through the womb, born of woman. Instead they came to earth and took the daughters of Adam to wife, and had children by them. That is what Genesis 6 is all about, and that is why the flood of Noah's time flooded the earth. They left their place of habitation:

Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
 

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I believe what Revelation 6:9-11 says. Eccl 12:7...The soul returns to He who made it.
Your idea that they are alive, is what is unbelievable.
It reads "spirit" not "soul" in Ecclesiastes.
 

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So what's the difference between the first and second resurrections?Immortality is given to those in Christ at the first resurrection

Paul said ALL shall be changed ,your problem is concerning the dead.They are called the dead because they are spiritually dead,meaning they stand a chanc to die the 2nd death ,which is the death of the soul.
The Bible simply does not say anyone will receive immortality when Jesus Returns. The first resurrection is only the martyrs who were killed during the GT. Revelation 20:4 They are brought back to life, not to immortality.

Pauls prophecy in 1 Cor 15 refers to the final Judgment after the Millennium. THEN; everyone will stand before God and all whose names are in the BoL, will go into Eternity with God.

Your beliefs, n2l, are typical of many Christians. Unfortunately they are false and will never happen.
However wrong beliefs like you have, are not a Salvation issue, but may cause some distress and confusion as what you want God to do, does not happen.
 

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The Bible simply does not say anyone will receive immortality when Jesus Returns. The first resurrection is only the martyrs who were killed during the GT. Revelation 20:4 They are brought back to life, not to immortality.

Pauls prophecy in 1 Cor 15 refers to the final Judgment after the Millennium. THEN; everyone will stand before God and all whose names are in the BoL, will go into Eternity with God.

Your beliefs, n2l, are typical of many Christians. Unfortunately they are false and will never happen.
However wrong beliefs like you have, are not a Salvation issue, but may cause some distress and confusion as what you want God to do, does not happen.

If they are not immortal why is it they need not worry about the 2nd death?

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Pauls prophecy is the Day of the Lord,which starts the millennium .

What is the Day of the Lord to you?