Did not Paul say the change happens at Christ return?Only way you can come up with something different is if you believe the last trump is not the 7th.
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Did not Paul say the change happens at Christ return?Only way you can come up with something different is if you believe the last trump is not the 7th.
Let's look at what else he said
I Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
So the question now becomes when does the kingdom become Christ
Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
This is the seventh and final trumpet, from the time that the two witnesses stand to their feet, we are dealing in seconds, and minutes for it all to occur. The third woe comes with the seventh trumpet. All prophecy in the entire Bible dealing with the seventh, and last trumpet happens instantly at this time.
I Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
So the question now becomes when does the kingdom become Christ
Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
This is the seventh and final trumpet, from the time that the two witnesses stand to their feet, we are dealing in seconds, and minutes for it all to occur. The third woe comes with the seventh trumpet. All prophecy in the entire Bible dealing with the seventh, and last trumpet happens instantly at this time.
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The 7th Trumpet, Revelation 11:15, is an announcement that Jesus has been given Kingly authority by God. He doesn't take it up until He Returns later. Revelation 19:11
As then the Millennium commences and during that 1000 years the trumpet will sound many times, the Last Trump will be the call for the dead to rise for Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
We know exactly who will be brought back to life at Jesus Return; Just the Tribulation martyrs. Revelation 20:4 No-one else.
Can't agree but thanks for the response.And just a side note,nobody is dead.Those who have died(flesh)are in Heaven,Christ brings them with Him when He returns those alive will be changed.
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This idea is a white lie that is often spouted at funerals. We humans never go to live in heaven, Jesus said so six times.
The dead know nothing. Eccl 9:5-6 The next moment of consciousness for any dead person, is when they will stand before God on His Great White Throne and be Judged.
Why must you and many others too; promote ideas that are not found in the Bible?
What God does Promise to His people will be fantastic, as we live in the holy Land with His Blessings upon us. And when its all over, at the end of the Millennium, we will stand before God and our names will be found in the Book of Life, then the Promise of Eternal life will be ours.
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one might contemplate "millenium" as one's lifespan with Christ, many Scriptural aids might be employed, for instance Adam "lived" 930 years, 1000-70 iow, and the "70" can be supplied, or applied, but there are other ways to get there too, Methuselah ("When he is dead it shall be sent"), 969+31, etc. Prolly no literal 1000 year reign such as you might wish, wadr. Eternities end btw, from eternity to eternity, etc, from aeon, "a span of time," imo.
16Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord b will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
The faithful remnant of Israel the 144,000 will be a nation of royal priests who serve the Lord by not only their priestly duties for Him but will also serve the Gentile nations who will be called to come to the Temple to learn of the Christ and worship Him. Even during this time when Satan, anti-Christ and the false prophet are all locked in the Lake of Fire men will still be sinners. Sinners are what we are not just what we do. Apart from the worship of the Lord. This is what will be the main purpose of the Millennial Temple.
The faithful remnant of Israel the 144,000 will be a nation of royal priests who serve the Lord by not only their priestly duties for Him but will also serve the Gentile nations who will be called to come to the Temple to learn of the Christ and worship Him. Even during this time when Satan, anti-Christ and the false prophet are all locked in the Lake of Fire men will still be sinners. Sinners are what we are not just what we do. Apart from the worship of the Lord. This is what will be the main purpose of the Millennial Temple.
He gave it to you ,lets start with
Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."
Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."
God creates the flesh body for your soul to occupy, and He places your spirit within your soul. That is what gives your soul its identity. Then just as God gave it for a brief time, He will take your soul back to Himself, when the flesh body stops having life.
Flesh will not rise ,period,it's nothing but dust.The spirit is who we are and Paul told us that,we have two bodies.The millennium is a time to teach those who fell short,they will learn in their spiritual bodies,without the evil influence of satan.
Many take the below to be a simple parable,but it's not,it's an actual fact.
Luke 16:22 "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom the rich man also died, and was buried;"
Lazarus was carried into heaven by the angels of God, while the rich man's body was buried in the ground and his soul went to Hades, the holding place before being destroyed by hell fire.
Luke 16:23 "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."
This is a parable about two men that actually lived, and when both died, the rich man could see Lazarus in heaven with Abraham. He could look across that great gulf that stood between them, but could not go there. Our Heavenly Father is the Father of the living and not the dead. Thus to be absent from this physical body of the flesh is to be present with the Lord. The soul does not go to the grave as the flesh does, but goes immediate to heaven. Those that did not overcome cannot be with those that overcame in this earth age, for they are separated. All souls can actually see the throne of God from where they are. Those that are on the rich man's side are being held for that great judgment day.
Luke 16:24 "And he cried and said, `Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' "
There is no flame there yet, but there will be after Judgment day. God doesn't burn anybody until after judgment day. This rich man had everything that he wanted, but here in heaven, he can't even afford one drop of water. The role is switched here in heaven, for now Lazarus has the comfort of heaven, and the rich man has nothing, not even comfort.
Luke 16:25 "But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivest thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented."
Life has it's payday, and this is the rich man's time.
Luke 16:26 "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.' "
"Between us that over came, and you that did not overcome, there is a great gulf fixed." That gulf is so fixed that even though one side can see the other side, there is no way to pass between. We can't go your way and you can't come our way. Luke is making the entire clear that you set your course in this life of the flesh, and when your soul passes into the next life, there is no changing what you have done in this life. This gulf or chasm is from the Greek "Chasma"; It means "an impassable interval". The interval is of time and space. This is telling us that if you die hell bound and enter into that other dimension, there is no way that you can reenter back into this dimension again. What ever side of the gulf you are on when you die, that is the side you stay until judgment day.
How can there be trumpets sounding many times after the last,or maybe you can tell me when is the last one.
7th is the last.
He gave you the hint in 2nd Peter
II Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
That means one week is 7,000 years, and we are coming to the Sabbath of that week very shortly, which the common name for the next thousand years is the "Millennium age".
The Word of God is like a puzzle,can't stick a round peg in a square hole
Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little:"
This is exactly how Isaiah did teach, only here it is given as mockery to Isaiah. Isaiah taught from the first word in a book, each line and precept, all the way through to the end of that book. These religious nuts were offended and treated it with anger like Isaiah was treating them like a bunch of children that could not see for themselves. Isaiah was trying to give them the more in-depth meaning of the precepts that God had given through His Word, only they wanted to put their own meaning to those precepts.
It takes a teacher that is familiar with the metaphors, idioms, and figures of speech to allow people to understand God's Word, but they don't care what it is saying. They have closed their mind to the truth, and opened it to what they want to hear. They would rather hear gossip and what brother so-and-so did to sister due-drop, then to know what God's instruction is to them, and what it takes to be blessed by God. They want all the juicy tit-bits brought out at the next deacon meeting so they can put brother so-in-so in his place. They don't seek repentance by a fallen brother, but gossip that will boost their own pride.
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Dream on; n2l
There is nowhere the Bible says the spirit is conscious in heaven. The homily of Abraham and the rich man is just a warning to people alive to live righteously, or the Judgment when it comes will be bad for them.
Very good, this is Biblically correct.
But the 7th Trumpet cannot possibly be the last, final time any person or angel, blows a trumpet.
The Last Trump, has to be at the end of time, the end of the 7000 years; at the GWT Judgment. As Paul said in 1 Cor 15:32, when the Book of Life is opened and everyone stands before God.
Revelation 6:9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:"
These souls were killed for their stand in the Word of God. Who could that be? The saints of God, for their souls are now at [not under] the altar of God in heaven. Those souls have died and are with the Father in Heaven.
Revelation 6:10 "And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord [Master], holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth."
Their blood was shed on the earth, while at this time they are pleading at the altar of God in heaven. To be absent from this body is to be present with the Lord [Ecclesiastes 12:7]. The time of revenge will come at God's appointed time. Before God, nobody gets away with anything.
Revelation 6:11 "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."
Not a warning ,true facts
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Yes, God does allow those souls of the martyrs to cry out. But they 'sleep' under the Altar, until the GWT Judgment. Exception for those killed during the Great Trib, as per Revelation 20:4.
You assume they were real, living people; at the best they were apparitions, spiritual beings brought up like Samuel was to Saul.
If you believe in a general resurrection before the GWT, then your belief simply does not fit with Biblical truth.
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wow, i just got this impression like yesterday, after first believing it to be a blessing, and then a curse. hmm.
can you provide some Support here, ty!
It's in the verse itself
Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upn precept; line upon line, line upon line; her a little and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."
If you read the whole section where this is found. If you read the chapter carefully, Isaiah was telling the scholars of his day that they had got it all wrong and that because of that they would fall backwards etc: -
Isaiah 28:7-15: -
7 But they also have erred through wine,
And through intoxicating drink are out of the way;
The priest and the prophet have erred through intoxicating drink,
They are swallowed up by wine,
They are out of the way through intoxicating drink;
They err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filth;
No place is clean.
9 "Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little."
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,"
And, "This is the refreshing";
Yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the Lord was to them,
"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,"
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.
14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men,
Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,
15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death,
And with Sheol we are in agreement.
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
It will not come to us,
For we have made lies our refuge,
And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves."
And through intoxicating drink are out of the way;
The priest and the prophet have erred through intoxicating drink,
They are swallowed up by wine,
They are out of the way through intoxicating drink;
They err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filth;
No place is clean.
9 "Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little."
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,"
And, "This is the refreshing";
Yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the Lord was to them,
"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,"
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.
14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men,
Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,
15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death,
And with Sheol we are in agreement.
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
It will not come to us,
For we have made lies our refuge,
And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves."
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well, so you say, but note "was unto them" iow "not right" maybe? So i go back and forth on this v lol...might be the point even, dunno. Now i'll hafta go Lex it i guess, but i am now back to "here a little there a little is what we do, i usually do, but it isnt what a little child does"
this part i dont see the support for, who was mocking Isaiah iyo? ty
Hi all, Zechariah 14:16 tells us the Surviving Gentiles will be required to come up to Jerusalem and especially to observe the Feast of Tabernacles. There does not appear to be blood sacrifices. The Jewish nation will have become A Royal Nation Of Priests serving the Lord and ministering to the Gentiles making the Lord known to them.
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