Wormwood said:
Yes, the birth of Jesus is also in Scripture. That doesn't mean it will take place during a 3.5 or 7 year tribulation. You are taking texts and mashing them into an end time scenario that either doesn't fit or isn't referencing the end times. That is the issue.
What in the world does the birth of Jesus have to do with the 3.5 year great tribulation or end times in general?? A 3.5 year great tribulation is in scripture brother...
THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Jer 30:7 NIV How awful that day will be! No other will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it.
Dan 12:1 NIV “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
Zeph 1:15 NIV That day will be a day of wrath—a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness—
Matt 24:21-22 NIV For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mark 13:19 NIV because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.
Luke 21:23 NIV How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.
Rev 3:10 NIV Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth
Rev 7:14 NIV I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
3.5 YEARS/1,260 DAYS/42 MONTHS/TIME, TIMES AND HALF A TIME
Dan 7:25 NIV He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
Dan 12:7 NIV The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed."
Rev 11:2-3 NIV But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."
Rev 12:6 NIV The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
Rev 12:14 NIV The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
Rev 13:5 NIV The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months.
Wormwood said:
Yes there is a rapture. But no, the Bible doesn't define the rapture as a secret event that takes believers and leaves unbelievers on the earth for 3.5 years. It just doesn't. It describes the rapture as the end of human history and a day when the righteous are transformed and the wicked are condemned. I don't know how I can clarify this further. I am going to have to throw in the towel on trying to explain the differences here.
You seriously need to study more then, especially with end time events. The rapture will occur before the 3.5 year great tribulation of God's wrath, because believers are not appointed to wrath. The 3.5 year great tribulation is considered God's wrath of trumpets and bowls poured out on mankind. There
will be people still on this earth during God's wrath of trumpets and bowls....
Rev 8:10-11 NIV The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter,
and many people died from the waters that had become bitter. (Footnotes: 11 Wormwood is a bitter substance.)
Rev 8:13 NIV As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe!
Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!”
Rev 9:3-6 NIV And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree,
but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
Rev 9:15 NIV And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released
to kill a third of mankind.
Rev 9:20-21 NIV
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.
Rev 16:2 NIV The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly,
festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.
Rev 16:4-6 NIV The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. 5Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: “You are just in these judgments, O Holy One, you who are and who were; 6for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets, and you have
given them blood to drink as they deserve.”
Rev 16:8-9 NIV The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to
scorch people with fire. 9They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.
Rev 16:10-11 NIV The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness.
People gnawed their tongues in agony 11and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.
Rev 16:14 NIV They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out
to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:21 NIV From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,
fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.
Rev 17:2 NIV With her
the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the
inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
Rev 17:18 NIV The woman you saw is the great city that rules
over the kings of the earth.”
Rev 18:2-4 NIV With a mighty voice he shouted: “ ‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’ She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal. 3
For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.” 4Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “ ‘
Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
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