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Davy

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Obviously, but no harm in using the word to refer to the event where the saints rise from the surface of the Earth to meet a gloriously visible, cacaphonically audible, environmentally destabilizing Jesus in the clouds at His Second Coming.

Those words, "a gloriously visible, cacaphonically audible, environmentally destabilizing Jesus in the clouds" sounds like verbiage an orthodox unbelieving Jew would come up with.

When Jesus appears coming in the clouds, He will be bringing the 'asleep' saints with Him, and at that event His saints still alive on earth will be "caught up" to Him, and He and His Church all together go to Jerusalem, on earth. That's is what God's Word teaches. If your seminary clinicians are preaching something different, then I feel sorry for them. They will have a rude awakening when Jesus comes to remove the veil of this world at an instant, as written in God's Word.
 

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I've no doubt some Huegenots escaped to Germany, but a large population crossed the Alps in the dead of winter to escape death from State authorities governed by the papacy. If you look into it, you'll discover that the French Huegenots were formerly the timepiece masters but escaped to Switzerland. There was no doubt in their minds as to what the identity of Antichrist was.

My ancestors in France were all farmers, as they also were in America up until my grandfather who was an electrician. So a lot of theories are just... theories.
 

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Pretty much the way it is, except... many that used to be right of center have also shifted left of center.
There's a recent Youtube doc called "Agenda: Grinding America Down" which exposes how there's been an almost one hundred years long agenda to steer America sharply to the left, and if current events are any indication, I'd have to agree with it fully. Here's an excerpt talking about the left shift of political ideology which is exactly what you said:

 

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So you do... believe Jesus' 2nd coming happened back then???
Nah, I'm no Jesuit Preterist. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is the LOUDEST verse in all the Bible, and so far there's nothing in history to confirm that prophecy's been fulfilled.
 
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I don't believe in seminary ideas like Futurism. God's Word declares the coming Antichrist to Jerusalem, and God ain't no Jesuit.
That is if you interpret "temple of God" as some rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. But if we consider how such a temple, with the Jews performing rituals and offering sacrifices all meant to point to the "soon coming Messiah", would appear in the sight of God - an official, national, collective middle finger in the face of God and the Son He sent to die as the Supreme Sacrifice almost 2,000 years ago - as blasphemous beyond all blasphemy, and would never be called by God the "temple of God".

When we also consider that Paul repeatedly referred to the CHURCH as the "temple of God", and that Paul, John, Peter, Jesus, etc. warned of a coming "falling away" apostasy which came to pass with the rise of the papacy, then a different picture emerges.
 

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My ancestors in France were all farmers, as they also were in America up until my grandfather who was an electrician. So a lot of theories are just... theories.
Here's an excerpt from an article in the New York Times paper which details the facts of history, not theories. I'll post the link if you're interested in reading the article - a good read:

"The Germans are generally regarded as the first people to make clocks small enough to be portable. Most historians credit Peter Henlein, a locksmith and clockmaker who lived in Nuremberg in the early 16th century, with making the first watch. His specialty was miniaturizing clocks so they could be worn as pendants or affixed to clothing.

"Around the same time, Huguenots fleeing persecution in France brought their artistic savoir-faire to bear on the local watch trade in Geneva, gradually transforming the city into a cradle of high watchmaking."

How Switzerland Came to Dominate Watchmaking
 

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There's a recent Youtube doc called "Agenda: Grinding America Down" which exposes how there's been an almost one hundred years long agenda to steer America sharply to the left, and if current events are any indication, I'd have to agree with it fully. Here's an excerpt talking about the left shift of political ideology which is exactly what you said:


It would take too long to discuss this, but the controversy extends much, much farther back in history than that. It goes back to Solomon's temple at least 22 centuries ago. Like Apostle Paul said, the "mystery of iniquity" was already at work in his day, and actually a long time before his day too.

Some books to read:
"The Naked Communist" (1958) by 16 year ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen (lists 45 strategic points Soviets have in long range strategy against the West).
"Proofs Of A Conspiracy" (1789) by John Robison
"Tragedy and Hope" (1966) by Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley (Bill Clinton's history prof.)
"New Lies For Old" (1984) by Anatoliy Golitsyn, an ex-KGB colonel who defected to U.S. in the 1960's.
"Conspiracy Against God and Man" (1974) by Reverend Clarence Kelly
"Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism" (1797) by the Abbe Barruel
 

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That is if you interpret "temple of God" as some rebuilt temple in Jerusalem....

That is what Apostle Paul was talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

The spiritual temple idea Paul taught in Ephesians 2 cannot be corrupted by any man, for its foundation is built upon the prophets and Apostles, with Christ Jesus as its Chief Cornerstone. Any man that tries to corrupt the spiritual temple is simply 'cut off'.

So 2 Thess.2:3-4 cannot apply to the spiritual temple. Paul was pointing to the same one Jesus pointed to in Matt.24:24, and that John pointed to in Rev.13:11, for all 3 relate to the false one coming to work the great signs and miracles in Jerusalem to deceive the whole world with.
 
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It would take too long to discuss this, but the controversy extends much, much farther back in history than that. It goes back to Solomon's temple at least 22 centuries ago. Like Apostle Paul said, the "mystery of iniquity" was already at work in his day, and actually a long time before his day too.

Some books to read:
"The Naked Communist" (1958) by 16 year ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen (lists 45 strategic points Soviets have in long range strategy against the West).
"Proofs Of A Conspiracy" (1789) by John Robison
"Tragedy and Hope" (1966) by Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley (Bill Clinton's history prof.)
"New Lies For Old" (1984) by Anatoliy Golitsyn, an ex-KGB colonel who defected to U.S. in the 1960's.
"Conspiracy Against God and Man" (1974) by Reverend Clarence Kelly
"Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism" (1797) by the Abbe Barruel
Trust me, I know all about secret societies and mystery religions - The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop is also a great book which illustrates why Roman Catholicism is ancient pagan Sun worship mystery religion perfected and Satan's Antichrist headquarters on Earth. I was talking about the American experience.
 

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That is what Apostle Paul was talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

The spiritual temple idea Paul taught in Ephesians 2 cannot be corrupted by any man, for its foundation is built upon the prophets and Apostles, with Christ Jesus as its Chief Cornerstone. Any man that tries to corrupt the spiritual temple is simply 'cut off'.

So 2 Thess.2:3-4 cannot apply to the spiritual temple. Paul was pointing to the same one Jesus pointed to in Matt.24:24, and that John pointed to in Rev.13:11, for all 3 relate to the false one coming to work the great signs and miracles in Jerusalem to deceive the whole world with.
God would never refer to a rebuilt temple in which the sacrifices therein would be the ultimate exclamatory rejection of Gods beloved Son as the "temple of God". More like the temple of Doom.

The "temple" as described by Paul over and over is the church.
 

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God would never refer to a rebuilt temple in which the sacrifices therein would be the ultimate exclamatory rejection of Gods beloved Son as the "temple of God". More like the temple of Doom.

The "temple" as described by Paul over and over is the church.

What we in Christ know about His Salvation isn't the same as what the orthodox unbelieving Jews think. Don't confuse the two just to throw in some seminary doctrine against Paul's idea of the Jews next temple that the coming false-Messiah will sit in.
 

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What we in Christ know about His Salvation isn't the same as what the orthodox unbelieving Jews think. Don't confuse the two just to throw in some seminary doctrine against Paul's idea of the Jews next temple that the coming false-Messiah will sit in.
It's not "seminary doctrine", it's simple exegesis. "Naos" is the Greek for "temple" and over and over Paul uses "naos" to describe the church.

Let's not pretend the suggestion that the "temple of God" is symbolic for the church has no Biblical precedent in order to establish a viewpoint which is totally Jesuit Futurist. I mean, really, how does your eschatological interpretation differ from Jesuit Futurism?

Things taught by Jesuit Futurism:
  1. Only first 3 chapters of Revelation have unfolded
  2. there will be a 7 year period of trib
  3. the 7 year trib is established by making future the 70th week of Daniel which was already fulfilled
  4. the Restrainer which prevents the rise of Antichrist is the Holy Spirit working through an Earthly agency
  5. the Restrainer will be taken out of the way by means of a secret Rapture
  6. the Antichrist will arise during the trib
  7. the Antichrist is NOT the papacy
  8. the Antichrist is one man, not a kingdom
  9. the Antichrist will sit down in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem
  10. the Antichrist will broker a peace treaty between the Arabs and Israel
  11. the Antichrist will break the treaty halfway into it
  12. the breaking of that treaty will commence Armageddon
Denying one's subscription to the idea of Jesuit Futurism when the only eschatological differences that may arise with the above 12 points have to do with the timing of the "rapture" of the saints is like a ordering 3 greasy bacon double-cheeseburgers with extra mayo...and a diet Coke.
 

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Correct. It is translated as "week" but literally it is a "seven".
Strong's Concordance
shabua: a period of seven (days, years), heptad, week
Original Word: שְׁבוּעַ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shabua
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-boo'-ah)
Definition: a period of seven (days, years), heptad, week


New International Version
He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
Only the NIV (which I don't normally use) has the literal meaning.
The "seventy sevens" are a period of time "amputated" (Hebrew: "chatak") from something.

From what are these 70 Weeks cut off?
 

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It's not "seminary doctrine", it's simple exegesis. "Naos" is the Greek for "temple" and over and over Paul uses "naos" to describe the church.

Can't use the Greek 'naos' trick because it's also the Greek word used for the physical temple in Jerusalem, like in Matthew 23:35 and many other New Testament passages.


Let's not pretend the suggestion that the "temple of God" is symbolic for the church has no Biblical precedent in order to establish a viewpoint which is totally Jesuit Futurist. I mean, really, how does your eschatological interpretation differ from Jesuit Futurism?

No pretending. A physical temple in Jerusalem is what Apostle Paul meant in 2 Thess.2:4. It's also what Jesus was pointing to when He told His disciples there wouldn't be left one stone atop another on the temple mount on the day of vengeance, i.e., the day of His second coming (Luke 21). In Revelation 11:1-2, we are shown a standing temple in Jerusalem with those who worship within, and John isn't seeing the Dome of the Rock in that vision either. That is within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing. Our Lord Jesus returns on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe period.

You can refer to your seminary doctrine backups like Futurism and the Jesuits, but that just doesn't work, like an old record now. These numbers are all no.1 because of your crazy numbering you used. You should just type in the numbering instead for Forums like this.


Things taught by Jesuit Futurism:
  1. Only first 3 chapters of Revelation have unfolded

I'm not a Futurist. Just because there is Bible prophecy that is still future doesn't make one a Futurist. You are being deceived by men's doctrines. But nor am I a Historicist like you.

It's true that in John's day only first portions of Revelation (like Rev.2 & 3 with Christ's Messages to the seven Churches) was already history, though those 7 Messages are still active for all Churches today (they are related to the candlesticks in Heaven which are still in place). The Seals, Trumpets, and Vials were not history, still aren't history today either, as we are within them today.

  1. there will be a 7 year period of trib

The actual time of the "great tribulation" Jesus taught is for the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27 which is more detailed in Daniel 11. That latter half of the one week is what the 42 months reign of the dragon in Rev.13 is. It's also the 42 months the Gentiles tread the holy city and outer court of the new temple within the 6th Trumpet-2nd Woe period. It's also the time period when God's two witnesses in Jerusalem will prophesy for 1260 days.

  1. the 7 year trib is established by making future the 70th week of Daniel which was already fulfilled

The final "one week" of the Book of Daniel is still yet to be fulfilled. It is directly associated with the coming Antichrist to Jerusalem to end sacrifices and place an abomination idol in the temple instead. The Romans in 70 A.D. did not do this, as they tried to seize the temple, but it burned down instead. Antiochus IV serves as the example of the future Antichrist that will place the idol abomination in a new temple in today's Jerusalem. Our Lord Jesus was cut off at the end of the 69th week. Thus the 70th final week never was fulfilled.

  1. the Restrainer which prevents the rise of Antichrist is the Holy Spirit working through an Earthly agency

No such noun as "Restrainer" in God's Word. That's just a made up moniker for the one in 2 Thess.2 Paul was talking about that is withholding back the coming "man of sin" to Jerusalem until it's time for his coming. The one most likely doing the withholding is Archangel Michael, since Daniel was told by the angel that none were helping him to withhold except Michael (Dan.10). Archangel Michael is who boots Satan out of Heaven at the end, and also who locks Satan in his pit prison in the future, so that's most likely who Apostle Paul was pointing to with the one withholding. To say it's The Holy Spirit is really Biblical illiteracy, someone obviously not familiar with the Daniel 10 chapter.

  1. the Restrainer will be taken out of the way by means of a secret Rapture

There is no such thing as a secret rapture written of in God's Word. That was a doctrine John Darby got from the Edward Irving movement in 1830s Great Britain. And once again, that "Restrainer" doctrine is their doctrine, not the actual meaning by Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2.

  1. the Antichrist will arise during the trib

That is correct. The main sign Jesus warned was the Antichrist placing the "abomination of desolation" in a temple in Jerusalem, referring the events in Daniel 11. In Revelation 13, that abomination idol is called the "image of the beast".

  1. the Antichrist is NOT the papacy

That is correct. The coming Antichrist will be the devil himself, as the particular sin Paul was showing that "man of sin" in 2 Thess.2 will commit is the original sin that Satan did in the beginning that made him fall, i.e., coveting God's Throne. That is why he is coming to Jerusalem to sit in a physical temple, and claim to be God, and even over all that is called God, or that is worshiped.

The doctrines of men you listen to and heed are not preparing you for this coming event. Nor is it preparing those on a false pre-trib rapture either. You both are in the same... boat of deception and don't even know it.

  1. the Antichrist is one man, not a kingdom

True. The "antichrist" Apostle John referred to is the pseudochristos of Matthew 24:23-26 that Jesus warned us about, saying that if anyone comes up to us and says something like, "Lo, Christ is here, or there", to not believe it. That actual context of that Matt.24:23-26 Scripture is about a singular false one, not many like the KJV translators made it. Dr. James Strong translated that pseudochristos as 'a spurious Messiah' in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.


  1. the Antichrist will sit down in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem

That is just more fodder you're trying to come up with. This point has already been well covered from Scripture showing the coming Antichrist is that "man of sin" of 2 Thess.2 that will appear in Jerusalem and sit in a physical temple there.


  1. the Antichrist will broker a peace treaty between the Arabs and Israel

That's right, and don't tell me the Internationalist globalists haven't been trying to do just that for many years now! One must have their head in the sand to not see this going on today.


  1. the Antichrist will break the treaty halfway into it

That's what the Book of Daniel reveals as written in Dan.9:27, and Dan.11 for the end.


  1. the breaking of that treaty will commence Armageddon

Not true at all. The Armageddon event is hard-set for the "day of the Lord", which is the last day of this present world when Jesus comes to gather His Church. You forgot to add the falsehood pre-trib also teaches about that "day of the Lord" timing. They try to move it up to prior to the great tribulation, in order to match their rapture before the tribulation theories.


Denying one's subscription to the idea of Jesuit Futurism when the only eschatological differences that may arise with the above 12 points have to do with the timing of the "rapture" of the saints is like a ordering 3 greasy bacon double-cheeseburgers with extra mayo...and a diet Coke.

Well, you cannot prove that those things on your list were created by the Jesuits. Those men you listen to made all that Jesuit history up, along with many other hate thoughts against the pope and the Catholic Church. The Catholic system isn't even on a Pre-trib Rapture theory!
 
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Enoch111, did you miss my post #1294 or are you preparing a response? I'm interested to see what you got, bro.
 
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Can't use the Greek 'naos' trick because it's also the Greek word used for the physical temple in Jerusalem, like in Matthew 23:35 and many other New Testament passages.
I'm a prophet and didn't wot it! Didn't I predict the only point of Jesuit Futurism upon which you might differ is the popular version of it that includes the "secret rapture"?

BTW, what you call a "trick" I call a firmly established precedent for "naos" referring to the church, especially in a highly symbolic eschatological passage.
No pretending. A physical temple in Jerusalem is what Apostle Paul meant in 2 Thess.2:4.
That's totally subjective. The passage is highly symbolic and it's bad hermeneutics to insist it must be taken literally solely on the basis that if we don't it undermines our position. Let's all be objective here, please.
It's also what Jesus was pointing to when He told His disciples there wouldn't be left one stone atop another on the temple mount on the day of vengeance, i.e., the day of His second coming (Luke 21).
And Paul used "naos" as a symbol for the church repeatedly, as well.
In Revelation 11:1-2, we are shown a standing temple in Jerusalem with those who worship within, and John isn't seeing the Dome of the Rock in that vision either.
Are you really going to appeal the most symbolic book in the Bible to establish what Paul meant by "naos" in 2 Thess? Revelation 11 has absolutely nothing to do with the little speck of real estate in the Middle East - everything is now worldwide: the New Covenant invitation is worldwide, the persecution of New Covenant Christians is worldwide, the Gospel is now preached (almost) worldwide, the Two Witnesses - the Old and New Testament - are disseminated worldwide, etc., and the Temple of God is worldwide, as well.
Just because there is Bible prophecy that is still future doesn't make one a Futurist.
What makes one a Jesuit Futurist is his subscription to Jesuit Futurist eschatological interpretation.
The Seals, Trumpets, and Vials were not history, still aren't history today either, as we are within them today.
Just like Jesuit Futurism interprets it.
The actual time of the "great tribulation"...(is) also the time period when God's two witnesses in Jerusalem will prophesy for 1260 days.
Just like Jesuit Futurism interprets it.
The final "one week" of the Book of Daniel is still yet to be fulfilled. It is directly associated with the coming Antichrist to Jerusalem to end sacrifices and place an abomination idol in the temple instead.
Just like Jesuit Futurism interprets it.
Antiochus IV serves as the example of the future Antichrist that will place the idol abomination in a new temple in today's Jerusalem. Our Lord Jesus was cut off at the end of the 69th week. Thus the 70th final week never was fulfilled.
Just like Jesuit Futurism interprets it.
No such noun as "Restrainer" in God's Word. That's just a made up moniker for the one in 2 Thess.2 Paul was talking about that is withholding back the coming "man of sin" to Jerusalem until it's time for his coming. The one most likely doing the withholding is Archangel Michael, since Daniel was told by the angel that none were helping him to withhold except Michael (Dan.10).
Just like Jesuit Futurism interprets.
There is no such thing as a secret rapture written of in God's Word. That was a doctrine John Darby got from the Edward Irving movement in 1830s Great Britain. And once again, that "Restrainer" doctrine is their doctrine, not the actual meaning by Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2.
And, there it is, just like I predicted: the only point of Jesuit Futurism with which you differ.
The main sign Jesus warned was the Antichrist placing the "abomination of desolation" in a temple in Jerusalem
Just like Jesuit Futurism interprets it.
The coming Antichrist will be the devil himself...he is coming to Jerusalem to sit in a physical temple, and claim to be God, and even over all that is called God, or that is worshiped.
Just like Jesuit Futurism interprets it.
The Armageddon event is hard-set for the "day of the Lord", which is the last day of this present world when Jesus comes to gather His Church.
You don't get credit for this one, seeing that since there's no secret rapture, the only possibility is for a Second Coming Armageddon.
Well, you cannot prove that those things on your list were created by the Jesuits.
It is simply a matter of history that every single one of them either directly or indirectly came out of Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera's writings in the mid-16th century. Please put down the Futurism propaganda and research it for yourself.
The Catholic system isn't even on a Pre-trib Rapture theory!
Never said they were - the "secret rapture" was added by Darby almost two centuries later.

It's said there's no hope of getting cured until we admit we've got a problem - the only way out of the theological miasma of Jesuit Futurism is to first admit we're stuck in it.
 
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Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

Jesus and his OWN chosen Disciples supersede a mans picks of "top dog" teachers.


"Nor does the Word explicitly place the Rapture at the end of the Tribulation."

The (pre-Trib) RAPTURE, refers to "THE CHURCH" (Prepared, IN Christ,BEFORE the Tribulation), being quickly "LIFT UP" to the Lord Jesus, "IN THE CLOUDS".

The (post--Trib) GATHERING, refers to "THE SAINTS" (Prepared IN Christ DURING the Tribulation) being "GATHERED" off the Earth by God.

“The fact is that neither posttribulalionism nor pretribulationisim is an explicit teaching of Scripture. The Bible does not in so many words state either.”

The FACT is the WORD OF TRUTH must be Properly DIVIDED, to REVEAL what APPLIES to WHOM;

Pre-Trib...Paticularly Applies to the Church, the Gentiles, The Lord Jesus, His Lifting UP, A mystery.

Post-Trib...Paticularly Applies to the Saints, Israel, God, Gathering His Saints, Knowledge Foretold.

When you Fail to Divide the Truth,
You Fail in understanding the Truth.

Paul was Appointed to Teach a MYSTERY TO Gentiles, (and the Corinthians were Gentiles)

1 Cor 15:
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery;


Jesus taught A REPEAT of KNOWLEDGE TO (Lost Jews), THEY having become LOST and Unknowing to WHAT their fathers HAD been taught.

Matt 24:
[25] Behold, I have told you before.


Glory to God,
Taken
 
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I'm a prophet and didn't wot it! Didn't I predict the only point of Jesuit Futurism upon which you might differ is the popular version of it that includes the "secret rapture"?

Your mind is just all over... the map of confusion. That's what too much study of issues outside of God's Holy Writ will do to you.

I'm not on a pre-trib rapture doctrine of men. I'm not a Futurist nor Dispensationalist either. I follow God's written Word, not man's nor yours.
 

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Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

Anyone looking for direct scripture support of the famed Pre-Trib Rapture will come up empty handed. Admits Rapture heavyweight John Walvoord in his book called The Rapture Question (Findlay, OH:1957, p.148). He agrees with G. E. Ladd saying;

"Ladd, in contrast to Jones, concedes that post-tribulalional rapture is an inference rather than an explicit revelation of Scripture in the following statement:

"Nor does the Word explicitly place the Rapture at the end of the Tribulation."

“The fact is that neither posttribulalionism nor pretribulationisim is an explicit teaching of Scripture. The Bible does not in so many words state either.”

“Pretribulationism is based on the fact that it allows a harmony of the Scriptures relating to the Second Advent.”

“The separation of the translation from the return of Christ to earth permits each of the two events so different in character, to have its own place.”

“It solves the problem of the confusing and contradictory details in the post-tribulational interpretation illustrated in the difficulty of the postribulationist's themselves to work out a harmony of prophecies related to the second advent."

Another Rapture heavy-weight, Tim LaHaye says the same:

"One objection to the pre-Tribulation Rapture is that not one passage of Scripture teaches the two aspects of His Second Coming separated by the Tribulation. This is true. But then, no one passage teaches a post-trib or mid-trib Rapture, either."

Tim LaHaye, No Fear of the Storm: Why Christians Will Escape All the Tribulation (Sisters, OR: Multnomah, 1992), 69. This book was later republished as Rapture Under Attack). “That’s Not in the Bible” Gary DeMar

So despite the fact millions of books claiming the rapture flew off the shelves in the face of the failed prophecies surrounding them, why do millions of Christians believe as scripture truth the claims put forth by these?

If you believe in the pre-trib rapture, how do you support it with scripture when these cannot?
First and foremost, in all of the KJV-NT, one will NEVER FIND the words
"THE" "GREAT" "T"
ribulation.
What you will find however, are the words "out of great tribulation". Rev. 7
[14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Did you notice that when one ATTACHES the word
"the" to additional words of action, it forces it into a period of time, fabricated only by the thoughts of speculation, of which hatches A HERESY!
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Question:
Since the Death and Resurrection of Christ, HOW MANY Saints "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."??
Surely you don't believe that the ONLY Saints who have done so, exist ONLY just before RETURNS!!
See verse 9 for your answer.
 
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