Rapture vs. Second Coming

[friend of]

I found this interesting and helpful. Below are distinctions between the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ. The first same number will denote what happens at the Rapture. The second same number will denote what happens at the Second Coming.

1 Rapture Translation of all believers to incorruptible body
1 Second Coming No translation at all
2 Translated saints go to heaven
2 Translated saints return to earth
3 Earth not judged
3 Earth judged and righteousness established
4 Imminent, any-moment, signless
4 Follows definite predicted signs including tribulation
5 Not in Old Testament
5 Predicted often in Old Testament
6 Believers only
6 Affects all men and women
7 Before the day of wrath
7 Concludes the day of wrath
8 No reference to Satan
8 Satan bound
9 Christ comes for His own
9 Christ comes with His own
10 Christ comes in the air
10 Christ comes to earth
11 Christ claims His bride
11 Christ comes with His bride
12 Only His own see Him
12 Every eye shall see Him
13 Tribulation begins
13 Millennial Kingdom begins

Blessings,

 

[historyb]

Rapture is a made up fantasy from evangelicals in the 1850's.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I found this interesting and helpful. Below are distinctions between the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ. The first same number will denote what happens at the Rapture. The second same number will denote what happens at the Second Coming.

1 Rapture Translation of all believers to incorruptible body
1 Second Coming No translation at all
2 Translated saints go to heaven
2 Translated saints return to earth
3 Earth not judged
3 Earth judged and righteousness established
4 Imminent, any-moment, signless
4 Follows definite predicted signs including tribulation
5 Not in Old Testament
5 Predicted often in Old Testament
6 Believers only
6 Affects all men and women
7 Before the day of wrath
7 Concludes the day of wrath
8 No reference to Satan
8 Satan bound
9 Christ comes for His own
9 Christ comes with His own
10 Christ comes in the air
10 Christ comes to earth
11 Christ claims His bride
11 Christ comes with His bride
12 Only His own see Him
12 Every eye shall see Him
13 Tribulation begins
13 Millennial Kingdom begins

Blessings,

Well I can certainly see what is error and what is scriptural

 

[friend of]

Well I can certainly see what is error and what is scriptural

How so?

 

[Randy Kluth]

I found this interesting and helpful. Below are distinctions between the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ. The first same number will denote what happens at the Rapture. The second same number will denote what happens at the Second Coming.

1 Rapture Translation of all believers to incorruptible body
1 Second Coming No translation at all

I have to stop you right there. The Rapture takes place at the 2nd Coming. Therefore, the translation of the Church does take place at the 2nd Coming. Obviously, I'm not a Pretribulationist. You're drawing assumptions from the Scriptures that simply aren't there!

 

[CharismaticLady]

How so?

There is no where that scripture says that the alive saints come back with Christ 7 years or 3 1/2 years later, only that when Jesus returns He will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. In other words, those who have already died.

 

[Enoch111]

Rapture is a made up fantasy from evangelicals in the 1850's.

Really? Why don't you take a very close look at John 14:1-3, which was spoken in 30 AD by Christ Himself?

 

[Enoch111]

There is no where that scripture says that the alive saints come back with Christ 7 years or 3 1/2 years later, only that when Jesus returns He will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. In other words, those who have already died.

Lady, you are seriously confused. Kindly take some time to carefully study the matter.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Really? Why don't you take a very close look at John 14:1-3, which was spoken in 30 AD by Christ Himself?

One does not have to believe in a secret rapture to believe in the second coming of Christ.

 

[Enoch111]

The Rapture takes place at the 2nd Coming.

If the Rapture takes place at the Second Coming, then who comes with Christ from Heaven?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Lady, you are seriously confused. Kindly take some time to carefully study the matter.

Your John 14 verse is not the secret rapture, but the second coming of Christ.

 

[Enoch111]

One does not have to believe in a secret rapture to believe in the second coming of Christ.

Did you read and study that Scripture, since you just snapped out a response?

 

[CharismaticLady]

If the Rapture takes place at the Second Coming, then who comes with Christ from Heaven?

1 Thes. 4 says those who sleep in Jesus.

 

[Enoch111]

Your John 14 verse is not the secret rapture, but the second coming of Christ.

Which means you do not even know what the Second Coming entails. Start with Revelation 1:7.

 

[Enoch111]

1 Thes. 4 says those who sleep in Jesus.

What about "and we which are alive"?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Did you read and study that Scripture, since you just snapped out a response?

Do you think this is the first time I've studied this? I can snap out a huge amount of answers, just like you can. We've both studied, but I don't add to Scripture.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Which means you do not even know what the Second Coming entails. Start with Revelation 1:7.

Yes, that is the second coming. He comes with His angels.


Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 25:31
[ The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations ] “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.

Mark 8:38
For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

 

[CharismaticLady]

What about "and we which are alive"?

And remain...

There will still be people alive to see Christ's second coming

 

[friend of]

If the Rapture takes place at the Second Coming, then who comes with Christ from Heaven?

Right. Going up and immediately coming back down seems off.

 

[historyb]

Really? Why don't you take a very close look at John 14:1-3, which was spoken in 30 AD by Christ Himself?

Wow you really are goofy that says nothing about made up Rapture heretical pagan beliefs that many of you evangelicals love.