Reason for The Crusades explained

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Wrangler

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I both confirm and affirm “the vital role violence plays in God’s plan to rid the world of evil, once and for all.”

You know that. You’ve even told others that I do.

Confirmation and affirmation aren’t denial.
You bring up a great point. OTOH, you do affirm it in theory. Sadly, OTOH, you deny in practice the vital role violence plays in God's plan to rid the world of violence, of which we are a part.

You remind me of that Seinfeld episode where Jerry bet Kramer that he would not stop doing something. Kramer said the bet was off as could stop. Jerry pointed out that was the bet; not that he couldn't but wouldn't stop. LOL
 
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“As the hammer that nailed those Theses has continually reverberated through the pages of Christian history, a quiet pen that beckoned an ecclesiastical revolution has gone unnoticed by the vast majority of those who fondly study the past. Yet, it can be argued convincingly that the pen of Balthasar Hubmaier (1480-1528), the first and foremost theologian of the Anabaptist (Free Church) movement of the sixteenth century, has influenced more people than even that of Luther. Whereas Luther’s writings changed a Church, Hubmaier’s writings - in due time - helped change the world.

In his brief thirty-six-point thesis titled On Heretics and Those Who Burn Them (1524), Hubmaier, once a Catholic priest who exiled Jews from his parish and demolished their synagogue, became the first to advocate complete religious liberty during the Protestant Reformation. Years before his time, Hubmaier not only argued for the religious liberty of dissenting Christians, but also stated that Muslims should be allowed to practice their religion without fear of persecution. In fact, to punish those of a different religion was antithetical to winning them to the Christian faith. He explained that Muslims ‘cannot be overcome by our doing, neither by sword nor by fire, but alone with patience and supplication, whereby we patiently await divine judgment.’

Obviously, this system of thought was not welcome by most of those in power. …”

(Christian Jihad, pp. 176-177)

The religious freedom we enjoy today didn’t come to us from the state-run church; it came to us from the heavily persecuted Free Church, the Anabaptists.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch … dissenting Christians were hunted like animals, captured, tortured, and killed by the Catholics and by the Protestants.
 

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“As persecution of Anabaptists increased, many of the radicals fled to safer arenas in southern Germany and Austria. But due to the leadership of Luther in Germany and Catholic Charles V in the Holy Roman Empire itself, the future was not any brighter in these locations for these brave believers. In fact, in 1529, German princes, many of whom followed the tenets of Luther, were summoned to an imperial diet, convened to decide how to eradicate the threat of the Anabaptists. Charles V, the Holy Roman Emperor, declared the following mandate upon all his territory:

’Whereas it is ordered and provided in common law that no man, having once been baptized according to Christian order, shall let himself be baptized again or for the second time, nor shall he baptize any such, and especially is it forbidden in the imperial law to do such on pain of death ... This old sect of Anabaptism, condemned and forbidden many centuries ago, day by day makes greater inroads and is getting the upper hand. In order to prevent such evil and what may proceed from it, … every Anabaptist and rebaptized man and woman of the age of reason shall be condemnedand brought from natural life into death by fire, sword, and like.’”

(Christian Jihad, p. 163)

I was rebaptized. I also baptized and rebaptized others during my ministry. Had I lived in the 16th century …

”… police were hired to handle the ‘problem.’ In Inquisition fashion, law enforcement roamed from city to city hunting down the radical reformers. In fact, so many Anabaptists popped up that Charles V had to increase his force tenfold to carry out the inquisitor’s task.”

(Ibid., p. 164)

The Free Church (Anabaptists) -> viewed as “enemies of the state” because of their religious views, not because they wanted to overthrow the state.
 

Matthias

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So, what happened to Hubmaier? I pick up his story here.

”After escaping the torturous punishment of Protestant reformer Ulrich Zwingli in Zurich, Hubmaier was invited to pastor a Baptist church in Nikolsburg, Moravia (modern-day Mikulov, Czech Republic. Within fourteen months of his arrival, the pastor-theologian had baptized between six and twelve thousand candidates who voluntarily professed their faith in Jesus Christ and desired membership within the local body of believers. In essence, Hubmaier proved his belief in an open society true. Nikolsburg, led by Lichtenstein nobility, was known for its religious freedom within the borders of the town. Catholics, Lutherans, Anabaptists, and other groups all co-existed peacefully.

The Roman Catholic hierarchy had seen enough as King Ferdinand called for the prompt arrest of the arch-heretic. If the Lichtenstein family did not comply, they would be removed from power and lose any hope of continuing some vestige of religious toleration. They thus acquiesced to the request and handed Hubmaier over to the Austrian authorities. His end was inevitable.

Repeatedly placed on the torture rack, Hubmaier never gave in to recantation, but instead, as an eyewitness expressed, was ‘fixed like an immovable rock in his heresy.’ On March 10, 1528, Hubmaier was brought to the place of execution where he was to be burned at the stake. While his wife of three years , Elsbeth, encouraged her husband to stand firm, Hubmaier was stripped of his clothes and his beard was laden with sulphur and gunpowder. The fire was lighted, his beard and hair was set ablaze, and he died.

Hubmaier was put to death on the formal charge of heresy and sedition. The former charge had to do with his repudiation of Roman Catholic doctrine, the latter with the supposed rejection of civil authority. But Hubmaier unquestionably believed in the right of the state to defend itself and the right of Christians to serve in positions of political prominence, as can be seen in his work On the Sword, published the same year as his arrest. However, Hubmaier denied that the state has any right to interfere in religious matters. To the Catholics in power, this one lapse was seen as a referendum on the entire constitution of the Empire and thetefore must be publicly suppressed. Hubmaier paid the ultimate price for a belief that today is considered foundational to much of Western society. The road to religious liberty was largely paved through a small town on the Austrian-Czech border by a little-known theological giant.”

(Christian Jihad, pp. 177-178)
 

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Your “defenders” persecuted religious freedom -> killing Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

”A house divided against itself cannot stand.” - Jesus

Bonus: ”United we stand, divided we fall“ - Motto of the Commonwealth of Kentucky, adopted in 1792

The reputation of Christianity was severely damaged by the Crusades but Christianity isn’t dead, and never will be.

I advocate defending against evil the way Jesus and the apostles taught and modeled, and the early church obeyed and followed.

What do I receive in return for it from people like you? Mild persecution.
 

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I affirm it in both theory and practice.
Yes indeed my friend . Vengeance is of THE LORD and not of men .
But as you can see mr wrangler is being made ready for the great crusade to come .
The one BOTH sides who sat under ecueincalism will have been made ready for my friend .
And they will all believe it is the will of their god whom they beleive IS GOD
when actual sheep are rounded up .
YOU SEE THIS RELIGOIN IS KNOWN AS INCLUSVISM . and oh yes
the merged inclusive religoin of all religoins meant only to MERGE THE DECIEVED
WILL BECOME LAW .
WHEN IT DO . anything the so called inclusive religion , RUN BY A POWERFUL AI LED DIGITAL system of THE WHOLE WORLD
, DEEMS to be hate , DEEMS to be an enemy , deems to be not inclusive ,
WILL BE ENEMY NUMBER ONE of the global religoin of anti christ , THEY call INCLUSIVSIM .
wrangler and the trumpsters
THe liberal left and its side
NIETHER KNOWS THEY BEING RUN by the same ENTITY . TO prepare them all
unto the BEAST . oh yeah wrangler is being duped as is the left , as are many in christendom and the false religoins .
ONLY they cant see through it . they see ONLY what THEIR SIDE tells them .
 

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you should have been aware of another I . this I is the religion and the only religion
that could have ever united the false religons and most even of all of christendom right to the god
they all beleive IS GOD . INCLUSVISM . YOU ALL BEING SOLD THIS LIE and not a one of you can see through it .
YOU all have no idea THIS religoin IS THE ONE WORLD RELGIION . Nor that both sides , as well as trump and v ance
DO SELL unto you as well .
YOUR ALL being prepared for the coming GREAT CRUSADE . And you all
will beleive YOU do the will of GOD when sheep like me , ARE CAST OUT and even KILLED for what YOU
will beleive is necessary for yalls WORLD PEACE N SAFETY . ONLY
YOU really should have read the bible . THIS PEACE BE OF ANTI CHRIST , NOT GOD .
JESUS GOT SOLD OUT and none cares so long as trump or their side can b ring us peace on earth .
BETTER watch out and better wake up . I dont say that cause i fear what is to come against me .
I SAY It for yalls sakes . cause IF THIS can come against the true sheep
WHAT ON EARTH IS COmING AGAINST THE DRY ONE on JESUS DAY . Better we flee all politicians and anything ecumeincal
NOW . And i mean RIGHT now .
 
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That boat stunk and sunk.

You’re perpetuating a behavior that impedes the spreading of the gospel.
my friend they all been sold another gospel and that gospel THEY beleive WILL bring peace on earth .
THERE IS NO STOPPING this . IT will run its course and it will take all not in the lambs book of life
to the we are ONE merged religoin of anti christ , they BELIEVE IS OF GOD .
ALL we can do is warn , correct, POINT ONLY TO JESUS , ONLY to sound doctrine
and pray and hope SOME HEAR .
 

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Projecting. Can’t promote the Gidpel if your either dead or a Muslim.

Jesus and the apostles were killed by their enemies. They are the gold standard for promoting the gospel without following your teaching.

The early church followed the way of Jesus and the apostles in response to persecution by their enemies. That’s what I’m for. That’s what you’re against.
 
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That boat stunk and sunk.

You’re perpetuating a behavior that impedes the spreading of the gospel.
The ship of the ecumenical harlot WILL BE SUNK on JESUS DAY by HE HIMSELF .
till then know and understand
our betrayer and betrayal iS at the door . WHEN THE INCLUSIVE ONE STANDS
and HIS RELIGION becomes law , GREAT Persecutions will arise swiftly and quickly against ALL
who did not conform to the love of a harlot and her ecumeincal peace plan .
Fear not what is or what is coming .
Sheep have bled and died throughout the ages . And if this can come upon the true sheep
JUST what do YOU THINK will come upon this world , ON THE DAY OF THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY and the LAMB .
THEY do not CARE THAT JESUS has been trod under foot
THEY c are only about the message of their man and men and who can give them their best life now .
All we can do is warn , expose , point only TO CHRIST and pray some hear and repent .
 

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Jesus and the apostles were killed by their enemies. They are the gold standard for promoting the gospel without following your teaching.

The early church followed the way of Jesus and the apostles in response to persecution by their enemies. That’s what I’m for. That’s what you’re against.
to the trenches and stand firm . foreheads of flint . THIS is gonna get much worse and fast too .
The time will come when those who kill you will beleive they do the will of GOD for world peace .
The digital AI system is a powerful one indeed . And any and all who coform not
to the image of this other god , NO BUY , NO SELL , cast out and persecuted to even the death .
AND ALL will believe this was the only way for to attain peace n safety of the world . WELL
when i say all , I mean ALL NOT IN THE LAMBS Book of LIFE .
 
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Jesus and the apostles were killed by their enemies. They are the gold standard for promoting the gospel without following your teaching.

The early church followed the way of Jesus and the apostles in response to persecution by their enemies. That’s what I’m for. That’s what you’re against.
The parable of the They who see not but say WE SEE .
There once dwelt an ecumienical lot of folk .
And they cried daily unto those who refused to conform .
COME , COME and SHOW US THIS FOREST you speak of .........
And so the sheep said , COME to and behold this great forest of billions of trees .
And they said , ALAS that is no forest it is but billions of trees . And knew not TILL THE DAY OF THE LORD
that HEY folks A FOREST IS Billions of TREES .
THEY SEE THE TREES
WE SEE THE TREES
but they cannot discern it is a forest . Not looking g ood at all my friend .
 
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Jesus and the apostles were killed by their enemies. They are the gold standard for promoting the gospel without following your teaching.

The early church followed the way of Jesus and the apostles in response to persecution by their enemies. That’s what I’m for. That’s what you’re against.
They followed the way of JESUS , SO TOO do his sheep today . its those who dont I FEAR big time for my friend .
CAUSE JESUS DIDNT CHANGE , THE TRUTH DIDNT CHANGE .
THEY changed the TRUTH into a lie is what occured my friend . And that wont bode well at all for any who did and does
such a thing .