Reason for The Crusades explained

[Armour of God]

 

[amigo de christo]

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BIBLICAL JESUS CHRIST CHRISTIANITY . but what i see in most places AINT IT . many follow men , NOT G OD .
And that is and will be their own DOWNFALL .

 

[NayborBear]

That boat stunk and sunk.

You’re perpetuating a behavior that impedes the spreading of the gospel.

No? That's not the way I "see" it AT ALL!

The WAY/S I see it? And the "way/s" you have and are CONSTANTLY "criminalizing?" And? I'll have to lay the Blame here, as BLINDNESS! Not just on YOUR part! But everyone that takes this "Pascifistic Route" you keep INSISTENTLY stating is the "FULL BODY OF CHRIST!" Because it ISN'T!

I know what you're going to say, even before you say it! And? NO! It ISN'T some "Symbiotic Relationship" between just and unjust, between good and evil, between Light and darkness. What it IS however? Is the "FULLER body OF Christ!"
Of the which? As the Apostle Paul warns about? Is like the heart and mouth "evangelizing" the masses, saying to the hands and feet?":
"We've NO NEED of you!"

I'm hoping to, if not getting YOU to see, then someone reading these postings to see?

You NEED people that WAR! Clearing the pathway/s to WHERE you CAN evangelize!
Thing is? Through these kinds of "Plausible Deniability" doctrines you keep perpetuating?
You incessantly CRIMINALIZE those who even made your "Passability?" "POSSIBILIE!!"

And doing SUCH? Denying the POWER of God! Whom "works in MYSTERIOUS WAYS!"
Of WHICH, as ones' having NO understanding? Are BLIND to!

Case in point!:
Psalms 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTIL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.
NOW!? WHAT part of the second half of that "declaration" do you NOT understand?
Secondly.....Do you SEE how you DENY the POWER of He who SENT Christ?
Ya see? It's like the parable of the field hands whom the Master of the field hired to WORK the field. Some being hired at the beginning, the middle, and the end of the "day."
And the ones' working from the beginning said unto the Master, having noticed that those hired at the end of the day received the SAME PAY as those who worked ALL the "day!"

Matthew 20:10-12

But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny*.
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Matthew 20:13
But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny*?

* Salvation

I'm just so BLOWN away at how the GOD and Father that SENT Christ Jesus with this GOOD NEWS can (seemingly) be "honored" Concerning He who was sent in one breath? Yet? CRIMINALIZED for USING His POWER!

And yet have the NERVE telling me they DON'T treat GOD The Father "Like Chopped Liver!"

 

[Wrangler]

Psalms 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTIL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.
NOW!? WHAT part of the second half of that "declaration" do you NOT understand?

You’ve mentioned this verse several times. Let’s explore what the second half means in the context of his anti-Scriptural pacifism. The LORD God, the Father, is telling our Lord Jesus to rest, to sit at his . While Jesus is sitting, The LORD God, the Father, is defeating our Lord’s enemies, making them subject to our Lord Jesus. The second half means The LORD God, the Father will use force to subdue thine enemies. Is that accurate?

 

[NayborBear]

The LORD God, the Father will use force to subdue thine enemies. Is that accurate?

Yes! If, and so many oft times AS needed! YES!!
When a carpenter works in a bent wood furniture shop.
Does the wood "yield WILLINGLY?
NOPE!
The "point" I was trying to make however, is that we are NECESSARY TO AND FOR Each other!
1) For the Father's sake unto His only begotten?
2) The Son's Spreading Our Father's GOOD NEWS!

 

[Matthias]

You’ve mentioned this verse several times. Let’s explore what the second half means in the context of his anti-Scriptural pacifism. The LORD God, the Father, is telling our Lord Jesus to rest, to sit at his . While Jesus is sitting, The LORD God, the Father, is defeating our Lord’s enemies, making them subject to our Lord Jesus. The second half means The LORD God, the Father will use force to subdue thine enemies. Is that accurate?

Romans 13 has it covered in the present evil age and the Messiah’s government has it covered in the age to come.

 

[Matthias]

No? That's not the way I "see" it AT ALL!

The WAY/S I see it? And the "way/s" you have and are CONSTANTLY "criminalizing?" And? I'll have to lay the Blame here, as BLINDNESS! Not just on YOUR part! But everyone that takes this "Pascifistic Route" you keep INSISTENTLY stating is the "FULL BODY OF CHRIST!" Because it ISN'T!

I know what you're going to say, even before you say it! And? NO! It ISN'T some "Symbiotic Relationship" between just and unjust, between good and evil, between Light and darkness. What it IS however? Is the "FULLER body OF Christ!"
Of the which? As the Apostle Paul warns about? Is like the heart and mouth "evangelizing" the masses, saying to the hands and feet?":
"We've NO NEED of you!"

I'm hoping to, if not getting YOU to see, then someone reading these postings to see?

You NEED people that WAR! Clearing the pathway/s to WHERE you CAN evangelize!
Thing is? Through these kinds of "Plausible Deniability" doctrines you keep perpetuating?
You incessantly CRIMINALIZE those who even made your "Passability?" "POSSIBILIE!!"

And doing SUCH? Denying the POWER of God! Whom "works in MYSTERIOUS WAYS!"
Of WHICH, as ones' having NO understanding? Are BLIND to!

Case in point!:
Psalms 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTIL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.
NOW!? WHAT part of the second half of that "declaration" do you NOT understand?
Secondly.....Do you SEE how you DENY the POWER of He who SENT Christ?
Ya see? It's like the parable of the field hands whom the Master of the field hired to WORK the field. Some being hired at the beginning, the middle, and the end of the "day."
And the ones' working from the beginning said unto the Master, having noticed that those hired at the end of the day received the SAME PAY as those who worked ALL the "day!"

Matthew 20:10-12

But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny*.
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Matthew 20:13
But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny*?

* Salvation

I'm just so BLOWN away at how the GOD and Father that SENT Christ Jesus with this GOOD NEWS can (seemingly) be "honored" Concerning He who was sent in one breath? Yet? CRIMINALIZED for USING His POWER!

And yet have the NERVE telling me they DON'T treat GOD The Father "Like Chopped Liver!"

Since we’ve been through it before, the only question I have is whether or not @Wrangler goes along with your questioning of the canon of scripture and your enthusiasm for Gnosticism.

 

[NayborBear]

Since we’ve been through it before, the only question I have is whether or not @Wrangler goes along with your questioning of the canon of scripture and your enthusiasm for Gnosticism.

Oh My!.........It is more than just the gnostic records that, enthuses me! I get much enthused over the Book of Enoch, Jasher. and the Book of Jubilees also.
Cuz ya see? Not only does the "canonized" Bible enthuse me as well?
Most all the books that DIDN'T get canonized enthuse me also!
Books of the "Apocrypha" enthuse me also!

So?........It's NOT the "canon!" Because it's good! BUT, IT AIN'T ALL!
It's the "canonizers" I have the issue/s with!
And I know ya wanna know why!
So, I'll show ya why!
John 21:
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

So you should be able to see there's MORE than "the canon!"
Now, you may well say, or believe that ALL this "reeks of gnostisim!"
Well? You DO have the right to be wrong!

 

[Matthias]

It's the "canonizers" I have the issue/s with!

In addition to his view on Gnosticism, I’m asking if @Wrangler has issues with the “canonizers” too.

 

[Matthias]

“In 1208, Pope Innocent III declared a major crusade to destroy the Albigenses. Some 20,000 knights and peasants answered the call, forming an army that scourged southern France, smashing towns where the belief was strong. When the beseiged city of Beziers fell, soldiers asked papal legate Arnold Amaric (Arnaud Amaury) how they could distinguish the infidel from the faithful among the captives. He commanded: ‘Kill them all. God will know His own.’ Thousands were slaughtered - many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses or used for target practice. The legate reported to the pope: ‘God’s wrath has raged in wondrous wise against the city.’

This was the beginning of numerous ‘internal crusades’ against nonconforming Christians and rebellious lords.

Another group targeted for extermination were the Waldensians, followers of Peter Waldo of Lyon, lay preachers who sermonized in the streets. The church decreed that only priests could preach, and commanded them to cease. They persisted. The Waldensians had been excommunicated as heretics at the Council of Verona in 1184, and the Albigensian crusade was directed at them as well. Executions ensued for five centuries. The lay preachers fled to Germany and Italy, where they frequently were caught and burned. …”

(James A. Haught, “Holy Horrors: Killing Heretics”)

Holy Horrors: Killing Heretics

In 1208, Pope Innocent III declared a major crusade to destroy the Albigenses. Some 20,000 knights and peasants answered the call.

churchandstate.org.uk

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear

This is what you‘re defending “in the name of Jesus.”

Look again at the drawing. You don’t think this damages Jesus? You don’t think this betrays him? You don’t think this hinders the spreading of the gospel to non-believers?

 

[amigo de christo]

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“In 1208, Pope Innocent III declared a major crusade to destroy the Albigenses. Some 20,000 knights and peasants answered the call, forming an army that scourged southern France, smashing towns where the belief was strong. When the beseiged city of Beziers fell, soldiers asked papal legate Arnold Amaric (Arnaud Amaury) how they could distinguish the infidel from the faithful among the captives. He commanded: ‘Kill them all. God will know His own.’ Thousands were slaughtered - many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses or used for target practice. The legate reported to the pope: ‘God’s wrath has raged in wondrous wise against the city.’

This was the beginning of numerous ‘internal crusades’ against nonconforming Christians and rebellious lords.

Another group targeted for extermination were the Waldensians, followers of Peter Waldo of Lyon, lay preachers who sermonized in the streets. The church decreed that only priests could preach, and commanded them to cease. They persisted. The Waldensians had been excommunicated as heretics at the Council of Verona in 1184, and the Albigensian crusade was directed at them as well. Executions ensued for five centuries. The lay preachers fled to Germany and Italy, where they frequently were caught and burned. …”

(James A. Haught, “Holy Horrors: Killing Heretics”)

Holy Horrors: Killing Heretics

In 1208, Pope Innocent III declared a major crusade to destroy the Albigenses. Some 20,000 knights and peasants answered the call.

churchandstate.org.uk

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@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear

This is what you‘re defending “in the name of Jesus.”

Yea rather let us defend the one true gospel of JESUS the Christ . Every lovely Word he taught .
but many had rather defend what their man says. That my friend has always led to destruction .
Many have chosen to live by the SWORD OF MEN
and not the HOLY DOUBLE EDGED SWORD of the WORDS OF THE LORD .
If biden or harris were to call for crusades their side would hear them as would the trump camp hear its sides call to arms .
SOON a king and kings who appear to be neutral and inclusive will MAKE LAW the INCLUSIVE RELIGION OF the WORLD .
When they do , CRUSADES against any and against all that did not and will not conform WILL BEGIN .
And beleive me when i say , THEY WILL BELIEVE THEY DO THE WILL OF GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Unto those who continue in this ecumenical boat of which both sides do lead them ,
will soon hear the cry and the calls of an inclusive one and ones .
To them it will sound like the cry of absolution and a cure for all ills of the world .
To them it will sound as music playing to the tune of a utopian world .
To them it will be what they beleive to be IS the CALL of GOD and HIS plan for an earthen kingdom on earth .
To the sheep they will know it be of anti christ and that its peace will surely work to the destruction of all who sat under it and its kings .

 

[amigo de christo]

Romans 13 has it covered in the present evil age and the Messiah’s government has it covered in the age to come.

Did you ever see or hear of JESUS calling for crusades against any that did not conform .
Did you ever see paul , james and others going around and calling for a powerful govt
and a means to protect them and to defend them .
Did you ever see paul or others preach we must find common ground with the false religoins .
DID you ever see them preaching politics , hopes in men .
NOPE .
FOR cursed is the man whose hope be in man and maketh flesh his strength .
WHO and what DID they preach . THE GOSPEL and all things JESUS did teach .
What was their hope in . NOT THE EARTHEN but the HEAVENLY and in THAT GOD and IN HIS CHRIST .
now tell me
WHEN we see such a merger of politics and religoin , HAVE YOU EVER SEEN
the focus ON ALL the teachings of JESUS
Or rather on a few of His teachings by which OF couRSE they do twist them .
WHEN we see the merger of the heavenly with the earthen
YOU wanna know what i seen throughout history . BLOOD . BLOOD eventually came against those
WHO WOULD NOT BEND THE KNEE and CONFORM .
AND I DARN SURE DIDNT SEE THIS FOCUS ON TRUE EVANGELISM for to win souls .
When the world cometh , when men come , when leaders come
and holler LET US HAVE PEACE and this is the way to attain it . MIGHT I SUGGEST ALL FLEE FROM SUCH .
cause look in the bible and throughout history and those who did so .
ALWAYS blood followed . AND IT WILL AGAIN .

 

[Lambano]

And beleive me when i say , THEY WILL BELIEVE THEY DO THE WILL OF GOD .

 

[NayborBear]

In addition to his view on Gnosticism, I’m asking if @Wrangler has issues with the “canonizers” too.

Aren't you asking the WRONG poster?
You certainly ask a LOT of questions for someone wanting to ASK, or know ONLY one thing?
But have this seemingly EVASIVENESS when it comes to SOMEONE(?) ANYONE(?) asking questions of YOU?

Such as?: "Would you DEFEND the Faith to "a/THEE" point of "physical harm to the OPPRESSOR, verses YOU or those with and/or NEAR YOU?"
And?
"Would you "CONTEND FOR the Faith" to "a/THEE" point of CAUSING physical harm to some/anyone violently RESISTING your CONTENDINGS?

OR?
"Would you use your "per usual" EVASIVE "tactics/strategies" of using NON-answers as YOUR answer/s?" Shrugging off such inquiries as: "I owe NO answer/s to such inquiries!"

As you may "NOTE" here? I'm NOT asking someone else what THEY may THINK,or NOT think, what YOUR answer may or may not be!

 

[NayborBear]

Yea rather let us defend the one true gospel of JESUS the Christ . Every lovely Word he taught .
but many had rather defend what their man says. That my friend has always led to destruction .
Many have chosen to live by the SWORD OF MEN
and not the HOLY DOUBLE EDGED SWORD of the WORDS OF THE LORD .
If biden or harris were to call for crusades their side would hear them as would the trump camp hear its sides call to arms .
SOON a king and kings who appear to be neutral and inclusive will MAKE LAW the INCLUSIVE RELIGION OF the WORLD .
When they do , CRUSADES against any and against all that did not and will not conform WILL BEGIN .
And beleive me when i say , THEY WILL BELIEVE THEY DO THE WILL OF GOD .

JUST SO HAPPENS "Meho":
So do THESE guys:

..........And YOUR defense would be?.........WHAT Meho?!!

 

[amigo de christo]

JUST SO HAPPENS "Meho":
So do THESE guys:
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..........And YOUR defense would be?.........WHAT Meho?!!

parnder i aint the one sitting under ecumeincalism and its interfaith . you all are .
Acting like all religoins need to merge as one etc .
I dont fear the muslim . Their god is satan . as is the gods of hindu and any other false religoin . ITs papa be satan .
Will you say the same . OR shall ye continue with interfaith interreligious dialgoue who is a symathizer
of anti christ and its inclusive religoin . The muslims dont scare me my friend .
They scare YOU . and yes some of their are deadly dangerous .
But so were times in pauls days , stevens days . THEY DIDNT PICK up the sword and kill their enemies .
THEY died forgiving them . YOU might wanna pick the bible up again and read it for you and ONLY FOR YOU .
Hurry .

 

[Matthias]

Aren't you asking the WRONG poster?

No. You muddied the water and I clarified for @Wrangler what I was asking him about.

You certainly ask a LOT of questions for someone wanting to ASK, or know ONLY one thing?
But have this seemingly EVASIVENESS when it comes to SOMEONE(?) ANYONE(?) asking questions of YOU?

Such as?: "Would you DEFEND the Faith to "a/THEE" point of "physical harm to the OPPRESSOR, verses YOU or those with and/or NEAR YOU?"
And?
"Would you "CONTEND FOR the Faith" to "a/THEE" point of CAUSING physical harm to some/anyone violently RESISTING your CONTENDINGS?

OR?
"Would you use your "per usual" EVASIVE "tactics/strategies" of using NON-answers as YOUR answer/s?" Shrugging off such inquiries as: "I owe NO answer/s to such inquiries!"

As you may "NOTE" here? I'm NOT asking someone else what THEY may THINK,or NOT think, what YOUR answer may or may not be!

I’ve answered all of these questions, in this thread and in others.

Please see post #2090.

 

[amigo de christo]

In addition to his view on Gnosticism, I’m asking if @Wrangler has issues with the “canonizers” too.

THey call for crusades .
but lets see JESUS and what HE called to do to those who reject the truth .
HE said SHAKE THE DUST OFF your feet as a testimony against them and MOVE ON .
Now what did he call for about dangerous enemies and those who would persecute you and even kill you .
OH YEAH , HE SAID PRAY FOR THEM . HE never said pick up the sword and kill them .
HE said PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU .
Never conform to their ways . never be unequally yoked with such .
BUT never once did he say PUT ANYONE to death .
In fact HE did say something else that might shock these crusaders to the very core .
HE said IF YE LOVE only those who LOVE YOU what thanks have you
for EVEN SINNERS CAN DO THE SAME .
i TELL you to LOVE YOUR ENEMIES , to DO GOOD to them .
Kinda strange they say , pick up teh SWORD , and yet even they thsemlves
are merging into the inclusive ALL ACCEPTING RELIGOIN of anti christ .
Something has went dead wrong my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

JUST SO HAPPENS "Meho":
So do THESE guys:
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..........And YOUR defense would be?.........WHAT Meho?!!

it aint me sitting under ecumeincal intefaith . ITs you all . you all run to man for protection
cause you FEAR . i dont fear the muslim . Though a mulsim is an anti christ religoin .
YOU just watch and wait . THe lips of yalls savoirs will soon
CRY and make cliam that ALL RELIGOINS are serving the same GOD . that we just need to be one for world peace .
IT aint me thinking man can protect me from anyone .
I HAVE GOD . HE will protect me . AND when my time is up HE might allow me to be killed .
HE kept peter from dying in prison the first time . BUT WHEN Peters time was up
THEY Would kill him . I AINT W ORRIED about none of this stuff . GOD IS IN CONTROL .
And my HELP comes FROM HIM . hope that helps .