Yet? You are STILL Throwing Jesus and the apostles heavenly Father "Under the bus" at EVERY turn!
In fact, I’ve never thrown the heavenly Father of Jesus and the apostles “under the bus” at any turn. Just as they are Jewish monotheists, so am I.
Just as ALL the authors from ALL these books (can you even THINK "traditions of man" here?) in theirs and yours CONTINUED RELENTLESS degradation's of not only WHAT GOD the FATHER DID? But even the "WHY HE DID IT THE WAY HE DID!"
The books I’ve quoted and alluded to were written by the New Testament authors, church leaders in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, church historians, Christian and Muslim participants in the Crusades, 19th century preachers - one of which
@Wrangler has identified as one of his favorite Christian authors, 20th century Christian pastors and theologians, 21st century writers who converted from Islam to Christianity, etc.
So as you keep insisting that ones' such as Armour of GOD, and Wrangler, and I, are playing "devil's advocates?"
What I keep insisting is that you aren’t following the teaching and example of Jesus and the apostles. You’ve acknowledged that you aren’t. The other two haven’t.
None of "yours", and ESPECIALLY all the authors of all these books fail COMPLETELY, save for the "gaslighting effect", in even SLIGHTLY giving any credit, let alone homage, to those "advocates of GOD the FATHER!
The authors, most of whom you’ve never read for yourself, haven’t persuaded you.
I wonder how you and these authors would "VIEW" the "Flood of Noah?"
For their view, read them for yourself. For my view, see below.
Wasn't that "evil and dasteredly and horrible" that ALL those "INNOCENT PEOPLE" were DROWNED? Along with the ones' that were NOT SO innocent!
What the Father did wasn’t “evil and dastardly and horrible.” There were no innocent people drowned.
You might retort that: "He didn't use weapons of the WORLD did He?"
Well? When "advocating for HIS OWN sake, AS WELL as HIS ONLY begotten Son's SAKE?
HE HAS to! Call THESE "atrocities" if you will?
"OBJECT LESSONS!"
In the HOPES that the "SHEEPS" of Jesus and the apostles, would "GET A CLUE!"......."PLEASE!"......."GET A CLUE!"
The Father didn’t use the weapons of the world. He used water. What he did wasn’t an atrocity. It was righteous judgement.
While the Father can use the weapons of the world - I’ve cited biblical examples demonstrating that he has - to accomplish his purpose, he doesn’t ever have to use them. The flood in Noah’s days proves that. The plagues in Egypt prove it. The fire and brimstone at Sodom and Gomorrah prove it. A spoken word from his mouth can accomplish it. I’m sure we could identify other examples that prove it.
Matthew 21:1-4
And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,
2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.
4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,......
The owner/s of the ass and the colt were "obviously" NOT Jews! As they would have already BEEN in Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover!
The donkey was procured in a village on or very near the Mount of Olives. When the disciples untied the animal, bystanders asked what they were doing. Who are the bystanders? Jews or Gentiles? Those are our only options. If they were Jews friendly toward Jesus there would be no objection or resistance offered. That fits the narrative. If they were Jews hostile to Jesus, they must either have worked for the Jewish owners of the donkey or were made aware by the owner that some Jews would be coming for the donkey and had permission to take it. That fits the narrative.
That leaves Gentiles for us to consider. Gentiles didn’t live on the Mount of Olives at the time, nor in small villages located nearby. We can quickly and easily rule them out.
The owners of donkey were obviously Jews.
What day of the week did Jesus ride the donkey into Jerusalem on? Sunday. Right? It occurs on the Sunday before the Passover meal is prepared and eaten. What day of the week was the Passover meal prepared? Thursday. When was the Passover meal eaten? Early on Friday, which began at sunset.
The distance from the Mount of Olives to Jerusalem is roughly 2/3 of a mile. Jews living on or near the Mount of Olives could easily have walked to Jerusalem in plenty of time to celebrate the Passover.
Your assertion that if the owners of the donkey were Jews they would have already been in Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover is untenable.
I'm thinking they were PROBABLY "ESSENES!"
You just asked me to believe that the owners of the donkey were “obviously not Jews!”
The Essenes were members of a Jewish sect. Essenes are Jews. They aren’t mentioned in the New Testament. We know about their existence from other sources. Have you read Josephus?
In other words? "ADVOCATES FOR GOD THE FATHER!"
So your argument then is this: the owners of the donkey which Jesus rode into Jerusalem on were probably Essenes, not Gentiles but part of a religious community who were “obviously not Jews,” advocates for God the Father.
I’m not persuaded.
@Wrangler @Armour of God are either of you persuaded?
Luke 9:50
And Jesus said unto him,
Forbid him
not:
for he that
is not against us is for us.
Jesus knew! GOD the FATHER KNOWS!
Men?.........Over the years?.........NOT SO MUCH!
Meaning what?!
Meaning that over the past 75-100 years or so?
The "Mustard Seed" had not even "germinated!"
And? 2100 +years er so LATER?
It STILL hasn't "germinated!"
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Brought to us ALL by that "prince of darkness!"
