JohnPaul
Soldier of Jehovah and Christ
Good for you.I provided my reasons in the beginning of this thread why the JW religion is false.
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Good for you.I provided my reasons in the beginning of this thread why the JW religion is false.
I don’t believe in speaking in tongues.Apostles were to confirm the Word of God (like Scripture) by miracles that they did.
Mark 16:20 says,
“And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
For example: Do you see Christians today speaking in tongues and prophesying when they first believe the gospel message (for salvation) as a normative thing? No. Yet, we see this in the early church. So this tells you things have changed.
We don’t need to keep confirming the apostle’s words as authoritative Scripture. We know it is true based on many good reasons or evidences.
Good for you.
I don’t believe in speaking in tongues.
Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false;
#1. Jehovah’s Witnesses religion came about during the time period of other false religions in the latter half of the 19th century.
#2. Charles Taze Russell (the founder of the JW organization starting in the 1870’s) was divorced in 1911 by his wife because he his immoral acts with other women (Source).
#3. Charles Taze Russel stated he was able to read Greek, but when he was in court, he was exposed as being a liar because he could not translate even the most simple Greek alphabet (Source).
#4. The Jehovah’s Witness organization made multiple false prophecies that never came true.
#5. JW leader Rutherford was a drunkard (i.e. he was an alcoholic).
#6. Like the Catholic Church, the JW organization has covered up child sexual abuse scandals within their own church.
#7. JW’s are to hate those who leave their organization.
#8. The JW cult like mindset.
#9. JW’s state that you cannot understand the Bible without their help.
#10. JW’s teach that it is sinful and idolatrous to pray to Jesus Christ.
I would encourage believers here to read the ex testimonies of Jehovah's Witnesses to see how they lied to them and how they took advantage of them in ways that were not correct or good.
Ex-Jehovah’s Witness Testimonies
encourage believers here to read the ex testimonies of Jehovah's Witnesses
No. The Scriptures were inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16). So it was God who is the ultimate author.
goes without saying
But the church has authority from Christ
The church existed before the New Testament scripture
The church exercised authority before they had scripture
Christ taught his church in person for three years, did they need to wait for scripture to know what to do?
The church says what is and what is not scripture
Scripture was approved by the church in 381 the whole Bible not you’re stingy 66 books
Ever read the faith story of susana in Dan 13 it’s not in you’re heretical bibles
The scripture belongs to the church not to you fundamentalist heretics but to the communion of saints
The early church existed, but the Catholic Church is not like the early church by a long shot because there was no RCC practices done by the early church. Only the Catholic Church that emerged later in history added the extra biblical Catholic sacraments (of which we do not find in the Bible). Yes, you have sacraments like baptism, but it is not called that in the Bible and you make up the whole infancy baptism thing.
The biblical mandate of God’s work of creation!
Water and the spirit!
First creation:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
(water and the spirit)
Noah:
Gen 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove (representing the spirit) from him…
(Water and the spirit)
Red Sea:
Led thru the waters by the spirit.
Exodus 13:21
And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
(Water and the spirit)
Josuha
Joshua and the people of Israel crossing of the Jordan led by the spirit.
Joshua 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ minister, saying, 2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.
(Water and the spirit)
Prophecy of the new creation: (new covenant)
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you…
acts 2:38-39 “this promise”
(Water and the Spirit)
Baptism of Jesus
Jn 1:31 I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
(Water and the spirit)
New creation by water and the spirit
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Water and the spirit)
Christian sacrament of baptismal regeneration is by: WATER AND THE SPIRIT!
There is no such thing as the extra biblical Catholic sacraments because they are not written in the Bible.
Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Baptism: (initiation into the covenant)
Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The Eucharist: (holy communion)
Mt 26:26-39 Jn 6:51-58 1 Cor 11:23-25
Confession of sins:
Jn 20:23 / 1 Jn 1:9 / 2 cor 5:18
Confirmation
Lk 22:32 acts 8:14-17
acts 14:22
Marriage:
Matt 19:4-6
Holy orders: (priesthood)
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru His priesthood in Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 10:1-8 Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 acts 1:17 acts 6:4 acts 8:26
2 Cor 5:18 1 Tim 4:14 Eph 2:20
Extreme unction: (anointing with oil)
1 Tim 4:14 James 5:14
The ark of salvation: one, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles!
The Catholic Church is not the one true church because they bow down to idol statues, and worship many gods like the saints and they turn the Lord’s supper into an abomination not described in Scripture. Rome does not change. They used to be into polytheism before they supposedly went Christian. You guys worship skulls in some circles. You uplift men in holy clothing. It’s a joke. Sorry. It just is. It’s so obviously fake when compared to a study of the Bible alone and comparing the early church with your church. The two are not alike in any sense of the word. But again, this thread I don’t think is for you because you are not really concerned about giving reasons as to why the JW religion is false. You are just speaking about your false religion. That does not help things. Again, either participate in the thread in exposing the JW religion from a normal biblical perspective and or based on why that cult is false from general evidence or move on. This thread is not about Catholicism that you are promoting. Catholicism is no different than the JW religion because you both added something extra to the Bible that contradicts it. So you are not really helping things here.
No we do not worship idols or saints
God alone may be worshipped
you’re heretical sect has no possibility of true worship of God
No temple
No priesthood
No propitiatory sacrifice
No censor with inscence
No sacraments
This really is not the thread on Catholicism and it’s problems. I am hoping to create a thread on Catholicism in the future (Just like what I did here for the JW’s). I only mentioned Catholicism briefly because you are speaking from the lens of Catholicism and not from the lens of the Bible (Whereby those verses make it irrefutable) that the JW’s are false. You also are not bringing up any evidence or facts by JW’s themselves that refutes their own false religion. You are only promoting Catholicism here (in your supposed attack against the false JW religion), and that is not the purpose of this thread. Your argument is weak and it is a distraction to the true intended purpose of this thread. Either make a case for why the JW religion is false from just using the Bible that all believers should agree with, and use historical facts, abuses, and wrong beliefs about the JW religion that simply refutes it. This really is not difficult to do by researching the internet. I have provided some really good points so far. So either join in or move on. Thank you. Peace be unto you in the Lord (even if I disagree with the darkness of your flavor of Christianity).
What lens do you speak through?This really is not the thread on Catholicism and it’s problems. I am hoping to create a thread on Catholicism in the future (Just like what I did here for the JW’s). I only mentioned Catholicism briefly because you are speaking from the lens of Catholicism and not from the lens of the Bible (Whereby those verses make it irrefutable) that the JW’s are false. You also are not bringing up any evidence or facts by JW’s themselves that refutes their own false religion. You are only promoting Catholicism here (in your supposed attack against the false JW religion), and that is not the purpose of this thread. Your argument is weak and it is a distraction to the true intended purpose of this thread. Either make a case for why the JW religion is false from just using the Bible that all believers should agree with, and use historical facts, abuses, and wrong beliefs about the JW religion that simply refutes it. This really is not difficult to do by researching the internet. I have provided some really good points so far. So either join in or move on. Thank you. Peace be unto you in the Lord (even if I disagree with the darkness of your flavor of Christianity).