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Featured rejecting Jesus Christ is different from the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

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  1. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    <<rejecting Jesus>> is what EVERY sinner is guilty of <<to the day of one's death>>. DENYING THIS VERY INDELIBLE SIN OF HUMAN NATURE AND BEING, is what constitutes <REJECTION OF JESUS> and denies and defies FORGIVENESS for it, THE SIN of one's whole life.
    Forgiven sin is all and every unforgiveable sin through Jesus Christ nevertheless forgiven;
    unforgiveable sin is all and every forgivable sin forgiveness for through Jesus Christ is nevertheless denied and never is accepted.
     
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  2. justbyfaith

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    @GerhardEbersoehn,

    Are you saying that no one ever receives Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and therefore no one is ever saved?

    Is that what you're saying?

    Because that is what you seem to be saying.

    re #21.
     
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    Not worth an answer, but kept for reference if ever needed referring to again.
     
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    Sorry, but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as describe din Matt. 12 , is not a sin anyone can commit. It was a national sin and only available to be committed by the nation of Israel when Jesus was among them.

    it was attributing his abilities to do miracles to Beelzebub. ISrael committed it and the judgment for that sin was the 70AD destruction of the temple and ultimately the full desruction of Jerusalem and the diaspora.

    Dying without having trusted Jesus as Savior is an unforgivable sin, but it is not the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
     
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    'By which (The Holy Spirit) also
    He went and preached unto the spirits in prison
    ;'
    (1 Peter 3:19)

    Hello @Devin Wintch,

    With respect, the 'spirits' in prison were the angels that fell in the days of Noah, as the context reveals. I do not believe it was the gospel that He preached unto them; but that He triumphed over them, having overcome the power of death (Acts of the Apostles 2:24) and become the means of deliverance of all who will believe on Him to the saving of their souls (Colossians 2:12-15).

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Devin Wintch Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I've heard a lot of theories about angels and giants and such things around that era. I don't really believe all that stuff and think I take a more realistic approach to those texts. But thanks for the new perspective :)
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hello @Devin Wintch,

    I am sorry to hear your response: for a glance at the context of 1 Peter 3:19 within it's context should be enough to make you stop and consider your thinking on this. It is not a matter of having a realistic approach, but of believing what is written as being the word of God, and therefore the final authority on all matters to do with what is written within it's pages.

    Thank you :)
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    I think we must be seeing different things in 1 Peter 3:19. I use a literal approach to bible text unless it logically warrants a slightly different approach. I'm not sure how you're interpretting 1 Peter 3:19 differently than I am:

    1 Peter 3:18-19

    18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

    19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

    It says he "preached unto the spirits in prison".

    Preached means by definition: "deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church". And the spirits in prison would be any sinners that didn't follow the law. I think this is all common knowledge that many believe.
     
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    'And the angels which kept not their first estate,
    but left their own habitation,
    he hath reserved in everlasting chains
    under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.'

    (Jude 1:6)

    Hello again, @Devin Wintch,

    Where we disagreed was as to who those 'spirits' were. You say that the spirits in prison would be any sinners that didn't follow the law. I believe that the context shows that the 'spirits' were the angels 'that left their first estate' in the days of Noah, and were responsible for bringing in the judgment of the flood upon all living.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Shucks ... Ahtenshon!
     
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    'Wherefore I say unto you,
    All manner of sin and blasphemy

    shall be forgiven unto men:
    but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost
    shall not be forgiven unto men.
    And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
    it shall be forgiven him:
    but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
    it shall not be forgiven him,
    neither in this world,
    neither in the world to come.'
    (Matthew 12:31-32)

    Hello @GerhardEbersoehn,

    It was the words of the Pharisees in Matthew 12:24, 'This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils,' that caused the Lord to speak those words (above).

    * Our Lord knew their thoughts, and why they had said these words in the hearing of the People, who were in awe at His healing of the man possessed with a devil, blind and dumb. They sought to prevent the people from believing that He was the Christ. The Lord also knew that they had already held a council to see how they might destroy Him.

    * Yes they attributed the work of the Holy Spirit, wrought by Christ, to a demon: that was what was unforgiveable.

    The Lord says later:-
    'But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak,
    they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
    For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
    and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

    (Matthew 12:36-37)
    * I think we should let the words of the Lord stand, as they are, and not seek to attach to them any other meaning.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Except none of that is in the Bible. It is AMAZING how trinitarians blatantly defy what Jesus says and advocate the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus says.
     
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    Beautiful. Thank you, Certainly one of the best posts I have read on internet -- and, in any book, ever. God bless you.
    It is a grace for me to say AMEN on each word you wrote.

    Christianity would be VERY DIFFERENT if believers would put in similar effort for every word they proclaim in the Name of Christ. He would be honoured instead of dishonoured the way things have developed in recent years and centuries.

    I pray forgiveness from the Lord if I have <seeked to attach to the words of the Lord any other meaning than as they stand>. He is my Judge, my conscience on this particular matter in the Faith has been tried and tested for the greater part of my life. With great intensity. Then at last great joy and peace when the Lord brought me what I believe wholeheartedly was better insight than I ever could find in books or from other True Believers. Because it was personal. I am convinced the Lord convinced me, through His Holy Spirit WITNESSING OF JESUS CHRIST AND NONE OTHER AND NOTHING ELSE IN, THROUGH, AND WITH SCRIPTURE. Let no mortal or the opinion of any mutual sinner try bring in doubt that the Holy SpiritWitness of the Lord Jesus Christ have SPOKEN in and through the WRITTEN WORD of God, so that I could hear and receive and apply. I know what I have written on this QUESTION has come from the Lord THROUGH HIS WRITTEN WORD and through the HONEST STUDY OF HIS WORD :: WHILE I HAVE ALWAYS, LISTENED WITH A TEACHABLE MIND IN HIS CHURCH and everywhere to fellow believers, and have genuinely learned from them but with definite attentiveness to the REFORMED PROTESTANT voice of faith, doctrine and history.

    I am sure that I enter upon the battlefield in as good armour and as well equipped as possible for the times we live in. What I have written in this thread have I written and not one word or sentence or thought will I retract. The Lord is my Helper. Whom shall I fear? Fear-- at this stage in my life?! I shall not fear -- IT IS A SCRIPTURE WORD, IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD ALMIGHTY WITNESSING, SAYING.
    May I die in the peace the Lord means to me today in the sure hope the Lord means to me of the Resurrection of LIFE at His Coming soon, whether in death or in the clouds, it's al the same, SALVATION IS OF THE LORD.

    Thanks and praise to the LORD!
     
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    I will only say that your eternity hangs in the balance.
     
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    Interesting theory, thanks!
     
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    You have your true name for the forum board, I see, Wrangler -- wrangler of God's Word.

    Mark well, He who denies the Divinity of God the Son of God, God the Son of Man, the same is persistently speaking words of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of the Inspiration of God's Holy Written Word which SHALL NOT be forgiven Him. It is my Christian duty to warn you, not that it cannot be forgiven you, ask me, I know first hand. Because your sin is not unforgiveable unless you die loving and caressing it instead of consenting to its sinfulness and LEAVE it by "the Power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ the POWER OF GOD TO SAVE".

    Denying the Deity of Jesus Christ is the sin against the Holy Spirit the Spirit who "breathed" the Word of God about HIM being GOD : GOD the Son of God GOD the Son of Man.

    Please, I have not intended this thread to debate Jesus' Divinity.
     
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    Stay with the Inspired WORDS of Scripture and you cannot go wrong. And the words written are not <<they - blasphemies - would have to be against the fruits of the Holy Spirit and blaspheme against them - the fruits>>, but the WORDS are "against the Spirit" and against the "WITNESS" OF THE "Spirit" -- not the witness of the fruits of the Spirit after man has produced them.

    Stay also with the CONTEXT the Inspired Words of Scripture stand, and you again cannot go wrong. Jesus said, “Wherefore I say unto you”, the Jews who denied HIM and his Deity. Jesus addressed the speakers of the “words against the Spirit” which was the Holy Spirit OF GOD who “testified” of Jesus’ and his Deity and DIVINE ability to forgive sins and save the lost. THAT WAS THE CONTEXT. Lose sight of it and loose any understanding of these Scriptures, and as a result of having no understanding of the SCRIPTURE OR THE SPIRIT OF ITS INSPIRATION, it becomes impossible to hold onto any true and correct explanation of what the sin against the Holy Spirit is. Should the Jews remain in their hardness of heart against the witness OF THE SCRIPTURES of Jesus, their SIN could never be and never would be forgiven them. HOW CAN IT, SEEING JESUS BECAUSE HE IS GOD IS THE ONLY WAY OF OR TO SALVATION?!
     
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    Some among the Pharisees were guilty of Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That's because these individuals saw Jesus heal the sick and blind and deaf. Saw him expel demons from people and even resurrect some individuals from the dead and these Pharisees attributed Jesus dong these things by an demon. They basically were calling the Holy Spirit demonic and they knew better than that. They knew a demon can't raised the dead and they knew a demon wouldn't expel another demon from another person. They knowingly and willfully called Gods Holy Spirit demonic when they knew it actually was Gods Holy Spirit doing these miracles.
     
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