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You mean about the thunders in Rev.10 in relation to final trumpet there?
Feel free to say what you were going to say before.
You need an open mind to understand the significance of Rev 10. The scholars don't know how to treat Rev 10, because it is clear from their analysis they don't.
To understand Rev 10, one needs to put-aside well-established prophetic dogma. But quickly, I will tell you the following:
Rev 10 is a prophecy that foretells the coming of prophet in the end times who sets-straight the current end time confusion by relaying the proper interpretation of not only what is coming but also the entire bible and mystery of God. He is non other than the first Horseman, and he emerges onto the world scene well before the two witnesses. In fact, he is the two witnesses mentor. He is non other than Michael, the archangel, who will be incarnate upon earth in the end times. The following scripture confirms this somewhat controversial interpretation:
Rev 10: 1-7
Daniel 12:1-4
Daniel 10:21
Joel 2:11
Jn 15:26 – 16:15
Rev 6:2
Rev 7:1-3
Rev 14:6 & 7
Rev 18:21
Mt 24:14
Mk 13:10
Isaiah 42:1, 18 / 43:1,4 / 49:1*, 4, 5, 6 / 52:13
revturmoil
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I take it that you're saying that the white horse rider of Revelation 6:2 is Michael the Archangel.
Why is it then that only bad things follow in the 3 other seals? And where is Michael associated with a bow in the bible? And what or who is he out conquering?
I can't go with that either Popeye.
Rev.10 is not the most difficult chapter in God's Word. That angel could represent Michael but it's not clear, for his identity is not the main Message of that chapter. The focus is upon the "little book" John was to eat because of the Revelation prophecy would be given to the seven Churches through him. The seventh angel sounding is about 7th trumpet of Rev.11, which when Christ comes, and the mystery of God involving this present world per His prophets will all come to pass at that point. John being told to 'take' the book, and not by it being handed to him, is a Message for us also to 'take' The Book in our hearts and minds and understand.
The Rev.10 chapter is given within the revealing of the 2nd Woe period. And in Rev.11 the 3rd final Woe with Christ's coming is revealed. So Rev.10 is a prep for that Rev.11 chapter, pointing for us to 'take' The Book and eat It, get It into our hearts and minds.
Rev.10 is not the most difficult chapter in God's Word. That angel could represent Michael but it's not clear, for his identity is not the main Message of that chapter. The focus is upon the "little book" John was to eat because of the Revelation prophecy would be given to the seven Churches through him. The seventh angel sounding is about 7th trumpet of Rev.11, which when Christ comes, and the mystery of God involving this present world per His prophets will all come to pass at that point. John being told to 'take' the book, and not by it being handed to him, is a Message for us also to 'take' The Book in our hearts and minds and understand.
The Rev.10 chapter is given within the revealing of the 2nd Woe period. And in Rev.11 the 3rd final Woe with Christ's coming is revealed. So Rev.10 is a prep for that Rev.11 chapter, pointing for us to 'take' The Book and eat It, get It into our hearts and minds.
Hi Vet -
Figured you wouldn't believe me. Question though...did you try to read the supporting scripture I provided?
In the meantime, here's someone's take on the first horseman from Wikipedia:
The rider of the white horse is very commonly interpreted to be the Antichrist figure, but such an interpretation ignores much of the imagery presented throughout the Revelation and many cross references of whom the Bible names as being given a crown. For instance, every other time the colour white is used in the Revelation, it is always representative of righteousness and holiness, and whenever the author, John, depicts a malevolent force, he consistently shows it as evil (the two beasts of chapter 13, or the scarlet beast and the prostitute of chapter 17). Because of this there is no reason to interpret the white horse as representing anything other than something/someone that is righteous and holy. Even the terminology “conquering and to conquer” alludes to a righteous person, as the Greek term used here is used throughout the New Testament as a word meaning “to overcome” and “to be victorious.” In the 23 other times it is used in the New Testament (15 times in the Revelation alone), 22 of those instances refer to Christ or to His followers overcoming evil. So, in this 24th instance of the word (one of 15 times in the Revelation), it should be taken to mean the same thing: a righteous or holy force who is able to overcome and gain victory.Also, considering the rider is given a crown (something only seen to be given to Jesus or the 24 elders -- Daniel 7:13, 14, 27; Luke 1:31-33; Revelation 4:4, 10; 14:14),[1] one might conclude that the rider of the white horse is on the side of good.
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, by Viktor Vasnetsov (1887).Thus by analogy with the white horse and rider of Revelation 19, one possibility is that the first horseman is Jesus Himself. Alternatively he could represent the Holy Spirit (the Third Person of the Holy Trinity, wherein Jesus is the Second Person, the Son) -- whom Jesus promises to send his disciples to aid them after his own departure from earth (Acts 1:4-8). In Acts 2, 17-21, Saint Peter while preaching referred to the apocalyptic vision of the Old Testament prophet Joel (Book of Joel 2, 28-32), who foretold an "outpouring" of the Holy Spirit upon all flesh so that everyone should prophesy and dream prophetically. This according to Joel (and Peter) should prepare for the Last Day, when 'The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD comes.' The writer of Revelation clearly knew this passage. The Holy Spirit was understood to have come upon the Apostles at Pentecost (as teacher, comforter, counsellor, and source of guidance to believers) after Jesus' departure from earth. The appearance of the Lamb in Revelation 5 shows the triumphant arrival of Jesus in heaven. The crowned white horseman could therefore represent the sending-forth by Jesus of the Holy Spirit. In a similar vein, the white horse and rider may be held to represent the advance of the gospel of Jesus Christ since the outpouring of his Spirit on the church. The sending forth of that gospel is unstoppable, since God's Word cannot be bound (2 Timothy 2:9) and does not return to Him void; it accomplishes the purpose for which He sends it forth (Isaiah 55:11). The rider of the white horse is also recognized as Conquest
the promise was sent and he came riding on a white horse.popeye this is what Jesus said he would do,and it was the first thing he did.
great job It's obvious that those not given to understand about the coming false messiah won't properly understand that Rev.6:2 rider on a white horse. Yet there are two major distinguishing attributes of that Rev.6:2 rider compared with our Lord Jesus coming on a white horse in Rev.19.
The Rev.6:2 rider has a "bow" (Greek toxon), and a single "crown" (Greek stephanos). A "bow" is what is used to shoot arrows or darts. But our Lord Jesus wields a SWORD out of His mouth when coming upon a white horse per Rev.19.
Greek stephanos is used twice for a crown upon our Lord Jesus, a golden one per Rev.14:14, and then a crown of thorns the blind Jews put upon Him to be crucified. Yet in Rev.19, Christ comes on a white horse wearing many crowns (Greek diadema).
Also, per our Lord's Olivet Discourse in Matt.24 and Mark 13, the 7 signs He gave there directly parallel the signs given in Rev.6 with the seals. The first sign Christ gave was to not allow any man to deceive us. Later in those Matt.24 and Mark 13 chapters, He showed more detail about 'a pseudo Christ' ("false Christs" phrase in KJV) coming to deceive, working "great signs" and "wonders" that would deceive even His elect if it were possible.
In Isaiah 14, the KJV translators used the name "Lucifer" instead of translating the Hebrew 'heylel' that's the actual word in the manuscripts. Hebrew heylel means 'morning star'. God said that, but He was only using Satan's own words to mock him with. Only Christ Jesus is The True Morning Star per Rev.22. But Satan WANTS to be The Morning Star. He wants to be Christ, and worshipped in place of Christ Jesus. And that's why Satan is going to come riding on a white horse like how our Lord Jesus will return. But that Rev.6:2 rider's "bow" and single "crown" can't match up to our Lord's Jesus' sword and many crowns.
The Rev.6:2 white horse rider is Satan himself, coming to conquer by deception, the first of seven signs of the end our Lord Jesus gave in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.
the promise was sent and he came riding on a white horse.popeye this is what Jesus said he would do,and it was the first thing he did.
Our Lord Jesus has not come riding upon a white horse yet. Below is what He rode into Jerusalem upon...
John 12:14-15
14 And Jesus, when He had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
(KJV)
Matt 21:2-5
2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.
4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
(KJV)
Errant End Times Doctrine and dogma was established from the earliest days of the christian church, by the early church fathers who were pressed to set that doctrine. Unfortunately, they should have remained silent on the subject, for they set in motion a misunderstanding of the prophecies that misleads to this day. To try and reason the interpretation of the 4 horsemen, they "force-fit" the warnings of Christ from His Olivet and Temple Discourses concerning the "signs of His Appearing" and the "end of the age" into the SEEMINGLY parallel prophecy of the 4 horsemen. I will say now, that the 4 horsemen and the warnings from Christ in Mt 24, Mk 13 & Lk 21 HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN COMMON.
The 4 horsemen are actual men that emerge onto the world scene in the end in the order of their introductions. They are also 4 of 7 major players in the end times. The other 3 are the False Prophet and the Two witnesses. Furthermore, the colors of the horses they ride offer us SIMPLE CLUES as to who is who. White means righteousness and the light. Black is Evil and darkness. Red is war and blood. And Grey is gloomy and sickly.
The white horse rider arrives before the other three, and he is the end times messenger who preaches The Truth to the world before the outbreak of hostilities.
The red horse rider arrives next onto the scene, and he is none other than Gog, who leads a allied Arab / Russo army in an attempted invasion against Israel, but is soundly defeated by the hand of God.
The black horse rider is AntiChrist and arrives onto the world scene after the first two. We all know what he does.
The pale horse rider is Apollyon and he leads AC's army, which are demon-possessed soldiers who quell uprisings in AC's kingdom, and meets the kings of the east at Armageddon.
Make no mistake, what we have been taught about these horsemen, or what we have read from scholars and the like, are incorrect.
popeye consider why this book was opened and why the seals were released.when JESUS CONQUERED DEATH AND THE GRAVE satan had no more power or attority.so you might say there was a time of peace until those seals were opened.no death no hunger etc think about it.
popeye consider why this book was opened and why the seals were released.when JESUS CONQUERED DEATH AND THE GRAVE satan had no more power or attority.so you might say there was a time of peace until those seals were opened.no death no hunger etc think about it.
Gregg - The "book" the angel holds he holds OPEN with ONE HAND ( see Rev 10:2 & 10:8 ). Try doing that with an ancient scroll of the size John may have authored ( 18" x 18" roughly ), especially in a free-standing position. The "book" is a modern day book, and it reveals seven end time events, which John was told to keep secret.
The "thunders" are an audience of multitudes who repeat 7 end events in the order the angel gives them to the audience, to repeat after him. A large audience repeating a single word or phrase would sound like a thunder. Indeed, elsewhere in The Revelation a "thunder" represents a large group of people ( souls ) repeating the same thing simultaneously.
The above is irrelevant, only rambling upon a stage like an actor.
That's your opinion only; you have not disproved that relationship between Rev.6 and Matt.24 and Mark 13. I've covered it at length before on this form, line by line, showing their direct parallel.
Like I said before, if one disregards Christ's and His Apostles warnings about a coming false messiah - Antichrist, then they would also disregard a fake rider on a white horse. You obviously aren't aware of how that is going to occur prior to Christ's time of return.
Nope. The white horse rider we are not told which 'seal' that is. We are only told it is one of the seven seals. That the white horse rider must come first is your supposition, and even per what you say with "before the outbreak of hostilities", it means that Rev.6:2 rider cannot be our Lord Jesus Christ, for our Lord Jesus comes AFTER the outbreak of hostilities!
Nope. The red horse parallels Christ's Message in Matt.24 about 'wars and rumours of wars'. Jesus said wars must be, but the end is not yet. The Gog and Magog army comes upon Israel at the very last day of this present world, which is when Christ returns for the battle of Armageddon (Rev.16).
The black horse rider has a pair of balances in his hand, and shows a measure of wheat for a penny.... The idea is about famine and bad economy, the direct parallel to that also given by our Lord Jesus in Matt.24 and Mark 13. The pale horse is about the coming dragon and his host given reign over the earth in four parts. That's great tribulation timing; Armageddon doesn't come until the end of the tribulation, on the last day.
I don't think it's difficult to grasp that it's your interpretation on the four horsemen that is wrong.
Unfortunately, Vet, you've repeated well-established dogma concerning the 4 H'men. You are not investigating the H'mens' prophecy for yourself, but ACCEPTING only what has been taught you, or written by others. And nearly every single scholar, minister, bible study teacher, eschatologist, etc., etc., have accepted this silly interpretation without spending the time to research and study the unique symbolism used in those H'men's descriptions for themselves.
Early in Christ's Olivet Discourse, Christ is merely relating to those listening ( and those reading generations later ) that they shall see signs of the season of his return. To somehow try to equate these "signs" with the first 4 seals of Revelation is mind-boggling to me. Even then, being they seemingly are somewhat related to one another, the order of presentation of those "signs" in Mt 24, Mk13 and Lk 21 differ considerably from gospel to gospel, thereby raising a doubt as to their validity in relation to one another to any discerning individual.
The study of the 4 H'men should be separated from any study of Mt 24 / Mk 13, and studied on it's unique symbolism alone, and any corresponding symbolism within The Revelation itself.
Early in Christ's Olivet Discourse, Christ is merely relating to those listening ( and those reading generations later ) that they shall see signs of the season of his return. To somehow try to equate these "signs" with the first 4 seals of Revelation is mind-boggling to me. Even then, being they seemingly are somewhat related to one another, the order of presentation of those "signs" in Mt 24, Mk13 and Lk 21 differ considerably from gospel to gospel, thereby raising a doubt as to their validity in relation to one another to any discerning individual.
The study of the 4 H'men should be separated from any study of Mt 24 / Mk 13, and studied on it's unique symbolism alone, and any corresponding symbolism within The Revelation itself.
Understanding that Christ Jesus was giving the very same signs of the end of this world that parallel His Book of Revelation is just not that difficult to grasp. That's WHY so many are able to grasp it.
But what you're trying to do is to turn a simple Scripture upside down to make it fit the doctrines of men you're on. That's why you have to resort to attacking one's credibility and throwing out opinion instead of being able to prove what you say by Scripture only!
So NO, the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 Scripture DIRECTLY parallel the end signs given in our Lord's Book of Revelation. It's simple, Christ's Olivet Discourse is about events of the end of this world, and so are the signs given in Revelation...
Matt 24:3
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
(KJV)
The only things Christ told his followers in his Discourses, were:
1. the signs of the season of his return
2. what his followers could expect to suffer through the GT
3. His actual Appearing at the time of The Rapture.
That's it ...Period...
Now if you think those discourses cover anything that is covered in The Revelation, well then I guess
Christ erred in duplicating his words in a needless book ( The Rev ). Indeed, The Rev doesn't cover ANY
related material for signs of the season of his return or what particulars his followers would be encountering during the GT.
EVERYTHING covered in The Rev is relative to actual end time events as it affects Christians and Jews, and the world's nations.
And the only passages The Rev DOES duplicate, are prophetic passages in some OT books, and other passages of Christ OUTSIDE of Mt 24, Mk 13, & Lk 21.
The reason so many are able to "grasp" the perceived parallel you claim exists between Mt 24 & The Rev is because:
THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN DRUMMED INTO THEIR HEADS FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.
None-the-same, I'll leave you with your opinion ( as someone else gave you ), and I'll move forward with mine.
In the meantime, I hope we strike a peace between us on this forum, because I'm getting too tired of wasting my breath
on those who echo someone else's version of what this means or what that means in prophecy.
Oh, He covered a whole lot more than that...
1st Sign: don't allow any man to deceive you - Mark.13:5-6.
Parallel: Rev.6:2 rider on white horse, a fake Christ
2nd Sign: when you hear of wars and rumours of wars, don't be troubled for the end is not yet - Mark 13:7.
Parallel: 2nd Seal of Rev.6:3-4, a red horse bringing war
3rd & 4th Signs: kingdoms against kingdoms, earthquakes and famines; beginning of sorrows - Mark 13:8.
Parallel: 3rd & 4th Seals of Rev.6:5-8 black horse rider with a pair of balances; measure of wheat for a penny, an expression of working all day just to buy a loaf of bread = famine; pale horse rider with power to destroy the earth in four parts (4 stage locust prophecy of Book of Joel and Rev.9)
5th Sign: Christ's elect delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a testimony for Him - Mark 13:9-13.
Parallel: 5th Seal of Rev.6:9-11, the saints killed for giving a testimony for Christ.
6th Sign: appearance of the abomination of desolation, a pseudo Christ working great signs and wonders on earth that would almost deceive Christ's own elect- Mark 13:14-23.
Parallel: 6th Seal (partial) - stars (angels) falling from Heaven like untimely winter figs out of season.
7th Sign: Christ's appearing in the clouds coming to gather His elect - Mark 13:24-27.
Parallel: 6th Seal (partial) and rest of our Lord's Book of Revelation
Really? Let's review:
Ist sign - You said it yourself : It's a "sign of the season" of His return. Who says the white horse rider automatically is a false Christ? You? It's a white horse for crying out loud.
2nd sign -You said it yourself : It's a "sign of the season" of His return. Who says red stands for war? You?
3rd / 4th signs - You said it yourself : It's a "sign of the season" of His return. To assign the black and grey horse riders to these signs is ridiculous. The black horse rider is evil, and is AC, and the counterbalance symbology is the issuance of The Mark. The grey horse rider is Apollyon, who is AC's commanding general leading demon-possessed souls in his army, fulfilling the statement " and hell followed with him" ( Rev 6:8 ). Not even close to "pestilence" ( which you didn't list btw ).
5th sign - The souls are shown "under the altar" awaiting those who will be killed in the GT. Not even a close parallel.
6th sign - The 6th seal is a description of nuclear war, the untimely figs are missiles, and the "heaven departing as a scroll" is a mushroom cloud. And the people hiding in the caves of the earth are fallout shelters. Hello! Not even related to Mk 13.
7th sign - Your justification for any parallel to the rest of The Rev is absolutely silly.
Like I said,
The only things Christ told his followers in his Discourses, were:
1. the signs of the season of his return
2. what his followers could expect to suffer through the GT
3. His actual Appearing at the time of The Rapture.
That's it ...Period...
It is clear that everything you quote in prophecy is a version or variation you echo taken from someone else's errant and misleading study or interpretation that was set as doctrine years ago.
Try doing the same thing you did here - assigning parallels in sequential order - with Luke 21. Good Luck!
The very first sign of warning Christ gave in His Olivet Discourse was to not allow any man to deceive us. He made deception the main sign of warning, and first in importance. And that goes with the rider on the white horse of Rev.6:2, the first sign He gave there too, one who bears a simple "bow" and wears a single "crown", and goes forth to conquer.
If that white horse rider of Rev.6:2 means Christ, then His conquering happens BEFORE those other Seals? Nope. That's another proof of how that is not our Lord Jesus as that particular white horse rider.
Whether one believes that white horse rider of Rev.6:2 is our Lord Jesus, or the Antichrist, we know it does not occur first within the Revelation timeline. By claiming it means Jesus on that particular white horse of Rev.6:2, that is to falsely claim Christ's return and our gathering to Him happens first. That's not the Revelation timeline, nor is it the timeline of the signs Christ gave in His Olivet Discourse, for the very LAST sign He gave in Mark 13 is about His return and the gathering AFTER the great tribulation.
I've noticed elsewhere you are on the false Pre-tribulational rapture doctrine, which is why you might refuse to see the difference between that Rev.6:2 rider and our Lord's coming on a white horse per Rev.19.
The Mark 13:7 link with the 2nd Seal of a red war horse is a very easy parallel. Your "sign of the season" remark does not establish the difference of events with the signs Jesus gave. We are to watch for each sign so as to know the times and the seasons of His return.
The black horse rider carries a set of balances, and an expression of a measure of wheat for a penny... is given to go with it. The balances represent commerce, and a measure of wheat for a penny represents working all day to have enough to buy simple necesseties like bread. It represents failed economy and famine, which was the next sign Christ gave in Mark 13.
The pale horse rider does represent the Antichrist, with the name "Death", which is another title for Satan himself. He is given power over the 4th part of the earth to kill with the sword, with hunger, with death, and beasts of the earth. All those are symbols from the OT prophets to represent the Rev.13 beast kingdom controls over the earth. It's a direct link to God's Message in the Book of Joel about the locust army He sends upon the earth, and is a parallel to the locusts of Rev.9 on the 5th Trumpet. To be blunt, it's about today's "one world government" system forming up to take control over all nations. The events of both the 3rd and 4th Seals are wrapped together, and that's how Christ gave the sign in Mark 13:8. The earthquakes in diverse places, pestilences, famine, and troubles have already begun today. We're in them now, but that Antichrist is not revealed yet today.
Those souls under the altar on the 5th Seal are those who were killed for giving a TESTIMONY. So Testimony is the main subject.
Rev 6:9
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
(KJV)
Mark 13:9
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
(KJV)
The untimely figs metaphor definitely is not about missiles nor nuclear war. God will end this present world by His consuming fire. He doesn't need our nuclear weapons to do that. Christ's sign about wars and rumours of wars shows us that too, for He said wars must be, but the end is not yet. Thus He gave us a hint about a time opposite of war, which means a time of world peace for the very end. That's why Rev.13 asks who can make war with the beast? No one will, for the world beast kingdom will be in control of everything, and it's certainly not going to fight with itself. Apostle Paul confirmed this also in 1 Thess.5, when he declared when the deceived shall say, "Peace and safety", then sudden destruction will come upon them. Your false Pre-trib rapture teachers have got you believing all-out war is how this world will end, when they only use that to scare you into believing their pre-trib secret rapture doctrines.
I'm not going to tell you what 'untimely figs' are per God's Word. You can go look that up for yourself.
Saying it is silly without Scripture basis to back it up means you lost your argument. The rest of your words reveal that loss too.
revturmoil
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Some people believe the first seal represents Christ or the Holy Spirit. They say that Christ is the only one in scripture that rides a white horse. Christ does ride a white horse in Rev. 19 but so do the heavenly armies that follow Him. Riding a white horse after a victory was a custom of that day. Christ is never associated with a bow. He is mentioned as having a sharp sword and as having many crowns. In Revelation 19, Christ wears a "diadem," denoting a royal crown and universal dominion, whereas in Rev. 6:2, the rider wears a "stephanos," which is a victors crown.
To say that Christ, the gospel, or the Holy Spirit is out conquering and to conquer" here is a weak augument because everything that follows in the remaining seals are all bad creating no continuity. That view suggest that the missing arrows symbolize the gospel that has gone forth into the world. The argument is that the lack of arrows signifies a "bow of peace." Nowhere in the bible is the gospel refered to as a bow or as arrows. If arrows aren't mentioned in Rev. 6:2 ...they don't exist and can't be considered in any way as part of the prophecy.
Why would Christ be the rider of this white horse since He is the one opening the seals. These four seals are people and events that will lead us into tribulation. They are not people or events of the past but future. And they are all Islamic.
My view is that all four seals have continuity. In other words they all compliment one another and are of the same mind.
What many of you neglect is the symbolism of the bow. That can be a bit confusing considering the English word is bow.
The bow is typically an article of war when ther's ammunition. It's a bit unusual for a warrior, even a jihad warrior, to carry a bow without arrows. I think a literal weapon would have been indicated here if the rider did have arrows.
Check this out.
Maybe the rider himself is the amunition just as the jihad warriors of September 11 were. Arrow is actually translated "missile" and the 911 jihadist had no missiles except the planes they were in!
The literal meaning of bow has some strange and interesting research results.
5115. toxon tox'-on from the base of 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric):--bow.
At first it say's a bow. Then it mentions a simple fabric. Some resources translate the word as "bough". (Turbans?)
The word bow is from the base word tikto #5088,
1) to bring forth, bear, produce (fruit from the seed)
a) of a woman giving birth
B) of the earth bringing forth its fruits
c) metaph. to bear, bring forth
The bow may indicate to us who brings forth the people that are "conquering and to conquer."
The bow is symbolic of only a few things. One is "evil conquest and designs".
The other is that the Horseman's "bow" means to "struggle against much travail" in order to obtain a goal.
This seal describes what "holy war" is to a Muslim. "A struggle"...out conquering the infidel and to conquer the world.
I also discovered that there are only a few people in the bible to whom a bow is personally ascribed. They are Esau and Ishmael. These two are the fathers of today's Arab/Islamic mixture of tribes and clans (iron and clay) that we see engaged in worldwide holy war. Muhammed is a descendent of Ishmael and his offspring are those who want to dominate the world and see Israel completely destroyed.
In other places, bow is used metaphorically for strength and power. To "break" someones bow means to break his strength and overturn his power.
The only other people that I've found to whom a bow is personally attributed is Elisha and Joseph.
A bow of steel is attributed to Elisha and is fugurative of strength and vigor. Joseph of the OT also has one personally attributed to him.
The heavenly bow is the rainbow.
The bow is also used of God's judgement.
Some say the bow is figurative of a counterfeit truth.
666=multitudes of a man=the followers of Muhammad.
Remember that the word bow is defined as, "of the simplest fabric." Well crowns actually developed into turbans. In Exodus the high priest word 'crowns' which were a piece of cloth tied around the head with a plate of gold attached to it. The Persian also wore crowns which was a cloth wraped around the head with a precious stone attached. They devoloped into turbans as people couldn't afford the expensive jewelry and omited it and thus you have a turban.
So I say that the first seal is symbolic of holy war and has already been opened.
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