Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

[Zao is life]

I don't have a verse that says Jesus existed before the foundation of the world. I do have these...

• He was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).
• He was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).
• He was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected Him (Acts 13:30).
• He was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).
• He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).
• He was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).

He is the Word of God who was with God in the beginning, through Whom the creation (that He was born into when He became a man), was made.

Just because you choose not to quote the scriptures that do exist, does not mean that you do not have them

- unless your elusive version of the scriptures by your elusive translator who is this elusive friend of yours, has removed them.

Jesus is fully God and fully man. As the Man, Jesus Christ, He was obedient to God His Father. You are making it clear that you have not the slightest understanding of the words,

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." -- 1 Timothy 3:16

At the same time you are exposing part of the consequences of failing to understand the Trinity, and rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity.

PS: I quoted the KJV which uses the Received Text (Textus Receptus) which uses the word theós (God) where it says God was manifest in the flesh.

And the MANY translators of the versions of the scriptures that I read, are not personal friends of mine, and they have all made their names and backgrounds known, publicly (unlike your elusive friend).​

 

[Zao is life]

Well, let's look at 1 Corinthians 15 that you are referring to...

Verse 45... My Bible says Jesus was made a living spirit. Same with us once we are in our new bodies. Note the word made.

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Verse 47... the second man (note the word man) was the Lord who did come from God who is in heaven.

The last Adam and the second man are the same man. Paul is not talking about two men, and the context of what he is saying does not make them two men. The Man Christ Jesus, who died for sins was made a quickening Spirit because the quickening of all men comes through His own resurrection by the same Spirit.

Your opinions frequently cross the line between differences of opinion of the meaning of scripture and twisting and corrupting the one and only gospel of God.​

 

[Zao is life]

Jesus said we would never die. Is that Greek mythology also?

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

Perhaps you're referring to this physical body. Is that what you meant? If so, how do you understand the phrase "you will never die"? What does that mean to you?

FreeM it does not say "whoever lives BY believing in me. It says

"whoever shall live [ζάω záō: be living | alive in the body] and [καί kaí] be believing in me shall not, unto the age, die".

The difference in words may seem small and like a matter of semantics, but the difference is actually very big in this verse. John 11:25-26 are two fascinating verses that in the Greek contain a great deal more info than in the English translations.

John 11:25-26 (Textus Receptus)
ειπεν αυτη ο ιησους εγω ειμι η αναστασις και η ζωη ο πιστευων εις εμε καν αποθανη ζησεται και πας ο ζων και πιστευων εις εμε ου μη αποθανη εις τον αιωνα πιστευεις τουτο.

Key statements:

"I am the Resurrection and [καί kaí] the life [ζωή zōḗ]"

In the Greek Septuagint translation of Genesis, zōḗ is the name Adam gave to Eve, because she was "the mother of all living". The word is Strong's Greek Dictionary # G2222, and is from the word záō (alive | living in the body).

"Whoever believes in me though he were dead [ἀποθνήσκω apothnḗskō] yet he shall live [ζάω záō: alive in the body]."
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Below is a list of the New Testament scriptures using the Greek word záō (alive). All of them are referring either to the living (záō) God, or in reference to being alive (záō) in human bodies:-

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|| Matthew 16:16; Matthew 22:32; Matthew 26:63; Matthew 27:63; Mark 5:23; Mark 12:27; Mark 16:11; Luke 2:36; Luke 4:4; Luke 10:28; Luke 15:13; Luke 20:38; Luke 24:5; Luke 24:23; John 4:10; John 4:11; John 4:50; John 4:51; John 4:53; John 5:25; John 6:51; John 6:57; John 6:58; John 6:69; John 7:38; John 11:25; John 11:26; John 14:19; Acts 1:3; Acts 7:38; Acts 9:41; Acts 10:42; Acts 14:15; Acts 17:28; Acts 20:12; Acts 22:22; Acts 25:19; Acts 25:24; Acts 26:5; Acts 28:4; Romans 1:17; Romans 6:2; Romans 6:10; Romans 6:11; Romans 6:13; Romans 7:1; Romans 7:2; Romans 7:3; Romans 7:9; Romans 8:12; Romans 8:13; Romans 9:26; Romans 10:5; Romans 12:1; Romans 14:7; Romans 14:8; Romans 14:9; Romans 14:11; 1 Corinthians 7:39; 1 Corinthians 9:14; 1 Corinthians 15:45; 2 Corinthians 1:8; 2 Corinthians 3:3; 2 Corinthians 4:11; 2 Corinthians 5:15; 2 Corinthians 6:9; 2 Corinthians 6:16; 2 Corinthians 13:4; Galatians 2:14; Galatians 2:19; Galatians 2:20; Galatians 3:11; Galatians 3:12; Galatians 5:25; Philippians 1:21; Philippians 1:22; Colossians 2:20; Colossians 3:7; 1 Thessalonians 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 3:8; 1 Thessalonians 4:15; 1 Thessalonians 4:17; 1 Thessalonians 5:10; 1 Timothy 3:15; 1 Timothy 4:10; 1 Timothy 5:6; 1 Timothy 6:17; 2 Timothy 3:12; 2 Timothy 4:1; Titus 2:12; Hebrews 2:15; Hebrews 3:12; Hebrews 4:12; Hebrews 7:8; Hebrews 7:25; Hebrews 9:14; Hebrews 9:17; Hebrews 10:20; Hebrews 10:31; Hebrews 10:38; Hebrews 12:9; Hebrews 12:22; James 4:15; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 Peter 1:23; 1 Peter 2:4; 1 Peter 2:5; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 4:5; 1 Peter 4:6; 1 John 4:9; Revelation 1:18; Revelation 2:8; Revelation 3:1; Revelation 4:9; Revelation 4:10; Revelation 5:14; Revelation 7:2; Revelation 7:17; Revelation 10:6; Revelation 13:14; Revelation 15:7; Revelation 16:3; Revelation 19:20 (cast alive into the lake of fire); Revelation 20:4. ||

"and whoever is ζάω záō [alive in the body] AND [καί kaí] believes in me shall not, unto the age [εἰς eis αἰών aiṓn], die [ἀποθνήσκω apothnḗskō]."

Mankind was created to live on earth, in a body. We were not created to "go to heaven when we die and live forever in heaven".

John 11:25 is talking about the fact that the dead in Christ will rise again (live again). Verse 26 is talking about the post-resurrection of the body, because it's talking about the fact that those who are alive in the body and are believing in Him will not, unto the age, die (not ever die).

Note: Humans do not and never will have Immortality in themselves. Immortality is in Christ alone. He alone has (eternal) life in Himself. The first lie has always been "You will not surely die" - because it implied that Adam's immortality was in himself, that his (eternal) life was in himself. But only Christ is immortal. Only Christ has (eternal) life in Himself. Our immortality | eternal life is in Christ.

Verse 25: Whoever believes in Jesus but has died in the flesh and is dead, i.e no longer zao (alive | living in the body) will zao again (be resurrected by Christ, who IS the resurrection and the life).

Verse 26: And whoever is resurrected and is zao (alive | living in the body) and is believing in Him, will never die.

1 Timothy 6
15 For He in His own time will reveal who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in light which cannot be approached, whom no one of men have seen, nor can see; to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

John 5
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself,

We PUT ON immortality through believing in Christ, through believing in Him who alone is immortal, who alone has eternal life in Himself, because our immortality | eternal life is IN HIM.

1 Corinthians 15
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the word that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.​

 

[Zao is life]

Interesting you say this. "Satan is already defeated". Does that mean you believe death has been defeated?

Death has been defeated but death and hades have not yet been cast into the lake of fire.

Neither has Satan, though he is defeated already.

 

[Zao is life]

I have noticed many of you use the word "mere human" referring to me and I don't know why. I never use that word. Being the resurrected son of God who He made both Lord and Christ and has given him all authority on earth and in heaven would not make him a "mere man" which is why I never use that language. But I do think it's odd that people think God died or could die or that someone could kill Him.

The Word of God took on a human body and became a man, the one and only, unique, one of its kind, Son of God.

He is (became) a man - a man who died and was resurrected from death, and it's written that He rose again by His own power, and it's written that He rose again by the power of God the Father, and it's written that he rose again by the power of the Holy Spirit (His dead body having been quickened by the Holy Spirit, because death could not hold Him).

And all authority in heaven and on earth has been given by God the Father to man - THE man, Christ Jesus, the last Adam. Just as God placed all His creation under Adam when he was created.

Psalm 8
3 When I look at Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars which You have established;
4 what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him?
5 For You have made him a little lower than the angels, and have crowned him with glory and honor.
6 You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet:
7 all sheep and oxen, yes, and the beasts of the field;
8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, and all that pass through the paths of the seas.
9 O Jehovah, our Lord, how excellent is Your name in all the earth!

And it's written that "all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation; whereas God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and putting the word of reconciliation in us."-- 2 Corinthians 5:19-20

This is all fundamental to the faith of Christ (Christianity) and His apostles' doctrine.

It's very sad indeed that we have reached the day when there are so many false teachers abounding in a Christian forum with their own twisted version of the faith and corrupted versions of the scriptures, that we have to first deal with all the false doctrine that seeks to deny the basic and fundamental aspects of Christianity, i.e the one and only Christian faith in the one and only God and Lord Jesus Christ, and that we have to spend so much time first getting this all out of the way.

Your posts should be confined to the Unorthodox Doctrine Forum, not this one.​

 

[Peterlag]

The Word of God took on a human body and became a man, the one and only, unique, one of its kind, Son of God.

He is (became) a man - a man who died and was resurrected from death, and it's written that He rose again by His own power, and it's written that He rose again by the power of God the Father, and it's written that he rose again by the power of the Holy Spirit (His dead body having been quickened by the Holy Spirit, because death could not hold Him).

And all authority in heaven and on earth has been given by God the Father to man - THE man, Christ Jesus, the last Adam. Just as God placed all His creation under Adam when he was created.

Psalm 8
3 When I look at Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars which You have established;
4 what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him?
5 For You have made him a little lower than the angels, and have crowned him with glory and honor.
6 You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet:
7 all sheep and oxen, yes, and the beasts of the field;
8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, and all that pass through the paths of the seas.
9 O Jehovah, our Lord, how excellent is Your name in all the earth!

And it's written that "all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation; whereas God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and putting the word of reconciliation in us."-- 2 Corinthians 5:19-20

This is all fundamental to the faith of Christ (Christianity) and His apostles' doctrine.

It's very sad indeed that we have reached the day when there are so many false teachers abounding in a Christian forum with their own twisted version of the faith and corrupted versions of the scriptures, that we have to first deal with all the false doctrine that seeks to deny the basic and fundamental aspects of Christianity, i.e the one and only Christian faith in the one and only God and Lord Jesus Christ, and that we have to spend so much time first getting this all out of the way.

Your posts should be confined to the Unorthodox Doctrine Forum, not this one.​

Is there a verse that says... The Word of God took on a human body and became a man?

 

[Zao is life]

Is there a verse that says... The Word of God took on a human body and became a man?

What is wrong with you? YES THERE IS. John 1:14.

 

[Peterlag]

The last Adam and the second man are the same man. Paul is not talking about two men, and the context of what he is saying does not make them two men. The Man Christ Jesus, who died for sins was made a quickening Spirit because the quickening of all men comes through His own resurrection by the same Spirit.

Your opinions frequently cross the line between differences of opinion of the meaning of scripture and twisting and corrupting the one and only gospel of God.​

Who are you talking to? I never said anything about the last man and the second man being different.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

What is wrong with you? YES THERE IS. John 1:14.

Wellllllll.
A tree must bear good fruit, not rotten pitted fruit.

A believer through the study of the word of God's truth must also bear the fruit of the Spirit.

If one is not connected to the vine then they bear forth the rotten fruit of their father, who is the father of lies; the devil !

 

[Peterlag]

He is the Word of God who was with God in the beginning, through Whom the creation (that He was born into when He became a man), was made.

Just because you choose not to quote the scriptures that do exist, does not mean that you do not have them

- unless your elusive version of the scriptures by your elusive translator who is this elusive friend of yours, has removed them.

Jesus is fully God and fully man. As the Man, Jesus Christ, He was obedient to God His Father. You are making it clear that you have not the slightest understanding of the words,

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." -- 1 Timothy 3:16

At the same time you are exposing part of the consequences of failing to understand the Trinity, and rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity.

PS: I quoted the KJV which uses the Received Text (Textus Receptus) which uses the word theós (God) where it says God was manifest in the flesh.

And the MANY translators of the versions of the scriptures that I read, are not personal friends of mine, and they have all made their names and backgrounds known, publicly (unlike your elusive friend).​

Oh I see where we are now. I believe the word mentioned is logos and you believe it's Jesus. So I say Jesus Christ is not a lexical definition of logos. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus." The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah." So then you say I choose not to believe the Scriptures.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

That bedeviled " Passion" translation is from the pits of darkness.

 

[Peterlag]

The Passion (click the link) is the only 'other' version of the Bible we have not all already been aware of until the last few years. Brian Simmons, producer of The Passion is the only other translator we know of.

If anyone else gives himself the right to translate his own version of the scriptures, then all Christians have the right to know his name and his background. You are making your friend out to be a coward, too cowardly to make his name and his background known to all after creating his own version of the scriptures and handing it out to his friends.

Likewise, you have no right to quote a version of the scriptures that changed the meaning of everlasting Father to 'father of the coming age' and then not say who translated it that way, after claiming to be using another translation.

It's all so fishy that it makes me wonder if it isn't you yourself who took it upon yourself to translate it that way, and then lie again by saying you're quoting some other elusive person's elusive and unnamed version of the scriptures.

You now have an obligation to all who read this thread to either say what 'version' of the scriptures you are using and who translated it that way, or admit that you corrupted the scripture yourself, twisting the Word of God, and apologize for it.

You continue to maintain your dishonesty unless you do. The choice is yours.​

I don't see what you are complaining about. What's the difference between everlasting Father and father of the coming age. And how does me protecting my friend from a guy who talks nasty to me make the friend a coward?

 

[Peterlag]

I never said that you said that. I said no one should say that.

When a person says that Jesus was not immortal, that implies He was mortal, without saying so directly.

God was the only being who could die on the Cross. No one else would ever qualify.

Death is not instant on a Cross. That is why a Roman soldier would make sure one was actually dead. Jesus died before the Cross killed the body, because Jesus willed what God had always planned. No one nor anything killed Jesus. God willed that Jesus would physically die, to prove that death indeed did happen. It was not a near death experience.

The point is that many argue whether Jesus was God because Jesus did physically die.

Being immortal does not prevent death. If God proclaims death, even eternal beings will die. Eternal life cannot prevent this death we are talking about. God can both create, and literally uncreate, which is the cessation of life. What we call physical death is not the cessation of the soul who is eternally that being. It is just a physical shell that returns to dust. There is not a body of sin and death waiting for the soul to go through life and death over and over again. But God could decide at any point to terminate all existence, and start over with nothing. Eternal life is promised, but it would seem that God could always change His mind, because creation has no say in what God does.

The point is God did die as the Lamb slain, because that was the.plan even prior to creation. Jesus claimed too many times to be the beginning and the end, the alpha and omega, for us to think that Jesus was just created in the first century.

Jesus did not claim that falsely just so the Jews would have a reason to kill Him according to their Law. John 19:7

"The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God."

Jesus did not make Himself the Son of God. Jesus was God from conception. The very reason the Jews rejected Jesus was the plan God had all along, and they missed the whole point. God made Jesus physically Himself to come in a physical body.

Jesus had to die, and the only Law that was broken was this one:

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Jesus was the Son of God, and was God, to directly undo what Adam did. Adam was created. Jesus was born in the womb of Mary. Philippians 2:6-8

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

Adam was disobedient causing death. Jesus was obedient in death causing eternal life.

The plan did not involve Jesus bringing the tree of life to earth and handing out fruit for all eternity. So "not death" as many use the term immortal can never work. Immortal was never a plan in God's Word.

I find it odd that one would think God would be spit on and then nailed to a tree and die. There is no such record in the Old Testament of any such behavior from God. If you even got near what the Jews believed to be the Lords presence you were toast. That would be in the wrong part of the Temple or even touched the Ark of the Covenant.

 

[Zao is life]

I don't have a verse that says Jesus existed before the foundation of the world. I do have these...

• He was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).
• He was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).
• He was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected Him (Acts 13:30).
• He was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).
• He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).
• He was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).

It's Christianity: John 1:1-4 & 14; Philippians 2:6; and 1 Peter 1:20 says that Jesus existed in the form of God before the foundation of the world

1 Corinthians 15
45 And so it is written, "The first man, Adam, was made a living soul," the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit.
46 But not the spiritual first, but the natural; afterward the spiritual.
47 The first man was out of earth, earthy; the second Man was the Lord from Heaven.

Well, let's look at 1 Corinthians 15 that you are referring to...

Verse 45... My Bible says Jesus was made a living spirit. Same with us once we are in our new bodies. Note the word made.

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Verse 47... the second man (note the word man) was the Lord who did come from God who is in heaven.

Who are you talking to? I never said anything about the last man and the second man being different.

Thank you for admitting the same man that died was made a quickening Spirit. Your Bible is a badly corrupted version of the scriptures:

1 Corinthians 15:45
"And so it is written, "The first man, Adam, was made a living soul," the last Adam was a life-giving [zōopoiéō] Spirit."

[Strongs Greek] 02227
ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō, dzo-op-oy-eh'-o
from the same as 2226 and 4160;
to (re-)vitalize (literally or figuratively):--make alive, give life, quicken.

Your version:

Verse 45... My Bible says Jesus was made a living spirit. Same with us once we are in our new bodies. Note the word made.

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Same with us once we are in our new bodies. Note the word made.

Verse 47... the second man (note the word man) was the Lord who did come from God who is in heaven.

There is a huge difference between our spirit after we are born again, and the quickening Spirit of Christ/God, who is the last Adam and the second man. There is also a huge difference between the spiritual body that is raised and the quickening Spirit of God.

I've grown really tired of you quoting from YOUR CORRUPTED VERSION OF THE SCRIPTURES. If you continue to insist on ARGUING FROM YOUR OWN CORRUPTED SCRIPTURES then I request that you LEAVE THIS THREAD.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Matthew 13 :​

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

[Zao is life]

Oh I see where we are now. I believe the word mentioned is logos and you believe it's Jesus. So I say Jesus Christ is not a lexical definition of logos. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus." The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah." So then you say I choose not to believe the Scriptures.

There is to us only one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by Him. 1 Cor.8:6.

All things came into being through the logos. The logos became a man, and tabernacled among us. His name is Jesus Christ. More than a synonym. THE NAME of the logos.

Get out of my thread, please. You keep arguing from your own CORRUPTED version of the scriptures - and you refuse to say what version it is, or who translated it. You'e as DISHONEST as the CORRUPTED version of the scriptures you keep arguing from.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

There is to us only one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by Him. 1 Cor.8:6.

The logos became a man, and tabernacled among us. His name is Jesus Christ. More than a synonym. THE NAME of the logos.

AMEN !

 

[Zao is life]

I don't see what you are complaining about. What's the difference between everlasting Father and father of the coming age. And how does me protecting my friend from a guy who talks nasty to me make the friend a coward?

You keep ARGUING from doctrine produced by your own CORRUPTED version of the scriptures, and you refuse to say what the version is or who translated it.

 

[Zao is life]

I find it odd that one would think God would be spit on and then nailed to a tree and die. There is no such record in the Old Testament of any such behavior from God. If you even got near what the Jews believed to be the Lords presence you were toast. That would be in the wrong part of the Temple or even touched the Ark of the Covenant.

And yet it was God who crushed Him. And you do not believe either the Old Testament prophets of God, or Jesus, or the report of His apostles.

1 Who has believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2 For He comes up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground; He has no form nor majesty that we should see Him, nor an appearance that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a Man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as it were a hiding of faces from Him, He being despised, and we esteemed Him not.

4 Surely He has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was on Him; and with His stripes we ourselves are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, each one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted; yet He opened not His mouth. He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before its shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment; and who shall declare His generation? For He was cut off out of the land of the living; for the transgression of My people He was stricken.
9 And He put His grave with the wicked, and with a rich one in His death; although He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to crush Him; to grieve Him; that He should put forth His soul as a guilt-offering. He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the will of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the fruit of the travail of His soul. He shall be fully satisfied. By His knowledge shall My righteous Servant justify for many; and He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide to Him with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong; because He has poured out His soul to death; and He was counted among the transgressors; and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for transgressors.​

 

[covenantee]

I am redeemed. Why do you make your replies all about me? Can you not carry out a conversation without making it all about the poster instead of the content of the post?

Are you unable to type "sheep"?