revturmoil
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How do you interpret prophecy? Do you just accept what the experts teach?
One part of a good hermeneutic is to do a simple word study of the passage. Whatever it is the author and the Spirit wanted to convey is often found in the original text.
So you say that the arms of silver signify the empire of both the Mede's and Persian's. You disregard what Daniel 5:31 and Isaiah 13:17 has to say.
Daniel 5:31
"And Darius the Median took the kingdom, (Babylon) being about threescore and two years old."
Isaiah 13:17
"Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, ie.(Babylon)
The bible doesn't say it was Cyrus the Persian who took Babylon but Darius the Mede.
You also disregard the fact that the second empire is said to be 'inferior' to Babylon.
The the word inferior is 'arah' which means earth, world and ground. (land).
http://www.bluelette...ongs=H772&t=KJV
The Persian Empire was not "land inferior" to Babylon. The only empire "land inferior" to Babylon was the Median empire.
Another problem with your theory is the...
Iron and clay
The fourth kingdom, symbolized as legs of iron and toes mingled with "iron and clay" doesn't come from Rome but from the Grecian Empire i.e. the Arab World.
The word mingled or mixed used to describe the toes mingled with iron and clay is an Aramaic word meaning "arab".
If you look at the bottom of the page on the link you'll see that the word denotes an Arabian and some say 'Arabia'.
So you have to expalain to me how the toes "mixed" with iron and clay infers an ITALLIAN WHEN THE WORD IS "ARAB' AND DENOTES AN ARABIAN!
http://www.bluelette...ngs=H6151&t=KJV
Daniel 2:41-43
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
The ten toes mingled with iron and clay are a symbolic description of the people of the final kingdom. Protestant's would like you to believe these toes represent Rome or the European Union. Iron and clay do not mix and both are brittle. Arab /Muslim cultures are a mixture of many tribes and clans. They are mingled with the seed of men and have not cleaved to one another whereas the EU has. Iron and clay better represents the Ishmaelites (mixed with the seed of men) or today's Arab/Muslim world.
The Protestant's also quote Rev, 17:11 as proof that Rome is the beast.
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
This verse excludes Rome as the beast because Rome "was" in power at the time John wrote revelation. John said the beast that was... "is not". The beast did not exist at that time but Rome did!
Daniel 7
Things go against the interpretation that this is a repetition of Daniel 2. This vision is given after Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon had already risen.
This vision was given to Daniel toward the end of the Babylonian Empire. Belshazzar was the last king of Babylon.
This dream happended about 35 years after Daniels dream of the great statue.
Most interpreters do believe that the vision of Daniel 7 depicts the same empires as of Daniel 2. I don't. I say the beast in Daniel 7 are all end time empires.
Lion cannot be Babylon.
How can this be Babylon when Nebuchadnezzar had already gone mad and restored to the throne? The date this vision occured is the 1st year of Belshazzar who was the last king of Babylon. Daniel sees this beast (lion) rising out of the sea. Babylon had already risen and was toward the end of it's reign. Daniel's prophecy of the lion can't be about Babylon because it was already in existence.
The Hebrew word for "before" in this text is ‘qodam’ which means "in front of, in the presence of, not "historically before" as is commonly interpreted. This means the first three empires will be in the presence of (or stand before) the antichrist kingdom when it emerges.
One part of a good hermeneutic is to do a simple word study of the passage. Whatever it is the author and the Spirit wanted to convey is often found in the original text.
So you say that the arms of silver signify the empire of both the Mede's and Persian's. You disregard what Daniel 5:31 and Isaiah 13:17 has to say.
Daniel 5:31
"And Darius the Median took the kingdom, (Babylon) being about threescore and two years old."
Isaiah 13:17
"Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, ie.(Babylon)
The bible doesn't say it was Cyrus the Persian who took Babylon but Darius the Mede.
You also disregard the fact that the second empire is said to be 'inferior' to Babylon.
The the word inferior is 'arah' which means earth, world and ground. (land).
http://www.bluelette...ongs=H772&t=KJV
The Persian Empire was not "land inferior" to Babylon. The only empire "land inferior" to Babylon was the Median empire.
Another problem with your theory is the...
Iron and clay
The fourth kingdom, symbolized as legs of iron and toes mingled with "iron and clay" doesn't come from Rome but from the Grecian Empire i.e. the Arab World.
The word mingled or mixed used to describe the toes mingled with iron and clay is an Aramaic word meaning "arab".
If you look at the bottom of the page on the link you'll see that the word denotes an Arabian and some say 'Arabia'.
So you have to expalain to me how the toes "mixed" with iron and clay infers an ITALLIAN WHEN THE WORD IS "ARAB' AND DENOTES AN ARABIAN!
http://www.bluelette...ngs=H6151&t=KJV
Daniel 2:41-43
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
The ten toes mingled with iron and clay are a symbolic description of the people of the final kingdom. Protestant's would like you to believe these toes represent Rome or the European Union. Iron and clay do not mix and both are brittle. Arab /Muslim cultures are a mixture of many tribes and clans. They are mingled with the seed of men and have not cleaved to one another whereas the EU has. Iron and clay better represents the Ishmaelites (mixed with the seed of men) or today's Arab/Muslim world.
The Protestant's also quote Rev, 17:11 as proof that Rome is the beast.
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
This verse excludes Rome as the beast because Rome "was" in power at the time John wrote revelation. John said the beast that was... "is not". The beast did not exist at that time but Rome did!
Daniel 7
Things go against the interpretation that this is a repetition of Daniel 2. This vision is given after Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon had already risen.
This vision was given to Daniel toward the end of the Babylonian Empire. Belshazzar was the last king of Babylon.
This dream happended about 35 years after Daniels dream of the great statue.
Most interpreters do believe that the vision of Daniel 7 depicts the same empires as of Daniel 2. I don't. I say the beast in Daniel 7 are all end time empires.
Lion cannot be Babylon.
How can this be Babylon when Nebuchadnezzar had already gone mad and restored to the throne? The date this vision occured is the 1st year of Belshazzar who was the last king of Babylon. Daniel sees this beast (lion) rising out of the sea. Babylon had already risen and was toward the end of it's reign. Daniel's prophecy of the lion can't be about Babylon because it was already in existence.
The Hebrew word for "before" in this text is ‘qodam’ which means "in front of, in the presence of, not "historically before" as is commonly interpreted. This means the first three empires will be in the presence of (or stand before) the antichrist kingdom when it emerges.