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I am uncomfortable with a movement I see to substitute online "worship" for in-person worship. I think the Lord wants us to worship in person.
Understand, however don't we do that daily? And worship comes in the form of prayer, reading scripture, applying scripture, witnessing, serving, and many other ways...we are worshipping God by opening ourselves to Him and let Him rule our daily life. Allowing Him to direct our footsteps...completely dying to self and allowing Him to use you as He has need.
If religion is what God desires as worship then this is what scripture says:
James 1 (KJV)
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²² But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
²³ For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
²⁴ For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
²⁵ But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
²⁶ If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
²⁷ Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
 
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Understand, however don't we do that daily? And worship comes in the form of prayer, reading scripture, applying scripture, witnessing, serving, and many other ways...we are worshipping God by opening ourselves to Him and let Him rule our daily life. Allowing Him to direct our footsteps...completely dying to self and allowing Him to use you as He has need.
how does one die to self when doing, doing, doing ....particularly what is considered the 'pious' stuff.....is in the spotlight?
 
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how does one die to self when doing, doing, doing ....particularly what is considered the 'pious' stuff.....is in the spotlight?
Doing His Will vs doing our own thing...
BTW...you don't have to be so formal in your style of writing...we're all family.
Cambridge Dictionary.com
As a personal pronoun (both subject and object), one can be used to refer to ‘people in general’. We often use one in making generalisations, especially in more formal styles. However, if one is used too much, it can make the speaker sound too formal. One takes a third person singular verb:

One never knows, does one?

One should not use mobile phones when driving.

Holidays are supposed to allow one to forget about work.

You and they are also used in a similar way. However, one and you include the speaker in the generalisation:

[a durian is a kind of fruit]

Does one eat durian in Malaysia? (includes the speaker, who is there or has an interest in going there; more formal)

Do you eat durian in Malaysia? (less formal)

Do they eat durian in Malaysia? (refers to others)

One’s is a possessive determiner:

One’s health is much more important than having lots of money.
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Well I got to share this...as Angelina was saying and I agree, Church is going to be anywhere 2 or more are gathered in His name and there He will be in the midst of them...amen?
So today I was invited over to a friend's house whose mother was also there...we began discussing things about sin and repentance and I shared a video I watched last night from The Lion of Judah ministry...
By the end of it 2 of us were crying like a baby...one was quiet and reserved.
And after a brief discussion she turned on her favorite preacher and his message was the exact same message...we laughed and cried and praised God by how often He does things in such a timely manner.
We held hands and prayed for one another and gave God Praise for giving us the right words spoken at the right time that brought conviction, repentance, healing and deliverance in our lives of that very thing.
We had CHURCH! :D
 

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Understand, however don't we do that daily? And worship comes in the form of prayer, reading scripture, applying scripture, witnessing, serving, and many other ways...we are worshipping God by opening ourselves to Him and let Him rule our daily life. Allowing Him to direct our footsteps...completely dying to self and allowing Him to use you as He has need.
If religion is what God desires as worship then this is what scripture says:
James 1 (KJV)
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²² But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
²³ For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
²⁴ For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
²⁵ But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
²⁶ If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
²⁷ Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
I think the Lord wants us to worship him publicly.
 
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Doing His Will vs doing our own thing...
BTW...you don't have to be so formal in your style of writing...we're all family.
Cambridge Dictionary.com
As a personal pronoun (both subject and object), one can be used to refer to ‘people in general’. We often use one in making generalisations, especially in more formal styles. However, if one is used too much, it can make the speaker sound too formal. One takes a third person singular verb:

One never knows, does one?

One should not use mobile phones when driving.

Holidays are supposed to allow one to forget about work.

You and they are also used in a similar way. However, one and you include the speaker in the generalisation:

[a durian is a kind of fruit]

Does one eat durian in Malaysia? (includes the speaker, who is there or has an interest in going there; more formal)

Do you eat durian in Malaysia? (less formal)

Do they eat durian in Malaysia? (refers to others)

One’s is a possessive determiner:

One’s health is much more important than having lots of money.
:)
:) I use 'one' to cover all bases. Using the term 'you' does not include me....it sets me apart from you.....it puts me in a position excluded from any 'judgement'. I don't consider it formal; I consider it inclusive. That said, do I fill my world with doing, doing, doing?
I think understanding doing and resting simultaneously is a mindset, an insight only understood by a regenerated mind....an insight as presented in Romans 7 and 8
 

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Not so much, churches never entirely go away.

Hope staff picks up for those who are overworked.

God bless all of you take care.
 
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I think the Lord wants us to worship him publicly.
Perhaps, but is it because there is more power in the voice of many than in the heart of one?
I have been in worship services where it was so dead in the spirit that people were falling asleep while standing up singing hymns...I have been in worship services where the anointing of the Holy Spirit was so strong that the preacher never got to preach his sermon...I have been in worship services where the worship service was so ritual I had to look around and make sure I wasnt at a military base and everyone was marching in step in and in perfect sync with each other, service began promptly at 10-, announcements, worship service, sermon, alter call, dismiss promptly at noon.
I never figured out why everyone was in such a hurry to leave...oh yeah....their dinner was in the oven and they had to hurry home...JK:D
 

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If we think worship is something done on a particular day at a particular place with a group of people, I think we have not understood what worship fundamentally means.
Worship is what we do, what we think when something gets our attention and holds it, be it sport or money or pleasure or clothes or food....dare I say it....self.

What we worship is revealed in the thoughts and interests we insist on pursuing anywhere anytime.

Worshipping in Spirit and in Truth does not require outward manifestations neither is worshipping Baal foreign in a Church pew even with hands raised and hallelujahs.
 
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I was praying today for a young man whom God chose to completely heal from a genetic disease [...] Thank you Jesus that he is saved and healed

I would love to read more about this. Do you have any links?

Also, does any Bible verse support the idea that this young man is saved because he is healed? Doesn't John 5:14 suggest otherwise?
 

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I would love to read more about this. Do you have any links?

Also, does any Bible verse support the idea that this young man is saved because he is healed? Doesn't John 5:14 suggest otherwise?
He is not saved because he is healed. He was a believer and follower of Christ beforehand and so are his parents. If you are asking if people can get healed before salvation the answer is yes. It's one of the prime reasons why people become saved in the first place. It happens as God moves in a divine way toward an unbeliever who prays for a healing or their family or friends pray and they are healed.....
 

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I see worship not so much as something we do, although that plays a part, but rather as something we are. Not a state of doing, but a state of being, and it is what we are that motivates what we do.

There are secular people in the world who wouldn't dream of breaking God's commandments. While they might not keep them all, there are certainly some who would find utterly repugnant that they should cheat on their wife or husband, nor even consider looking upon any other to lust after them.
There are others who are meticulous in honesty, they would never lie , cheat on their taxes, nor steal from anyone.
There are others who are so content with their lives that covetousness may as well be a foreign language.
And there are still others who may do all of the above and also dote on their parents and love and care for them right up to the grave.
Yet none of this could be construed as worship. Obedience yes, but our righteousness is as filthy rags.

There are church-going people who sing hymns. Yet they then go home and beat their wives and watch pornography on television.
There are still others who 'religiously' attend church every week but live the rest of the week pursuing money, fame, and reputation at the expense of others. There are even some who attend church every week because it benefits them to have the contacts for sales and business. None of this could be considered in any sense worship.

Worship is a surrendered life. Worship is a recognition that God is alone worthy to rule and reign in the life. Worship is a state of being where one is completely submitted to the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit fills the person to the extent that one's very nature is changed , sometimes radically. Worship is a state of being where one's will becomes one with the will of God. A state of being where one hates the things God hates, and loves the things God loves. A state of being where one is conformed into the image of Jesus Christ, identical in character, identical in motives, identical in hope and faith and love. Then, and only then, everything we do,
even our secular labour, is infused with the love of God, both for Him and others. Everything we do is then an expression of the overflowing love of God and can be used of Him as a vehicle for the sharing of the gospel and for providing for the needs of others.
The concordance in both the Greek and Hebrew reveals the word worship means to prostrate oneself, to crouch down even face down upon the earth before God. That is the outward physical expression of the submission and surrender that is required .... when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:23.

So why do we worship God and not something, or someone else? Because of who He is. The Creator of heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything that is in them is worthy. He who created all things, became a man and died on behalf of mankind is Lord of Lords and deserves the fidelity and love of all His creation. Greater love hath no man than he who lays down his life for a friend. There is a greater love however, and that is the love that motivated Jesus to lay down His life even for His enemies. Laying down our lives for our Creator is the very least we can do.


Romans 12:1 ¶ I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

None of the above has anything to do with public praise and singing, nor does it have anything to do with zoom Bible studies. But both, the fellowship and the Bible studies, contribute mightily to our motivation and mindset in our daily dying to self and living for God.
 

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He is not saved because he is healed. He was a believer and follower of Christ beforehand and so are his parents. If you are asking if people can get healed before salvation the answer is yes and the prime reason people are saved as God moves in a divine way toward an unbeliever who prayed for a healing or their family or friends. His word tell us this.
Agreed. In fact I can't think of a person in the NT whose physical or mental issues weren't healed before his/her spiritual needs were met.
 

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I see worship not so much as something we do, although that plays a part, but rather as something we are. Not a state of doing, but a state of being, and it is what we are that motivates what we do.
That's deep and beautiful :)

Agreed. In fact I can't think of a person in the NT whose physical or mental issues weren't healed before his/her spiritual needs were met.
So you're saying someone who is sick cannot have had their spiritual needs met?
 

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That's deep and beautiful :)


So you're saying someone who is sick cannot have had their spiritual needs met?
@Vid if you wish to debate various issues, please do so by creating another thread in the appropriate forum. You can of course disagree with any of the content in this thread but this thread is not for debating. Thank you ❤️❤️
 
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Not so much, churches never entirely go away.

Hope staff picks up for those who are overworked.

God bless all of you take care.
@MatthewG I do believe that Acts 2.42 activities, which began after the church's birthday at Pentecost, will indeed continue until the Lord's return for His church.