Sabbath or Sunday? What did Jesus teach & show in scripture?

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Big Boy Johnson

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Hi kettle... meet black! funny.gif

You do the same things you accuse others of doing so your horse is high!

I get it though... you get quite upset when others don't agree lock step with your denominations teachings... sometimes you just gotta let it go and relax... when Saturday gets here of course! thumbsup2.gif
 

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Hi kettle... meet black! View attachment 39070

You do the same things you accuse others of doing so your horse is high!

I get it though... you get quite upset when others don't agree lock step with your denominations teachings... sometimes you just gotta let it go and relax... when Saturday gets here of course! View attachment 39071

You win the "I know you are but what am I" contest.

Congratulations.

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The truth is comfortable to me. The old covenant was in effect until Jesus death, so the gospel records which chronicled his life and teachings while he was alive, was primarily old covenant. The actual NT or covenant didn't start with Matthew, the actual NT started at Jesus's death. You asked the question, I provided the biblical answer.
So why did the apostles continue even after His death, why not tell everyone about a change... not just be silent...
 

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So why did the apostles continue even after His death, why not tell everyone about a change... not just be silent...

They met on Sunday and never called it the sabbath.

We see in Acts chapter 2 that the first church service was on Sunday (the day of Pentecost they were all with one accord in one place and received the outpouring of the Holy Ghost). And, the first public evangelism meeting was also held on Sunday out in the street after the Holy Ghost was poured out in the upper room (Acts 2:14-36)

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him


Apparently the Holy Spirit did not lead them to meet on Saturday and call it the sabbath.

The seventh day of the week was blessed and sanctified by God. The Israelites were commanded to keep the Sabbath holy. However, no command for Christians to keep the Sabbath is found in the New Testament.

The word sabbath is a transliteration of the Hebrew word shabbat (???????), meaning “to cease.” The first mention of the word sabbath is found in Genesis 2:2-3:

By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

These verses are frequently used to prove that the Sabbath rest was instituted prior to its inclusion in the Mosaic Law. However, there is no command in this passage to keep the Sabbath nor was it practiced prior to the giving of the Law on Mount Sinai. These verses merely document God’s resting from His work on the seventh day.

The Sabbath was ordained as part of the Mosaic Law in Exodus 20:8-11 . The nation of Israel was commanded by God to have a complete day of worship and rest. Specifically this was to be a day of worship as well as rest. It was to commemorate the fact the God completed the creation in six days. God did not rest on the seventh day because He was tired, but because there was nothing further that He wished to do. Exodus 20:8-11 also provides an excellent reason for the six days of creation being literal twenty-four hour days.

The purpose of the Sabbath for Israel is explained in the next verse, “I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them” (Eze. 20:12. The Sabbath was a symbol of a covenant between God and Israel, signifying that it was the Lord who set apart Israel from the other nations.

In Deuteronomy 5:12-15, the Israelites were commanded to keep the Sabbath as a memorial of their deliverance from Egypt by God’s mighty hand. In the Old Testament, violating the Sabbath resulted in a person’s excommunication from Israel, or even death (Num 15:32-35.

Following the Apostle Paul’s conversion, the synagogue was not his place of worship; it was his mission field. He went there to reason with the Jews.

“And according to Paul’s custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, ‘This Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you is the Christ’” (Acts 17:2-4.

The word sabbath only occurs two times in the New Testament epistles. For the believer today, a Sabbath rest is described in Hebrews 4:9 as a moment-by-moment rest by believers in the Lord by faith. This reference contains no commandment concerning which day the church should meet for worship.

In Romans 14:4-5, each believer must be fully convinced in their own mind as to the day of worship. In Colossians 2:16 , believers are admonished not to judge one another in regard to their views on the Sabbath day. This means there is no universal command for the church today to worship on the Saturday. The early church gathered together on the first day of the week to commemorate the Lord’s resurrection Acts 20:7. The New Testament does not equate church worship and Sabbath observance.

The Sabbath was part of the Mosaic Law from which the believer was set free (Rom. 8:1-4. “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Rom. 10:4. Christ redeemed believers from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:10-13.

Paul describes the Law as a tutor that leads us to Christ “so that we may be justified by faith” (Gal. 3:24, Rom. 3:20. In Romans 10:4, Paul wrote, “For Christ is the end [termination or conclusion] of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Sabbath worship will be reinstated in the Millennium.

The people of the land shall also worship at the doorway of that gate before the Lord on the sabbaths and on the new moons Eze. 46:3.

And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me (Isa. 66:23).
 

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They met on Sunday and never called it the sabbath.

We see in Acts chapter 2 that the first church service was on Sunday (the day of Pentecost they were all with one accord in one place and received the outpouring of the Holy Ghost). And, the first public evangelism meeting was also held on Sunday out in the street after the Holy Ghost was poured out in the upper room (Acts 2:14-36)

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

None of which either establishes Sunday sacredness or abrogates the 4th commandment as it reads.

Apparently the Holy Spirit did not lead them to meet on Saturday and call it the sabbath.

Why would He do that, since it had already been firmly established by engraving the tables of stone with His own finger?

The seventh day of the week was blessed and sanctified by God. The Israelites were commanded to keep the Sabbath holy.

"One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.” (Exodus 12:49)

However, no command for Christians to keep the Sabbath is found in the New Testament.

Sure there is:

Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. (1 Corinthians 7:19)

These verses are frequently used to prove that the Sabbath rest was instituted prior to its inclusion in the Mosaic Law. However, there is no command in this passage to keep the Sabbath nor was it practiced prior to the giving of the Law on Mount Sinai. These verses merely document God’s resting from His work on the seventh day.

The question presumes that for a law to be in existence, there must be some exact account in Scripture of a man having observed or having been taught that law. This presumption is wholly illogical.
It also implies two claims: First, that the Sabbath was instituted in a Jewish setting. This claim is intended to prepare the way for the next, that the Sabbath was made only for the Jews.
Texts like Exodus 16:29 and Nehemiah 9:13,14 are supposed to neutralize the statement in Genesis 2:2,3 and effectively expunge it from the record. But does one Scriptural statement do that to another? No. When one text appears to contradict another we may be sure that we have made a mistake in our interpretation of one or the other of the texts. Genesis 2:2,3 stands firmly as a testimony that God rested on the seventh day of the first week of time and then and there blessed it. Thus we are prepared at the outset to believe that whatever Exodus 16:29 and Nehemiah 9:13,14 teach, they do not teach contrary to Genesis 2:2, 3.
Exodus 16:29 is part of the narrative of the giving of the manna, which was to be collected each day for the six working days, with twice as much to be collected on the sixth day, because God gave no manna on the seventh day. But some of the Israelites, contrary to God's command, went out on the Sabbath day to collect it. This caused the Lord to inquire of Moses: "How long refuse you to keep my commandments and my laws? See, for that the Lord hath given you the Sabbath, therefore he gives you on the sixth day the bread of two days." Ex. 16:28,29.
Nehemiah, long afterward, recalls what God did for Israel in bringing them out of captivity, declaring in part: "Thou came down also upon mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: and made known unto them thy holy Sabbath, and, commanded them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant." Neh. 9:13,14.
These passages deal with essentially the same incidents and are so similar in construction that they may be considered together. Let us note certain phrases:
  1. "The Lord bath given you the Sabbath." Ex. 16:29.
  2. "Gave them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments." Neh. 9:13.
  3. "Made known unto them thy holy Sabbath." Neh. 9:14.
The answer to the objection before us is found clearly revealed in the second of these three phrases. If, as claimed, the construction of the first and the third phrase requires the conclusion that the Sabbath law did not exist before the Exodus, then the construction of the second phrase requires us to conclude that the wide range of statutes, laws, and commandments that were formally stated at Sinai did not formerly exist. Therefore, not only would it have been no sin to work on the seventh day, previous to the Exodus, but it would have been no sin, previous to Sinai, to have done any of the things prohibited by the various laws and commandments which God "gave them" at that time.
But no one will claim that it would have been right to do the latter, for he agrees that nine of the Ten Commandments are an expression of eternal moral principles. When, at Sinai, God commanded, "Thou shall not commit adultery," it might be said, in one sense of the word, that He then gave Israel the law against sexual immorality. It was the first formal proclamation of that principle to the newly formed nation that stood in need, at the outset, of a clearly expressed code of laws. But no one believes for a moment that previous to the giving of that law against adultery from the flaming mount, there was no divine ban on adultery and therefore no sin in indulging in immoral acts.
Even so with the Sabbath law. It, along with the other great precepts of the Ten Commandments, and many other statutes, was formally made known to Israel as they began their national life. The long darkness of Egypt had quite blurred their understanding of God's will. Now by the light of the pillar of fire, God made dear to them all His requirements, including the Sabbath.
God declares, "I made myself known unto them [The Israelites], in bringing them forth out of the land of Egypt." Eze. 20:9. Would the objector reason from this text that God did not exist before the Exodus? No. Then why contend that the Sabbath did not exist before that time simply because God then made it known to Israel? The facts are that the knowledge both of God and of the Sabbath had largely faded from the minds of the Israelites during their long Egyptian bondage.
Only a word needs to be said in reply to the claim based on the fact that the Scriptures are silent about anyone's keeping the Sabbath before the Exodus. The few pages of the Bible that precede the account of the Exodus cover some twenty-five hundred years. Obviously, only a few highlights of the long record could be penned. Chiefly, Moses sought to provide it running narrative to connect creation with the events that followed the fall of man, on down through the Flood, the call of Abraham, the rise of Israel, and their exodus from Egypt. Little is mentioned of the religious activities in which men engaged during those twenty-five hundred years. To present this silence of Scripture as proof against the seventh day Sabbath is to rely on an extremely weak argument.
Those who promote the importance of Sunday generally include in their reasoning that man needs a recurring day of worship each week, but they do not set any bounds of time or place on that claim. Hence those who lived before the Exodus were in need of such a recurring day. Seeing they were, would God fail to provide for that need? Indeed, did He not do that very thing when, at creation, He set apart for a holy use the seventh day? And do we need to find a specific mention of their keeping that day before we reasonably conclude that holy men like Enoch, Noah, and Abraham kept that holy day? In fact, what other conclusion would be reasonable?

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Thanks for all the blah, blah, blah... still does not explain why the Lord and His Apostles never taught that Christians are required to observe Saturday sabbath to be saved and those that don't cannot be saved as your religion claims.

And still does not explain why the Counsel at Jerusalem meeting of the Apostles... led by the Holy Ghost.... did not include Saturday sabbath in what they believed the Lord instructed them to say is required of Christians living under the New Covenant.

Nobody is saying Sunday is the sabbath but we have proof in scripture that the Apostle met together on Sunday to worship the Lord. That is not in dispute.

So, there's what God's Word says and then there's what your religion says... so, enjoy the requirements of your religion which are extra biblical and not supported by the New Covenant.

We all have the right to follow what we want to follow, so enjoy!
 
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The word sabbath only occurs two times in the New Testament epistles.

Which concludes nothing.

For the believer today, a Sabbath rest is described in Hebrews 4:9 as a moment-by-moment rest by believers in the Lord by faith.

There are no less than 4 different types of rest referred to in Hebrews 4. It is a treatise to a people whose hearts were set on a Canaan-like form of temporal rest designed to appeal to them to consider the rest of Grace afforded by the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified. But the mention of the Sabbath was merely one more example of rest that the author knew they could relate to. Do you REALLY think the author of Hebrews was trying to sell these Semitic tribes the idea that the rest of grace that comes from yoking up with Jesus was to replace the 4th commandment?

It's not as clear in the King James, but Hebrews 4:7 would've been a great place for God to replace the Sabbath with His rest of Grace (today) but instead he gives it in addition to the sabbath--not in place of it:

New International Version
God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”

This reference contains no commandment concerning which day the church should meet for worship.

Which, again, concludes nothing. There are countless references to the Sabbath in the Bible that contain no commandment to observe it.

The Sabbath was ordained as part of the Mosaic Law in Exodus 20:8-11

No, the Sabbath is part of the Law of God, which stands alone by the many explicit distinctions it holds from the "law of Moses."

In Romans 14:4-5, each believer must be fully convinced in their own mind as to the day of worship.

No. Romans 14 doesn't mention the Sabbath, and if I were trying to validate the Sabbath from any text, you would demand a direct mention.

In Colossians 2:16 , believers are admonished not to judge one another in regard to their views on the Sabbath day.

No one can really judge anyone. God does that. And Colossians 2 isn't about the weekly Sabbath—it's about the ceremonial laws and Sabbaths that were nailed to the Cross.

This means there is no universal command for the church today to worship on the Saturday.

Exodus 20 is very universal. You're just manipulating terms that the Bible nowhere prescribes.

The early church gathered together on the first day of the week to commemorate the Lord’s resurrection Acts 20:7.

Why is it that a mention of a first day gathering is enough to establish Sunday sacredness for you but you need fire to come down from Heaven to validate the seventh day which Jesus kept and is already commanded?

The New Testament does not equate church worship and Sabbath observance.

Sure it does:

So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.


The Sabbath was part of the Mosaic Law from which the believer was set free (Rom. 8:1-4. “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes”

Sure. Christ is the end of the law as a means of making someone righteous—not as the standard for Christian behavior.

(Rom. 10:4. Christ redeemed believers from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:10-13.

Sure. From the curse of being condemned by it, since He forgives and washes away all sin and empowers believers to live for Him by faith, which is by righteousness, which the law defines.

Paul describes the Law as a tutor that leads us to Christ “so that we may be justified by faith”

Sure it points out sin, and the opposite (like a mirror), which is righteousness. That's what the Holy Spirit convicts of—sin and righteousness. The law teaches; the Spirit convicts.

In Romans 10:4, Paul wrote, “For Christ is the end [termination or conclusion] of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Now you're just repeating yourself and manipulating the meaning of the verse. The commandment is holy, and, just, and good, according to 3 chapters earlier. How could it be terminated? Paul doesn't contradict himself, as folks would have you believe:

Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. (1 Corinthians 7:19)


Sabbath worship will be reinstated in the Millennium.

No, it'll be continued in the Millennium

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Thanks for all the blah, blah, blah... still does not explain why the Lord and His Apostles never taught that Christians are required to observe Saturday sabbath to be saved and those that don't cannot be saved as your religion claims.

I haven't argued anything from "my religion"—only from The Bible and sound hermeneutics. And I haven't said anything about being saved or lost. That is your obsession. The way to be saved is to accept Jesus as LORD and Saviour and follow Him. What people decide they can or cannot do is between themselves and God. Soteriology is not the topic of the threads you are challenging me on.

And still does not explain why the Counsel at Jerusalem meeting of the Apostles... led by the Holy Ghost.... did not include Saturday sabbath in what they believed the Lord instructed them to say is required of Christians living under the New Covenant.

This is simply a variant form of a claim made in connection with a number of objections. The churchman who in false zeal opposes the Sabbath, also generally believes most ardently that the first day of the week holds a spiritually unique place in the week. He sees vast import in the fact that the New Testament writers nowhere reissue a command in behalf of the Sabbath. But he sees nothing impressive or damaging in the fact that both the Old and the New Testament writers are silent about a command in behalf of Sunday. The complete silence of all the Scriptures concerning a Sunday command sounds more impressive to him in behalf of Sunday than the awesome thunder of Sinai, echoing down through tile pages of Holy Writ, sounds in behalf of the Sabbath. One is almost tempted to believe that the objector's repeated insistence that the New Testament issues no new command for the Sabbath is for the purpose of drawing attention away from the fact that the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, is completely silent about a command for Sunday.

But what about those converts from heathenism who needed instruction as to a weekly holy day? Undoubtedly they did need instruction. Hence if Sunday were the day to keep holy, where is the record of apostolic instruction on it? Except for 1 Corinthians 16:1-3, which instructs the Corinthians to lay by some funds on the first day of the week for a future offering for the poor at Jerusalem, there is no suggestion as to anything of arty kind, secular or religious, that the apostles ever asked arty Christian church to do or not to do on the first day of the week. This is strange indeed. No command, no instruction. One searches the New Testament in vain, not simply for a Sunday command, but for any formula of service, any suggestion of holiness to the day, any counsel on the proper program of living for that day. The point bears repeating: The churches raised up among the heathen would never have stumbled onto the idea of Sunday sacredness in any form from reading what the apostles wrote.

But what of the seventh day Sabbath? They would have read fifty-nine references to it, and those references pictured it as the weekly day of worship, when Paul and others might most often have preached. They would have read Luke's description of it as “the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Luke 23:56. Most of these fifty-nine references are almost casual; that is, they take for granted that their hearers are conversant with the Sabbath. But how would those Christian converts from heathenism have been conversant with the Sabbath unless they had been instructed concerning it?

Paul said near the close of his ministry that he had "preached none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come." Acts 26:22. In that he followed the course outlined by our resurrected Lord who, "beginning at Moses and all the prophets," expounded "in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Luke 24:27. The disciples who thus listened saw there the pattern for their preaching. The Scriptures they expounded, of course, were what we call the Old Testament.

Now, in order for Paul or the other apostles to teach the Old Testament, they would need to carry it with them. And as they won converts would they do less than exhort them to read those Scriptures? This conclusion is irresistible. Christianity has always been the religion of the Book, a revealed religion. We need hardly add that when those converts read the Scriptures they would certainly find the Sabbath right in the heart of the Ten Commandments. Therefore they would most certainly know of it and would understand the fifty-nine references to it in the New Testament. Why should the apostles need to reissue a Sabbath command? In the light of all this the argument based on the silence of the New Testament in the matter of a new command becomes pointless.

But in view of the fact that the converts from heathenism would naturally conclude from the Scriptures that the Sabbath should be kept holy, how strange is the silence of the apostles about the matter of the abolition of it, if as the Sabbath objector contends, they actually did preach its abolition.

Paul told the elders of the church of Ephesus that he had "kept back nothing that was profitable." Acts 20:20. But where in his letter to the Ephesians does he inform them that the seventh day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments is abolished? He does speak of the abolition of certain "commandments contained in ordinances." Eph. 2:15. But we have found that he was not speaking of the Ten Commandments. He "kept back nothing that was profitable" to any church he raised up. But in all the letters he wrote to those churches there is only one reference in one letter to the abolition of certain "Sabbath days," and we have found that he was there speaking of annual Sabbaths.

We do find Paul's writings bristling with discussions of the ceremonial ritual that God gave to Israel at Sinai. The heart of the controversy between him and the Judaizing leaders was the rite of circumcision. He declared repeatedly that circumcision was not needful, that it was done away in the Christian Era. Because of this Jewish mobs tried to kill him.

Lay alongside this the fact that the Jews were perhaps even more fanatically attached to the Sabbath than they were to circumcision. They were ready to kill Christ simply because He healed a man on the Sabbath.

Hence, if Paul or the other apostles had gone about declaring that the Sabbath was abolished, even as they declared that circumcision was, would not a furor have been raised, and would not something of that furor have echoed through the pages of the New Testament, even as the circumcision controversy did? But we look in vain for it. Of the total of some sixty times that the word "Sabbath" is used in the New Testament, only one, we repeat, declares that certain "Sabbath days" are abolished. And the only instances where the word "Sabbath" is used in the setting of controversy are those in the Gospels, where Christ sought, not to show that the Sabbath was abolished, but to show what was "lawful" to do on that day. Again we see that the silence of the apostles, instead of being an argument against the Sabbath, is rather a powerful argument that the apostles never spoke against it.

In the light of these facts it is hardly necessary to examine in any detail the specific texts cited in the objection. We are supposed to conclude that because the Sabbath command is not mentioned in these texts, therefore it is not in force in the Christian Era. By the same logic we should therefore conclude that if any other of the Ten Commandments are not mentioned in these texts, they likewise are not in force. In Matthew 19:17-27 the commandment against idolatry, for example, is not mentioned. Shall we conclude that it is no longer binding? In the gospel commission, Matthew 28:19, none of the commandments are mentioned. On the day of Pentecost Peter preached a great sermon, Acts 2:14-40, but he mentions none of the commandments. At the Jerusalem council the apostles gave this order: "That you abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if you keep yourselves, you shall do well. Fare you well." Acts 15:29. Not many commandments mentioned here either.

Now the Sabbath objector agrees that nine of the Ten Commandments are binding in the Christian Era, even though he cannot find those nine all listed in these texts. Why may not we be permitted to believe that the fourth is also binding, even though it is not mentioned in these texts?

we have proof in scripture that the Apostle met together on Sunday to worship the Lord. That is not in dispute.

Neither is it of any consequence as pertains to the perpetuity of the 4th commandment.

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Thanks for all the blah, blah, blah... still does not explain why the Lord and His Apostles never taught that Christians are required to observe Saturday sabbath to be saved and those that don't cannot be saved as your religion claims.

And still does not explain why the Counsel at Jerusalem meeting of the Apostles... led by the Holy Ghost.... did not include Saturday sabbath in what they believed the Lord instructed them to say is required of Christians living under the New Covenant.

Nobody is saying Sunday is the sabbath but we have proof in scripture that the Apostle met together on Sunday to worship the Lord. That is not in dispute.

So, there's what God's Word says and then there's what your religion says... so, enjoy the requirements of your religion which are extra biblical and not supported by the New Covenant.

We all have the right to follow what we want to follow, so enjoy!
For those who want excuses, they will find plenty of them it doesn't matter what stripe they come from.
A convinced Atheist, though he/ she claims to be objective will not be convinced even though one rose from the dead.

Jesus told us this much with his story of the Rich Man and Lazarus. His story is then taken to mean something other than the intent of the illustration......and so men deceive themselves in their pride of 'rightness'
 

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Thanks for all the blah, blah, blah... still does not explain why the Lord and His Apostles never taught that Christians are required to observe Saturday sabbath to be saved and those that don't cannot be saved as your religion claims.

And still does not explain why the Counsel at Jerusalem meeting of the Apostles... led by the Holy Ghost.... did not include Saturday sabbath in what they believed the Lord instructed them to say is required of Christians living under the New Covenant.

Nobody is saying Sunday is the sabbath but we have proof in scripture that the Apostle met together on Sunday to worship the Lord. That is not in dispute.

So, there's what God's Word says and then there's what your religion says... so, enjoy the requirements of your religion which are extra biblical and not supported by the New Covenant.

We all have the right to follow what we want to follow, so enjoy!
That is the truth in Gods Word that you consider noise, need to think about that..
 

Big Boy Johnson

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That is the truth in Gods Word that you consider noise, need to think about that..


And you STILL cannot show where Saturday sabbath is a requirement for Christians in the New Testament... imagine that! clueless-scratching.gif



men deceive themselves in their pride of 'rightness'

Which apparently is why some claim Saturday sabbath is required for New Testament believers... even though the New Testament does not teach that it is! Weird!
 

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And you STILL cannot show where Saturday sabbath is a requirement for Christians in the New Testament... imagine that!
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He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. (1 John 2:6)

So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (Luke 4:16)

Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, (Acts 17:2)

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He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. (1 John 2:6)

So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (Luke 4:16)

Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, (Acts 17:2)

None of these references say Christians are required to keep Saturday sabbath to be saved.

Would you like to try again with some actual passages from the New Testament that say this is required?

If Saturday sabbath is a salvation issue, then it would actually be taught in the New Testament as being required and yet... it's not!
 

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Here's REST according to the New Covenant... is it's not speaking of keeping Saturday sabbath!

Hebrews 4:4-11
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:6 tells us "to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief" so those living under the Law of Moses did not enter in to God's REST... even though they were observing Saturday sabbath!

What the Lord's Word is speaking of in Hebrews 4:8 is what we have under the New Covenant which is resting in faith IN Christ... not just one day a week, but ALL days.

Therefore Saturday sabbath does not meet the higher standards Jesus Christ has brought forth for His people in the New Covenant due to it';s better promises.

Maybe some day... the sabbatarians can come on over in to the New Covenant and let Jesus be their High Priest rather than trying to go back and live under Moses.
 

BarneyFife

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None of these references say Christians are required to keep Saturday sabbath to be saved.

Would you like to try again with some actual passages from the New Testament that say this is required?

If Saturday sabbath is a salvation issue, then it would actually be taught in the New Testament as being required and yet... it's not!

If you want to suggest that there's no link between these verses to make it obvious that walking as Christ walked includes keeping the Sabbath, that's obviously your privilege to retain, but it degrades your credibility in terms of recognizing basic logic.

The "to be saved"/"salvation issue" evasion is wearing pretty thin. It's just cheap goalpost moving.

Produce a statement from a Sabbatarian claiming that commandment-keeping secures salvation or else you might want to consider dropping this line of accusations if you expect to be taken seriously by those who might be looking on.

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