I get my understanding from the Bible. I agree with His teaching that:Axehead said:<span style='color: #0000cd'>Where did you get this understanding and wisdom? From where in the Bible? </span>
<span style='color: #0000cd'>And why wouldn't the "teachers of the law" know how to keep the Sabbath? Can you tell us how the Lord wants us to keep it? Tell us all the little details. What you can do and what you can't do. Where you can go and where you can't go. What you can think or talk about and what you can't. </span>
<span style='color: #0000cd'>Don't you know that everything a Christian does that is not sin is a holy thing? When we work, we are working for the Lord and obeying Him to honor our employer and be a good witness of Christ, not bringing shame to His name. </span>
<span style='color: #0000cd'>What about picking corn on the Sabbath day? That would be "going out of your place to gather food". Seems to me that you could equate someone earning some money on the Sabbath so they could go to the grocery store and pick a bag of corn out of the freezer and buy it for their hungry family. </span>
<span style='color: #0000cd'>Picking corn looks like work to anybody, not just the Pharisees. Doesn't picking corn look like work to you? </span>
<span style='color: #0000cd'>You are very confused young man. Most of what you just said does not make sense. </span>
<ul class='bbcol decimal'><li><span style='color: #0000cd'>Why are there moral commandments in the "Ceremonial law". </span>
</li><li><span style='color: #0000cd'>If there is a distinction between moral and ceremonial laws, why do "God's laws" and "the law of God" contain ceremonial laws. Why do "Moses law" and the "law of Moses" contain moral laws?</span>
</li><li><span style='color: #0000cd'>If there is a distinction between moral and ceremonial laws, then why is the book of the law filled with moral laws not contained in the 10 commandments?</span>
</li><li><span style='color: #0000cd'>If there is a distinction between moral and ceremonial laws, then why does the Law of God include new moons, solemn feast days: Ps 81:3-4? Do you keep those? </span>
</li><li><span style='color: #0000cd'>If the Sabbath is a moral law, why did Jesus say that David, the priests, and a man with his donkey could all break the Sabbath without sin? Mt 12:1-14; Mk 2:23f, Lk 13:10-17; 14:1-6 Jn 5:8-18; 7:19-24; 9:14-16</span></li></ul>
<span style='color: #0000cd'>I get to enjoy the Sabbath 365 days a year because the Lord is my Sabbath Rest. </span><br />
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<span style='color: #0000cd'>Axehead</span>
Thank you GG,
I have been blessed by your posts too and that you have come to know Christ as your Sabbath.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Have you not read what Jesus said? None seemed to understand the law in Jesus's day, not even the Pharisees, with their pretended holiness. So yes, the teachers of the law didn't understand a thing.
Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Had they actually understood what the law meant, they wouldn't have been found placing their tradition in place of a specific commandment. Which is lawful on the Sabbath days, to save a life, or to kill?
Mark 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
If it is lawful, does that mean the Sabbath was broken? Absolutely not. Jesus defended the true meaning of every single precept in that law. He never broke the Sabbath, but broke their narrow minded views of the Sabbath. They could not understand mercy and truth. Why do you think they (the Pharisees) held their peace at Jesus's question? Because Jesus was right. It is lawful to save a life on the Sabbath. It is lawful to pray with people, and go to synagogues.
Luke 6:1-5 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands. And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days? And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him; How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone? And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
This is why the disciples are cleared. This is the equivalent of walking with a preacher to who knows where, and you are hungry, and you pick an apple and you eat it. The second a Pharisee saw it, they would then say, "Look, law breakers! You are doing work, by picking that apple!" How ridiculous is that? Mighty ridiculous.
I don't get why your posts are siding with the Pharisees. You can agree with Jesus on the other points of the law, as He explains their true meaning and depth, but upon this point, it is as a stumbling block. As He explains the true understanding of keeping the Sabbath, you call me confused and then side with His accusers. You agree with the Pharisees, that Jesus broke the Sabbath? I am not the one confused here. I side with the Lord, He was right. He did not break the Sabbath Day. He did all of which was lawful to do on the Sabbath.
The Lord tells you what is good for the Sabbath:
Isaiah 58:13-14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
That is one such place. Receive your principles of which is good, from the Bible.
A Christian does shame the Lord's name, when he places his employment over the Lord's direct commandment. Going to work on the Sabbath Day is not honourable, it's quite dishonourable. It's saying, "I want nothing to do with you Sabbath Lord, I will continue my business transactions on this very day."
A Christian who knows about the Sabbath, is to prepare for the Sabbath. The fact that you have to go to the store and buy the daily need of food proves you have not prepared for the Sabbath. You therefore have broken the Sabbath. That is one of the principles founded in Exodus, about not going out to gather food. And no, the disciples weren't going out to gather food. They were just out with the Lord, and became hungry. They picked corn and ate. They did not gather a whole bunch, take some home, and started cooking a meal.
I have shown you the distinction between the 10 Commandments, and the cermonial law. Why do you continue your questions, "Why do you not... Or..."
I don't have confusion. Jesus showed what is lawful to do on the Sabbath. The spiritual work Jesus was doing, and the healing was not sinful. It is lawful, therefore the commadment was not broken.
As I said before, it is not as if the ceremonial law is absolutely devoid of moral things to do. There were statutes and judgements.
The Sabbath happens on the 7th Day of the week, not 365 days a year. Who has power to bless a day, and set it apart for holy use? Man, or God?
The 7th Day Sabbath, you do not understand. It is my hope, you do understand the 7th Day Sabbath. You seem to be taking in, and agreeing with others of a sabbath being 365 days a year. I put forth to you, toss that away, and listen to Jesus. Read the Old Testament, and then listen to Jesus explain in greater depth that which we could not understand. What Jesus did, did not break the Sabbath. His own words, "It is lawful", prove that He did not break the Sabbath. So, if you still want to say after this post, "It is not lawful", you are doing 2 things:
1) Rejecting Jesus's explanation, and greater depth and understanding.
2) Condemning Jesus with His accusers and murderers, that He broke the law.
See my previous post in regards to the seperation between the 10 Commandment Law, and the Ceremonial Law.mjrhealth said:Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb_10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can <span class='bbc_underline'>never with those sacrifices</span> which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb_10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not,<span class='bbc_underline'> neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;</span>
Nothing else to say.
In all His love