"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[quietthinker]

There is no sentence of “frying in hell forever” that applies to living men.

you mean only dead men?

 

[Taken]

wait, you dont believe that hell is eternal torment??

For that which IS ALIVE Forever, YES.
For that which IS DEAD Forever, NO.

 

[Cooper]

Ephesians 1:4-5
Acts 13:48
1 peter 2:8
Romans 8:28-29
John 6:39

just a few verses to show the doctrine of election is Biblical.

It was God's plan that all would be saved, all were elected to be saved, but then sin and unbelief entered in. So now what?

It is no good saying you were elected because "few there be that find it."

Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (Matthew 7:14 KJV)

And then we need to walk the narrow path.

Have people come to God in repentance, have they accepted Christ as their Saviour? Have you? Or do you pray to the Virgin Mary?
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[Lifelong_sinner]

It was God's plan that all would be saved, all were elected to be saved, but then sin and unbelief entered in. So now what?

Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (Matthew 7:14 KJV)
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this is a common misconstrued point. Yes, God would love for everyone to be saved. But He cannot let sin go unpunished.
1. Jesus’ death was for the elect only.
2. The majority of mankind will end up in hell.
3. The scariest truth in the universe is God is perfect, and we are not.
4. God cannot let some sins slip, He is just, fair, and honest. He must punish all accordingly.
5. Not everyone is of the elect. And God knew this before He created the universe.

 

[Cooper]

this is a common misconstrued point. Yes, God would love for everyone to be saved. But He cannot let sin go unpunished.
1. Jesus’ death was for the elect only.
2. The majority of mankind will end up in hell.
3. The scariest truth in the universe is God is perfect, and we are not.
4. God cannot let some sins slip, He is just, fair, and honest. He must punish all accordingly.
5. Not everyone is of the elect. And God knew this before He created the universe.

What does that say about Calvinism? Remember it is an 'ism.
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[Taken]

@Lifelong_sinner
@quietthinker
@ScottA

An angel IS a spirit, IS forever alive.
The Fire Pit, IS eternal torment IN FIRE, OF their being an eternal Living spirit, and eternally IN fire they can not escape.

A man IS a natural body, has a soul, has a natural spirit (natural truth in his heart)

All mens natural body’s (LIFE) IS their Blood, AND SHALL DIE.
(A dead body neither knows, or feels anything)

All souls IN a body (belong to God, are ALIVE via Gods Breath), whether IN or OUT of the body.

All natural spirits in a mans Heart/ie mans natural TRUTH (may or may not become BORN Again,) Via the SEED of God, rebirthing that mans spirit, WHICH thereafter, that mans spirit, which IS born again, and his natural TRUTH, becomes the RECEIVER OF GODS TRUTH, BY Gods POWER)....ie the Spirit of Truth, supernaturally, Given that man.

Gods Offering, is for a man TO Agree to Accept (effected by a mans True Heartful Confession), Gods SEED, and RECEIVE a born again spirit....<—-> ONCE that is EFFECTED, RECEIVED...”THAT mans new spirit, shall NEVER DIE, is Alive forever.”

Spirit of Truth...
John 14:17 ~ John 15:16 ~ John 16:13 ~ 1 John 4:6

A man WHO HAS, accepted and received Gods Seed, a born again spirit, is FOREVER kept in Believe and With God.....BY Gods POWER.

All mens BODIES SHALL BE RISEN UP....
HOW all mens body’s ARE RISEN UP, IS because ALL living souls, SHALL return to their Body’s.
(The blood life of a mans body, is dead, gone forever, when the flesh body dies)
All risen body’s SHALL, (saved and unsaved) see the Son of Man, SHALL know He is the Christ, SHALL bow and worship Him.

Body’s of men, that NEVER became soul saved...the LIFE in the soul that belongs to God, SHALL return to God....WHAT IS LEFT?
A dead body, without its blood life.
A soul, without Gods breath of life.
A naturally dead spirit, that never became born again with Gods seed.

AND? What becomes of the LIFE-LESS....body and soul...?
Tortured FOREVER?
What exactly is TORTUROUS to a DEAD thing that feels NOTHING?

Those Dead Body’s and Souls...VOID of all Life are DESTROYED, separated from God forever, and forgotten, remembered no more.

Matt 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Gods GRACE...FOR the UNSAVED....IS never “quickening an unsaved mans spirit” (which would be alive forever).

Gods GRACE...FOR the UNSAVED....IS departing Life from the soul...”that it not be alive forever” in torments.

SO WHAT IS ABLE TO BE IN TORMENTS “FOREVER”?
That ONLY applies to that which HAS LIFE IN IT FOREVER.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

What does that say about Calvinism? Remember it is an 'ism.
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it says that calvinism is merely a name given to the doctrine preached originally by the apostles, there is no difference between calvinism and what the original apostles taught. The only difference is john calvin neatly packaged it so that others may easily understand how salvation happens. Think of calvinism as the cliff notes version of the NT.

 

[Cooper]

it says that calvinism is merely a name given to the doctrine preached originally by the apostles, there is no difference between calvinism and what the original apostles taught. The only difference is john calvin neatly packaged it so that others may easily understand how salvation happens. Think of calvinism as the cliff notes version of the NT.

The same could be said of Arminianism.

Perhaps we would be better looking to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.

After all there are the Arminians, the Calvinists, and the Christians.

I chose Jesus in preference to Arminius or Calvin.

If we read the red verses in only Matthew's Gospel, we have pretty much the whole of it.
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[Taken]

you mean only dead men?

Men have...LIFE IN THEM...
Bodily LIFE....BLOOD ~ no man chooses this life.
Souls LIFE.....Gods Breath ~ no man chooses this life.
Offering of “SPIRIT” LIFE...via Gods SEED. ~ every man can choose or reject this life.

A man WITHOUT “spirit life”....CAN NOT LIVE FOREVER.
A man WHO “rejects spirit life”...
SHALL not be raised in an Uncorrupted glorified holy body.
SHALL not have his soul saved and forever that soul remain ALIVE (with Gods Breath)
SHALL not receive Gods SEED, and his spirit become BORN AGAIN (with Forever Life)

All body’s SHALL die, (their own blood life)...God requires it.

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

The saving of ones soul to KEEP Gods breath of life IN the soul
and the quickening of ones spirit BY the SEED of God...
ARE gift offerings from God TO mankind to freely choose or freely reject.

 

[Cooper]

We have the authoritative teaching of Jesus here.

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[Taken]

We have the authoritative teaching of Jesus here. Perhaps the best page to begin are the Beautitudes beginning on page 6.

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Salvation IS a Gift from God. Not one Scripture reveals ONCE God Gives a man His Gift of Salvation....that Gift IS or CAN be Removed from that man.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Not one Scripture reveals ONCE God Gives a man His Gift of Salvation....that Gift IS or CAN be Removed from that man.

There’s a few scriptures that show that man can indeed nullify the gift:

Luke 12:45-46
Romans 11:20-23
1 Corinthians 9:27
Colossians 1:21-23
Hebrews 10:26-27

But I suspect that these scriptures were taken away from you:

“then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts.” (Luke 8:12)

 

[Taken]

There’s a few scriptures that show that man can indeed nullify the gift:

Luke 12:45-46
Romans 11:20-23
1 Corinthians 9:27
Colossians 1:21-23
Hebrews 10:26-27

But I suspect that these scriptures were taken away from you:

“then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts.” (Luke 8:12)

Those scriptures DO NOT REVEAL a man has Received Salvation....
So maybe you could take anyone of those verses and Highlight a man HAVING RECEIVED SALVATION and THEN LOST HIS SALVATION.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Those scriptures DO NOT REVEAL a man has Received Salvation...

Preposterous!

Read carefully:

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:20-23)

This scripture speaks plainly of the faith of the believer contrasted by the unbelief of the Jews. This same believer is warned of being cut off like the unbelievers.

What is he being cut off from?

Salvation!

There’s is no other thing that belief is tied into other than salvation in the entirety of the holy scriptures.

 

[GEN2REV]

interesting, i was just thinking the same thing about you arminianists.

so do you arminianists really doubt that there are false converts? Why do yall think salvation is so easy??

Ok, we get it. Your name is Lifelong Sinner; your main agenda on Christian Forums is to delude every Christian into believing they are nothing but sinners and should continue to sin freely because God will/has forgive(n) them for all the sin they will ever commit.

Got it.

It's pointless to ask your opinion, you've made your position clear. So, I'll ask all those reading:


Does it make more sense that God, in the judgment, would:

1. allow those who sinned freely all their lives, without remorse, into the holy of holies, to live along side Him and the holy angels.

or

2. that He would allow those who made an effort to overcome sin (overcomers?), to dedicate themselves and their lives to following the ways of Jesus and obey God's (Jesus') Commandments, which were given in the most dramatic fashion in all of recorded history, to live with Him in a heavenly realm of sinlessness?

You decide.

 

[GEN2REV]

this is a common misconstrued point. Yes, God would love for everyone to be saved. But He cannot let sin go unpunished.
1. Jesus’ death was for the elect only.
2. The majority of mankind will end up in hell.
3. The scariest truth in the universe is God is perfect, and we are not.
4. God cannot let some sins slip, He is just, fair, and honest. He must punish all accordingly.
5. Not everyone is of the elect. And God knew this before He created the universe.

What are the elect elected to/for?

Heaven, right? Hmmm. That's a problem for your position.

All the angels the devil enticed to rebellion (disobedience) were ALREADY in heaven. Kinda seems like they'd have a lock on the forever saved concept, doesn't it?

Mmm ... not so much. See, they're forever damned now.

That'll be a tough one to overcome for you, but as usual you will rally and keep repeating the same tired old statements as if this post never happened.

Here we go again.

All together now ....

 

[GEN2REV]

it says that calvinism is merely a name given to the doctrine preached originally by the apostles, there is no difference between calvinism and what the original apostles taught. The only difference is john calvin neatly packaged it so that others may easily understand how salvation happens. Think of calvinism as the cliff notes version of the NT.

I didn't realize Calvinism taught to Keep the 10 Commandments. Learn something new everyday.

 

[Cooper]

Those scriptures DO NOT REVEAL a man has Received Salvation....
So maybe you could take anyone of those verses and Highlight a man HAVING RECEIVED SALVATION and THEN LOST HIS SALVATION.

(2Pe 2:20) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

(2Pe 2:21) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

(2Pe 3:17) Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

(Eze 18:24) But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?
All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

(Eze 3:20-21) Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

(Gal 1:6) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

(Gal 4:9) But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

1Co_10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Heb_4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Heb_6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Jas_5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

2Pe_1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

2Pe_3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Rev_2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

 

[GEN2REV]

There’s a few scriptures that show that man can indeed nullify the gift:

Luke 12:45-46
Romans 11:20-23
1 Corinthians 9:27
Colossians 1:21-23
Hebrews 10:26-27

But I suspect that these scriptures were taken away from you:

“then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts.” (Luke 8:12)

Don't forget:
John 15:2
John 15:6

They are those IN CHRIST, those who are SAVED. There's no other way to translate that - that's why nobody here will touch those verses.

Isn't it interesting how much these naysayers' strategies resemble the same strategies as Covid naysayers?

If a man is lost, he was never saved then.

If somebody dies within 2 weeks after receiving the Covid injection, they never had the injection to begin with.

Crazy all the similarities you can find among those who work together to bury and silence Truth.

Thing is: Truth can never be put away. Jesus IS the Truth. Nothing can extinguish His Fire.

 

[ScottA]

"But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared."

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do."