"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[ScottA]

As pertains to this topic (and all of scripture)...

This idea of "rightly dividing" the word of truth, has its origins from the beginning-- where God made them "male and female."

If we consider the mystery of marriage ordained by God and revealed to Paul during his time and ministry, this is the divide that exists that is made One again only in the marriage of the bride and the Bridegroom, which is between we who are His, and Jesus the Son of God.

It is the written word up until the spiritual wedding making those who are in Christ One with Him and with the Father (as He prayed), that Paul counsels and instructs, that should be rightly divided or cut according to the righteousness of God between the flesh and the Spirit, which was "first natural" in the case of Israel, of whom Christ was the Last born unto death without possibility of salvation without the shedding of blood, and "afterward the spirit" in the case of those born [again] of the spirit of God after Christ paid the price and ascended to the Father, of whom Jesus was the First.

However, just as the mystery of marriage (and before that, divorce) remained a mystery until it pleased God to reveal it, these truths that have always been evident in the scriptures have not fully been understood nor heeded, but have suffered the false teachings of men for millennia.

“All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given." "He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”

 

[Keiw]

The problem is, you are explaining away the counsel for "rightly dividing" that one truth...as if to say, No, the sword of Christ only has one side.

So, yes, one truth. But, we have been counseled to "cut" it "correctly", or there are grave consequences. Matthew 24:51 And if you persist, you persist against "the whole counsel of God." Acts 20:27

Yes the bible is a 2 edged sword, but still only has 1 truth.

 

[Taken]

Yes the bible is a 2 edged sword, but still only has 1 truth.

One truth, with consideration of division.
One truth, IS Gods Word IS Truth.
One truth, IS Wicked men’s word IS Truth.

God Divides His Truth from Wicked men’s Truths.

God Divides MEN;
Men who BELIEVE Gods TRUTH...
FROM
Men who BELIEVE men’s TRUTHS...

 

[Keiw]

One truth, with consideration of division.
One truth, IS Gods Word IS Truth.
One truth, IS Wicked men’s word IS Truth.

God Divides His Truth from Wicked men’s Truths.

God Divides MEN;
Men who BELIEVE Gods TRUTH...
FROM
Men who BELIEVE men’s TRUTHS...

Gods truth is the only truth, mens truths are false twisted truths, thus not truth. One cannot call false words truth and be correct. There really is no sense even speaking on this.

 

[Taken]

Gods truth is the only truth, mens truths are false twisted truths, thus not truth. One cannot call false words truth and be correct. There really is no sense even speaking on this.

Nonsense.
Absolutely God has His Truth.
Certainly men have their own truths.

A mans truth can be he likes chocolate and hates peas.
So what?
Does that in any way, shape or form disagree with, or go against Gods Truth?
No.

Gods Truth IS, He is the Creator and Maker.
A mans truth, can be, he doesn’t know what God IS.
Can that be true, a man doesn’t KNOW? Of course.

Isn’t it true there was a time the disciples DID NOT KNOW WHO Jesus was?
Isn’t it true the naturally born and DO NOT KNOW WHO God IS?

 

[Keiw]

Nonsense.
Absolutely God has His Truth.
Certainly men have their own truths.

A mans truth can be he likes chocolate and hates peas.
So what?
Does that in any way, shape or form disagree with, or go against Gods Truth?
No.

Gods Truth IS, He is the Creator and Maker.
A mans truth, can be, he doesn’t know what God IS.
Can that be true, a man doesn’t KNOW? Of course.

Isn’t it true there was a time the disciples DID NOT KNOW WHO Jesus was?
Isn’t it true the naturally born and DO NOT KNOW WHO God IS?

The apostles never served a trinity God.

 

[Taken]

The apostles never served a trinity God.

Disagree.
The Apostles served (Believed) and worked (Preached), The Heavenly Father and Holy Son and the Holy Spirit (power) of God.

 

[Taken]

Yes the bible is a 2 edged sword, but still only has 1 truth.

The double-edge sword by default Divides with one stroke.
There is a division between Gods truth and mans truth.
There is a division between Gods truth and Gods truth....of how it applies to individuals.

Men ARE divided;
Men who believe (Gods truth), Men who believe (mans truth)
Gods truth does not become mans truth.
Mans truth does not become Gods truth.

Israelites are Israelites ... Gentiles are Gentiles.
Israelites do not become Gentiles.
Gentiles do not become Israelites.

The big picture is Gods offering, to MAKE his Creations, become MADE, by His Power, eternally anew, in Gods Likeness...wholly, whole and holy;
Body, soul, spirit, mind, thought, word...adopted sons; WITH Him;
Lord God Almighty; forever.

 

[Keiw]

Disagree.
The Apostles served (Believed) and worked (Preached), The Heavenly Father and Holy Son and the Holy Spirit (power) of God.

Paul taught over and over the Father is Jesus' God. He wouldnt contradict himself-Dogmas contradict him-- 1Cor 15:24-28, 1Cor 8:6--2cor 1:3--2Cor11:31--Collosians 1:3--Ephesians 1:13,17--1Peter 1:3--

 

[Keiw]

The double-edge sword by default Divides with one stroke.
There is a division between Gods truth and mans truth.
There is a division between Gods truth and Gods truth....of how it applies to individuals.

Men ARE divided;
Men who believe (Gods truth), Men who believe (mans truth)
Gods truth does not become mans truth.
Mans truth does not become Gods truth.

Israelites are Israelites ... Gentiles are Gentiles.
Israelites do not become Gentiles.
Gentiles do not become Israelites.

The big picture is Gods offering, to MAKE his Creations, become MADE, by His Power, eternally anew, in Gods Likeness...wholly, whole and holy;
Body, soul, spirit, mind, thought, word...adopted sons; WITH Him;
Lord God Almighty; forever.

Impossible to be holy when they serve a false god. Jesus warned all about the God they serve, then told all the Fathers will. I dont see Father, son and holy spirit there.-John 4:22-24

 

[Taken]

Paul taught over and over the Father is Jesus' God. He wouldnt contradict himself-Dogmas contradict him-- 1Cor 15:24-28, 1Cor 8:6--2cor 1:3--2Cor11:31--Collosians 1:3--Ephesians 1:13,17--1Peter 1:3--

So? Who is saying the divided, separated, cast off are WITH God?

 

[Taken]

Impossible to be holy when they serve a false god. Jesus warned all about the God they serve, then told all the Fathers will. I dont see Father, son and holy spirit there.-John 4:22-24

Father, Son, Holy Spirit IS omnipresent.
Omnipresent does not mean WITH those who reject Him.
Divide is in process, of those WITH and without God.
Patience;
Eternal Separation of those WITH and without God, coming soon.

 

[Keiw]

Father, Son, Holy Spirit IS omnipresent.
Omnipresent does not mean WITH those who reject Him.
Divide is in process, of those WITH and without God.
Patience;
Eternal Separation of those WITH and without God, coming soon.

So what you are saying is you outright refuse to believe Jesus. Not a wise place to stand.

 

[ScottA]

Yes the bible is a 2 edged sword, but still only has 1 truth.

That does not explain the issue or the meaning of "rightly dividing the word of truth." See post #1301. Here:

"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

 

[Keiw]

That does not explain the issue or the meaning of "rightly dividing the word of truth." See post #1301. Here:

"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

Yes only for those living now to do Jesus Fathers will. Matt 7:21-- 22-23 believe they have eternal life as well but Jesus will tell them different. Any who practice a sin( work iniquity)

 

[ScottA]

Yes only for those living now to do Jesus Fathers will. Matt 7:21-- 22-23 believe they have eternal life as well but Jesus will tell them different. Any who practice a sin( work iniquity)

That's two different issues.

1) There is the issue of "rightly dividing the word of truth", which refers to who what passages refer to, whether to the sons of the first Adam (of the flesh), or whether to the sons of the Last Adam and those born of the spirit of God.

2) And then you mention also the issue of sin regarding salvation, which must also be "rightly divided." Because it is the flesh that lives by the law of sin, but not the spirit of God. Thus, it is only the flesh and those who live by it who actually "practice" sin. But those born of the spirit of God are of the spirit, and therefore do not practice sin, but rather do contend with sin--just as God does. Which does not mean a loss of salvation for God or for those who are born of Him and in Him.

If the flesh and the spirit were not two different bodies, there would be no need for "rightly dividing" what is different and true of each. But they are different.

"There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." 1 Corinthians 15:44​

 

[Keiw]

That's two different issues.

1) There is the issue of "rightly dividing the word of truth", which refers to who what passages refer to, whether to the sons of the first Adam (of the flesh), or whether to the sons of the Last Adam and those born of the spirit of God.

2) And then you mention also the issue of sin regarding salvation, which must also be "rightly divided." Because it is the flesh that lives by the law of sin, but not the spirit of God. Thus, it is only the flesh and those who live by it who actually "practice" sin. But those born of the spirit of God are of the spirit, and therefore do not practice sin, but rather do contend with sin--just as God does. Which does not mean a loss of salvation for God or for those who are born of Him and in Him.

If the flesh and the spirit were not two different bodies, there would be no need for "rightly dividing" what is different and true of each. But they are different.

"There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." 1 Corinthians 15:44​

God disguised many things in his written word. The housed ivided that will not stand twist it all into oblivion because they do not have the Holy spirit. The one religion Jesus is with-1Cor 1:10) proves it is 1, has the holy spirit.

 

[Taken]

So what you are saying is
you outright refuse to believe Jesus. Not a wise place to stand.

Why so sneaky and deceptive?
If I had said something so stupid, you could have quoted me!

 

[Enoch111]

The apostles never served a trinity God.

Another Anti-Trinitarian has come out of the woodwork. Did Thomas say to Jesus "My Lord, and MY GOD!" That already shows two divine persons in the Godhead! Then did Peter say that lying to the Holy Ghost was the same as lying to God? Well that makes THREE divine persons in the Godhead. Did John write that there are three that bear witness in Heaven -- the Father, the Word (Christ), and the Holy Spirit, and that these three are one? So you can see that the apostles served the triune Godhead and had no problem with it.

 

[Keiw]

Another Anti-Trinitarian has come out of the woodwork. Did Thomas say to Jesus "My Lord, and MY GOD!" That already shows two divine persons in the Godhead! Then did Peter say that lying to the Holy Ghost was the same as lying to God? Well that makes THREE divine persons in the Godhead. Did John write that there are three that bear witness in Heaven -- the Father, the Word (Christ), and the Holy Spirit, and that these three are one? So you can see that the apostles served the triune Godhead and had no problem with it.

Jesus said the one who sent him is-THE ONLY TRUE GOD-John 17:3 and the Father sent Jesus.
The holy spirit was a go between. God was seeking the answer. The holy spirit isnt a person.
The JW teachers were allowed in the catholic archives and found proof- the catholic Jerusalem bible-says-The water, spirit and blood are the 3 that bear witness in 1John5:7-- there is no trinity God. The new catholic encyclopedia says the appostles had no clue of a trinity God.