ScottA
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Addressing #3Scott click to open to read all of it I answered in your quote.
Again, you contradict scripture, saying "THAT BODY", when Paul has made it clear it "Is not that body."
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Addressing #3Scott click to open to read all of it I answered in your quote.
Addressing #4Scott click to open to read all of it I answered in your quote.
thans for the response, #1. you said, "Still, you have admitted that Jesus has transformed to be as the Father, which is spirit". again you're missing what I have said. the Lord Jesus did not transform himself, but the body he dwelled in was transformed. spirits don't transform, they can be tranform. understand Scott that body that temple, that tabernacle is a tent or a covering for the spirit.Addressing #2
I do follow what you are saying and do understand the scriptures. Still, you have admitted that Jesus has transformed to be as the Father, which is spirit. But have held to your idea of flesh and bone, indicating that He has not. This is a contradiction.
Even if you were to say that Christ still exists in flesh and bone in the world within those who are His, this does not fit the biblical description of "Christ in me", which is in spirit and not flesh and bone. Furthermore, that would be limited to this old world which is passing away...and would not fit the biblical description of "Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever."
not that body of flesh and BLOOD, but that body resurrected without BLOOD. see now?. understand Scott a resurrected body is simply a body dominated by the Spirit. meaning it have no limitations. and the Lord Jesus have "THAT KIND of BODY NOW". he's the first-fruit with a body. notice John was in the Spirit, but even in the Spirit the Lord Jesus TOUCHED him, Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last". now Scott this was in the Spirit.Addressing #3
Again, you contradict scripture, saying "THAT BODY", when Paul has made it clear it "Is not that body."
Addressing #5Scott click to open to read all of it I answered in your quote.
As I said, there is no place on some cosmic map that says "You are here" regarding the kingdom of God. That kind of thinking is of the world which exists in outer darkness. "Eye has not seen" the where there, for it is in God.Scott, thanks for the response, but a question to your reply where do the kingdom of God come from?,
Ecclesiastes 12:7thans for the response, #1. you said, "Still, you have admitted that Jesus has transformed to be as the Father, which is spirit". again you're missing what I have said. the Lord Jesus did not transform himself, but the body he dwelled in was transformed. spirits don't transform, they can be tranform. understand Scott that body that temple, that tabernacle is a tent or a covering for the spirit.
second, yes, I have held to the flesh and bone transformed, I haven't changed. now if you have any verse that say different posted it.
That is not at all the point. But rather that those who are in Christ have died to the flesh and have been born again of the spirit of God. Again, you are mixing the two, as they are mixed in the world, but not in the kingdom. "Flesh" "cannot inherit the kingdom of God."next you said, "Even if you were to say that Christ still exists in flesh and bone in the world within those who are His, this does not fit the biblical description of "Christ in me". YES it do, Christ is a Spirit that have a body, scripture, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his". did you get that?, the spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ. the Spirit of Christ is GOD. see your mistake. now tell us Scott is there two Spirit, and notice the capital "S" in both Spirits.
You are assuming the current body of Jesus is a body of flesh without blood, and doing so against the scriptures: "Flesh" "cannot inherit the kingdom of God." "The flesh returns to dust"not that body of flesh and BLOOD, but that body resurrected without BLOOD. see now?. understand Scott a resurrected body is simply a body dominated by the Spirit. meaning it have no limitations. and the Lord Jesus have "THAT KIND of BODY NOW". he's the first-fruit with a body. notice John was in the Spirit, but even in the Spirit the Lord Jesus TOUCHED him, Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last". now Scott this was in the Spirit.
first thanks for the response, but ERROR on your part. you said, "This indicates no glorification of the flesh, but rather a discarding of it, in the process of being "raised" above this earthly plain". not of the flesh BUT IN IT, scripture, Acts 2:31 "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption". so you can't use that excuse. try again.Ecclesiastes 12:7
"Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it."
This indicates no glorification of the flesh, but rather a discarding of it, in the process of being "raised" above this earthly plain. Remember, Jesus "lowered" Himself, and has "returned" to the Father whom is spirit. Nonetheless, by the above scripture, it is obvious that you are mixing the fate of that which is "born of water", with that which is "born of the spirit of God." The scripture indicates a complete separation of the two.
Oh yes, that is the point, and 2 I'm not mixing nothing. we have the earnest of the Spirit now, while in vile flesh. and 3. if you think just because you're born again (of the Spirit) you have died to the flesh, and still living in this world, I suggest you read this, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us". that's why we have an intercessor, a Glorified man, an advocate. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". Jesus Christ the righteous?, let's see who this is, 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". not the spirit christ Jesus, but the man Christ Jesus. one more for sure, Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one". that's that Spirit who have a body, final proof, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily”. WAIT A MINUTE THE GODHEAD HAVE A BODY.That is not at all the point. But rather that those who are in Christ have died to the flesh and have been born again of the spirit of God. Again, you are mixing the two, as they are mixed in the world, but not in the kingdom. "Flesh" "cannot inherit the kingdom of God."
Scott, it never saw corruption. Acts 2:31 "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption". it didn't turn to dust.You are assuming the current body of Jesus is a body of flesh without blood, and doing so against the scriptures: "Flesh" "cannot inherit the kingdom of God." "The flesh returns to dust"
You are also referring to His body after He rose from the dead, but before He ascended (changed). As He said, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father."
Now you are mixing what was true of Israel (the dead in Christ) who were not born again of the spirit of God, with the gentiles who have been born again. During those days, there were both - and you have not rightly divided the word.first thanks for the response, but ERROR on your part. you said, "This indicates no glorification of the flesh, but rather a discarding of it, in the process of being "raised" above this earthly plain". not of the flesh BUT IN IT, scripture, Acts 2:31 "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption". so you can't use that excuse. try again.
Oh yes, that is the point, and 2 I'm not mixing nothing. we have the earnest of the Spirit now, while in vile flesh. and 3. if you think just because you're born again (of the Spirit) you have died to the flesh, and still living in this world, I suggest you read this, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us". that's why we have an intercessor, a Glorified man, an advocate. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". Jesus Christ the righteous?, let's see who this is, 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". not the spirit christ Jesus, but the man Christ Jesus. one more for sure, Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one". that's that Spirit who have a body, final proof, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily”. WAIT A MINUTE THE GODHEAD HAVE A BODY.
you have been reproved.
You misunderstand the passage. You cannot have it both ways. He "lowered" Himself and borne "the sins of the world."Scott, it never saw corruption. Acts 2:31 "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption". it didn't turn to dust.
I have answered you by scripture
now what about my post in #1286
Again: "There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."understand Scott God is a Spirit with a body. now I'll be out for a few, but until then please address, Luke 24:50 "And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven". so please tell us how is a spirit is carried up to heaven?. but remember he's already given his spirit to the FATHER, so what and how was it carried up.
It is not I who speak, but the Holy Spirit.Scott you can't have it both ways. now, and he rose which is a basic foundation of the CHRISTIAN FAITH.
you said, "So, we can say that He did not commit any sin or corruption. But that is not what the passage refers to, but rather that He did not see [death]. His end was not death, but life".
NO WE CAN"T SAY THAT LET THE BIBLE SAY, 1 Peter 2:21 "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:22 "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth". so Scott, just say what the scripture say. don't add to or take away from the word.
now you have been reproved again, now what about mu post 1286