Sanctified by the BLOOD

[justbyfaith]

I know it's crazy we were shoveling in as fast a you were shoveling out.

What is it you believe we enter in to?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm not sure I understand your question.

I fair enough, do you believe we enter in to Christ?
The reason I ask is because I know you've post before,,, there is no sin in Him?

 

[justbyfaith]

Let's try this again.

Now, @Behold,

I do think that our abiding is done in faith and not by attempting to live a life that is free from the practice of sin.

However, I also believe that the result of truly abiding is that a man will "sin not" (1 John 3:6);

and also, if a man is born of God, he "doth not" and "cannot" commit sin (1 John 3:9).

Therefore, if I find myself living in a lifestyle of sin, it would be a proper conclusion to believe that I am not born again, nor abiding in the new birth that God has given me.

What would you say is the solution to such a thing?

1) Are we to just deny that we actually sinned, in order that we might continue to believe that we are truly born again?

Or,

2) ought we to begin to seek the Lord, that He might deal with the sin that has overtaken us as we lay it before the Cross?

The answer that is obviously correct is 2).

But it appears that @Behold is attempting to teach 1).

 

[Waiting on him]

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Maybe this will help?

 

[justbyfaith]

I fair enough, do you believe we enter in to Christ?
The reason I ask is because I know you've post before,,, there is no sin in Him?

Positionally we have no sin if we are in Christ. For the Father looks down on us and sees the blood.

However, this does not change the fact that we have indwelling sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Maybe this will help?

Is this to say that we have no indwelling sin if we are in Christ?

 

[Waiting on him]

The answer that is obviously correct is 2).

But it appears that @Behold is attempting to teach 1).

So does Christ secure what has entered, I believe this is what @marks was attempting to convey in his thread the old man and new man?

 

[Waiting on him]

Is this to say that we have no indwelling sin if we are in Christ?

What enters in?

 

[justbyfaith]

What does this line of reasoning have to do with the questions that I have asked in the post here:

Sanctified by the BLOOD

Let's try this again.

Now, @Behold,

I do think that our abiding is done in faith and not by attempting to live a life that is free from the practice of sin.

However, I also believe that the result of truly abiding is that a man will "sin not" (1 John 3:6);

and also, if a man is born of God, he "doth not" and "cannot" commit sin (1 John 3:9).

Therefore, if I find myself living in a lifestyle of sin, it would be a proper conclusion to believe that I am not born again, nor abiding in the new birth that God has given me.

What would you say is the solution to such a thing?

1) Are we to just deny that we actually sinned, in order that we might continue to believe that we are truly born again?

Or,

2) ought we to begin to seek the Lord, that He might deal with the sin that has overtaken us as we lay it before the Cross?

 

[justbyfaith]

What enters in?

I don't know what you are referring to.

 

[Waiting on him]

The new creature created/born of God has no indwelling sin.

 

[Waiting on him]

I don't know what you are referring to.

The old man doesn't get passage,
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 KJV
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[justbyfaith]

The new creature created/born of God has no indwelling sin.

Where, then, does indwelling sin reside?

 

[Waiting on him]

Where, then, does indwelling sin reside?

Crucified!

 

[justbyfaith]

Crucified!

What I've been saying all along.

 

[justbyfaith]

It still exists in the believer; but it is rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8).

 

[justbyfaith]

Let's try this again.

Now, @Behold,

I do think that our abiding is done in faith and not by attempting to live a life that is free from the practice of sin.

However, I also believe that the result of truly abiding is that a man will "sin not" (1 John 3:6);

and also, if a man is born of God, he "doth not" and "cannot" commit sin (1 John 3:9).

Therefore, if I find myself living in a lifestyle of sin, it would be a proper conclusion to believe that I am not born again, nor abiding in the new birth that God has given me.

What would you say is the solution to such a thing?

1) Are we to just deny that we actually sinned, in order that we might continue to believe that we are truly born again?

Or,

2) ought we to begin to seek the Lord, that He might deal with the sin that has overtaken us as we lay it before the Cross?

 

[Waiting on him]

It still exists in the believer; but it is rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8).

I agree, and here's why, the mind is renewed in Christ, and as I await my members to perform what this renewed mind is counciling, I await with faith a fruit of the Spirit given that He has me secured.

And it's as good as done.

 

[Waiting on him]

Because He says He'll perform it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sanctified by the Blood. "Jesus is become our Sanctification, Justification, Redemption"...
Once a Saint, never again a sinner.
Always the Righteousness of God.

"where sin abounds, Grace more abounds".

Paraphrase, .. When God saved you, He new your future. He already SAW all the "sin" (works of the flesh) you would do later, and He saved you anyway.
Why?
Because there is no sin "in Christ".
God knows that the Blood of Christ, that is God's Gift of Sanctification, is always in PROCESS, its always WORKING.
It never stops keeping us CLEAN and RIGHTEOUS.
= The blood that saved you, KEEPS YOU SAVED".
= Eternal Security
= Once SAVED by the blood, you are always saved by the BLOOD..

The religious person, the self savor, the Legalist, the heretic.... cannot believe that all our future carnal deeds (sin, works of the Flesh) are always dealt with by the Blood.
This is why "repenting" from "dead works".... is to be a baby minded believer..... and Paul said we are to GROW UP in our Maturity of Understanding about this issue of "sin" and "repenting".....and get past that, in our Theology and Faith. Hebrews 6
There is no SIN found in the Blood of Jesus, and the Blood of Jesus is always applied to us. = Born Again.

Its not a case of....>"ok, i sinned, now im lost again,... or, im in broken fellowship and i need to REPENT to Get GOD to RE-CLEANSE me with the BLOOD".

How crazy is that type of thinking. ???????

This person thinks..........""""I need a new blood bath God, i sinned that same sin again, and thats the 56th time this month, so, can you send Jesus back to the Cross for me again if i repent again and again and again and again"? "i need a blood bath do-over".

See, that is the carnal minded theology of the baby believer who does not yet SEE that Jesus entered into the Holy Place with His BLOOD = ONE TIME, and "Obtained eternal redemption for us, = ONCE AND FOR ALL"..
= ALL. Colossians 2:13. "ALL sin is GONE".

Our flesh does not want to receive this Truth. Our flesh wants to play a part in God's Salvation. Our FLESH wants to say.>"well, my part is... I do this and i do that, and i keep doing that, and commandments and enduring, and ME ME ME ME, what i DO DO DO DO...
And that self righteousness is not FAITH in CHRIST...... and GOD does not accept any of that self effort.
Cain tried it in Genesis, and got kicked out. Jude defines this carnal flesh head as committing the "error of CAIN".

God sees us always as IN CHRIST< and never does He see us OUT of Christ.
There is no sin found, "in Christ".

That's a nice thought - but it's NOT what the Bible teaches.

The Word of God makes it clear that we, as converted, born-again believers must cooperate with God's grace. This is why Paul uses the term "sunergos"/co-workers with God (1 Cor. 3:9, 2 Cor. 6:1). We ARE eternally secure as we cooperate with His saving grace. This doesn't mean that we save ourselves. God's love is unconditional - but salvation is NOT.

We are not free to live wicked lives after coming to Christ just because we "have been" saved. Salvation is a lifelong process.
As the Bible teaches - Christians are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it ALSO says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured in faith to the end.

If you are lost at sea and a boat comes along to save you - your ARE saved - as long qas you remain in the boat and reach land.
Jesus assures us that NOBODY can pluck us out of His hand (John 10:28) - and this is a fact. You CAN, however, leave by your OWN will - and Scripture warns us of this over and over (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

Just as the Father did not force his Prodigal son to stay - God is ALWAYS ready to receive us BACK if and when we stray away when we repent.
THAT is the good news - not that we're being coerced to stay where we don't want to. God give US the choice.