Science is bringing us closer than ever to proving God is real

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ScottA

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Except - you haven't shown any confusion about any of those things. Honest discourse calls for you to at least show evidence of confusion - assuming honesty is a Christian moral....
All you managed to do was pretend I was someone who demanded proof of your god - which is decidedly not true. An honest person would have simply asked the question - 'Are you one of those nasty Atheists that demands proof of my god?' Because if you had the integrity to do that, you would have learned what I had to tell after the fact of your gross assumption - that many Atheist/Secular Humanists are only asking for reasonable evidence. And so far, the best you can do is parrot this lame apologetic about the 'Woo' your religion came up with about hidden and limited 'evidence' that no doubt requires one to 'open their heart to the Holy Moly' in order to understand. Isn't that convenient?

In my 5+ decades of engaging Christians, I have seen the evolution of apologetics. It used to be "You're just not reading it right! If you did, you would learn the Truth!" Then the excuse became "You have to study the bible in its context!" But after showing that the correct context didn't magically make the ridiculous sensible, the excuse became.... "You'll never understand what we do because..... um..... Satan has darkened your evil, black heart!!"

And hey - credit where credit is due - that's an AWESOME excuse! Because it allows the Christian an escape from all the questions even their Pastors, Priests, and Ministers have no rational answer to - and demonize those of us making you so uncomfortable. It's almost as if your faith is so fragile that you have to either shout down any unbelievers - or run away.

Another part of the evolution of apologetics is the trend of progressive Christians to quietly cast aside any number of stories and claims because they simply could no longer look anyone in the eye and claim that Jonah living in a whale was anything more than metaphor - or justify their gods command to slaughter homosexuals, disobedient children, or women holding their babies.... while allowing its soldiers to keep all the virgins effectively as sex slaves. I see more Christians every day who no longer believe that the virgin birth, talking snakes and donkeys, the sun standing still, and many other claims - are literal. And of course they now have to deal with the 'real' Christians that chastise them as Heretics. And as much fun is it might be for me to see Christians spitting on each other - there's also a profound sadness that attends. :disappointed:
You expressed confusion about this "odd topic" (did you forget already?):

What an odd topic for Christians to be excited about. In my 55 years of engaging them, they have consistently made a few claims quite clear:

- God can never be proven by science.
- Faith is the only thing needed to believe things that are unproven.
- (corollary) If god were proven, faith would become unnecessary, thus diminishing the role of the church, as there would be no need to hear sermons about things that are now facts, instead of just faith-based claims that require constant reinforcement (and tithing).

I'm not sure the (very profitable) institutions of Christianity really want their god proven.... :contemplate:
 

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Well, instead of unscientific ranting, enter the conversation with your understanding of who/what placed FEAR in his heart to RUN
So, that's a 'no' to you being able to comprehend natural explanations. And that's a 'no' to you having any rational explanation for why your god ignores trillions of prayers. :gd
 

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You expressed confusion about this "odd topic" (did you forget already?):
There is no confusion about science in any post I have made. Or about proof. You decided to pretend I was someone that demanded proof of your god when that is not the case - which is at least disingenuous, if not down right dishonest. And I note the absence of any apology for your misrepresentation. Is apologizing not a Christian moral?

I expressed confusion as to why Christians have claimed no one can prove their god, but then get excited that science might prove their god. I readily admit being confused when Christians contradict themselves. A contradiction you have not even attempted to explain. Do you have any plans of doing that? Or do you need to create more strawmen to bash? :contemplate: