SovereignGrace
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You’re the epitome of James 1:8.Such half-truth, is not biblical. You take away what is written there of the Spirit, and of Christ during these times.
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You’re the epitome of James 1:8.Such half-truth, is not biblical. You take away what is written there of the Spirit, and of Christ during these times.
You said you were caught up. We say nooooo.Such half-truth, is not biblical. You take away what is written there of the Spirit, and of Christ during these times.
And this is your testimony...that you do not hear His voice. Which is obvious.Yet that was them attributing to Satan what the Christ did. God does not speak to us verbally today. Open your bible if you want to hear from Him.
This thread is the perfect example of how some ppl view the insufficiency of the Bible. They must have some sort of outside experience to aid the Bible. Not so. The Bible is sufficient to the believer.
Ya, ScottA LIFTS himself up as a Prophet & Apostle and when you challenge him on TAKING scriptures out of context & placing meaning on them that was not in the original scripture -- He gets offended and he says he is the voice of God!"ScottA,
[We often hear that the test of any comment or doctrine is scripture, and certainly it is a good test. It's just not the last word, nor is it the best test. Nor should it be considered our last line of defense. To do so, is to admit that we do not understand where we are in God's master plan of revelation, and that we do not have the Holy Spirit leading us unto all truth.
John 16:13
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.]"
Scott makes the common mistake on jn 16, that causes his error here;
25 These things have I spoken unto you, [The Apostles}
being yet present with you.{The Apostles]
We were not there. Only The Apostles were. Jesus had concluded His public ministry and was now speaking with the Apostles.
This thread is dealing with the topic of the Apostles and why they were unique and given promises and gifts that we do not receive.
This thread was never questioning the truth of God allowing believers to welcome truth, and grow in grace. That is obviously why we are given the Spirit of God.
That being said, there is no verse I know of that promises we are going to receive all truth as in special revelation as the Apostles were. There should not be any confusion on this.
There is no verse saying we the church are going to be "guided into ALL TRUTH".
Any "truth "we come to, is given by God . that is not the issue here at all.
There is something that makes the Apostles different from us.
All believers have the Spirit of God. Not all believers are Apostles.
There were signs of an Apostle;
12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things,[The Apostles]
and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
[ you the Apostles]
Jesus cannot bring to our remembrance what we did not hear Him teach when he was here on Earth.
Does the Spirit allow believers to welcome the truth of scripture? yes
Does the Spirit help us remember things, yes
However that is not what was being taught in Jn14, 15, 16.
Jn.15
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
This is addressed to the Apostles;
mk 3:14
14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,
jn16;
4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
Again, THE APOSTLES...
jn16;
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Jesus is clear that He has many additional truths to teach to the Apostles, but they could not welcome these things until the Spirit allowed them to.
This is not spoken to the church, but the Apostles. He was speaking and teaching THEM audibly.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
This again is spoken directly to the Apostles, not everyone.
We can learn things based on what they wrote, but not one of us, is "guided into all truth".
We can learn truth from what they wrote, yes. But we are not promised to be guided into ALL TRUTH as they were.
Every false teacher pulls verse 13 out of the gospel of jn and adds 1jn 2:27 to explain why they are guided into all truth...NOT
And this is your testimony of you saying that there is a limit to the things of God. Apparently, this is what you believe.This thread is the perfect example of how some ppl view the insufficiency of the Bible. They must have some sort of outside experience to aid the Bible. Not so. The Bible is sufficient to the believer.
To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them outThis is why 'Scripture alone' is so important.
"He has spoken to me…" is not from God (including the chuckling); it is from the deceitfulness of your own heart.
And who are any of us to deny his testimony? If you don't believe it that is you, but only God can know the truth [or not] of his words. Unless you have had a personal revelation from God yourself, how can you deny the revelation of anyone else?He said he was taken up in the Spirit. He’s saying he’s on level with Paul and John.
He was taken up in the spirits is more like it.
#Hic
What are you saying then for here we see where the devil had also been reading the Bible which he even quoted to Jesus:You are 100% we know nothing of you. But what we do know is God speaks to us via His word, the Bible. If I want to hear from Him, I open my bible and read.
You are the liar Scott, you falsely accuse me of lies. You twist scriptures & you are here to self promote and elevate yourself as a Prophet.Classic lies and false testimony.
You can claim anything you want but we are not following these falsehoods.It is my testimony that you know nothing of me, God knows. But you, you speak against the Spirit.
Scott A is sounding like the guy who wanted the 39 people to go to the comet.Yet that was them attributing to Satan what the Christ did. God does not speak to us verbally today. Open your bible if you want to hear from Him.
Lolzzz...the "press on" passage is not even CLOSE to the same category as 2 John 1:9. Since you cannot make that simple distinction it shows how easily you run off into heresy and error. And you are off into both and are self deceived.If you were at all correct, you would have to include Paul who said, "press on."
But, no, it is therefore you who "goes on ahead" against and not "abiding in the teaching, the same hath both the Father and the Son."
This is why 'Scripture alone' is so important.
"He has spoken to me…" is not from God (including the chuckling); it is from the deceitfulness of your own heart.
That's not what he said, not even close. Complete category error and false accusation. Make you feel good, champ?
You're an expert at distorting what others say in order to glorify you. You love some glorifying you. Big time.
It gives us good reason, does it not, for believing that a person reading even the very scriptures without the Holy Spirit might as well be reading the Encyclopedia Britannica.Says you......who has obviously never heard the voice of the Lord out side of reading the bible.
You are the liar Scott, you falsely accuse me of lies. You twist scriptures & you are here to self promote and elevate yourself as a Prophet.
You are not God Scott.
God is complete and HE doesn't need the likes of false teachers, and false prophets such as yourself to arrogantly claim that you speak for HIM.
Your testimony is clear. You attempt to tear down what you do not understand, just as those who killed the prophets of old.You want status as all false teachers, false prophets.