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[Brakelite]

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• 1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.

It never seems to fail that sooner or later some clever sniper comes along
who actually attempts to shoot Paul's instructions out of the water by
quoting one of his statements from elsewhere.

"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were
baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew
nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ
Jesus." (Gal 3:26-28)

They pit Paul against Paul in a clash of the Titans, only in this event, both
Titans are one and the same Titan. Yes, Christ is but one man's body rather
than many bodies, and everyone in his body-- regardless of their gender,
their race, and/or their socio-economic status --constitutes his one body;
but then Jesus and God are one also, yet there is a hierarchy in the Divinity
because "the head of Christ is God"

• Gen 2:18 . .The Lord God said: It's not good for Adam to be solitary; I will
make a fitting helper for him.

The word for "helper" is from 'ezer (ay'-zer) which means: aid.

In other words: woman's true role is a supporting role rather than a leading
role. Women who clamor for equality with men have set themselves against
God's purpose for their very existence.

Outsiders often criticize the Bible for its sexism. Yes, it most certainly is
sexist, no doubt about it; but what's so bad about sexism when it was God
who established the position of the first-born is superior to the position of
the second.

• 1Tim 2:12-13 . . I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority
over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
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I don't remember Jane presuming to have authority over you. She simply stated a fact, possibly repeating that which is taught in scripture, and taught by her male elders...that youtube is not a source of biblical truth...Scripture is.

 

[Brakelite]

So. Go to youtube to find out if Seventh Day Adventists are Christians. that's actually quite hilarious.
And when they shall say unto you, "Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Isaiah 8:19,20.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

So. Go to youtube to find out if Seventh Day Adventists are Christians. that's actually quite hilarious.
And when they shall say unto you, "Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Isaiah 8:19,20.

It is amazing how often the people seek the world’s answers, rather than seeking God’s. Especially when they have a prideful agenda.

 

[Brakelite]

It is amazing how often the people seek the world’s answers, rather than seeking God’s. Especially when they have a prideful agenda.

I'm not so sure its pride, perhaps rather a desperation to defend ones own suppositions having no Biblical foundation for them.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I'm not so sure its pride, perhaps rather a desperation to defend ones own suppositions having no Biblical foundation for them.

In my eyes, trying to defend your suppositions you just because you want to be right is indeed pride. Rather, we learn and grow through humility.

 

[Cassandra]

I highly recommend that if you would happen to Sin, Do the same thing with it that God does—- put it on the Cross.....and leave it there....

God will Chastise you for Sinning if you are one of His Children.... But speaking from a Heavenly perspective , all of your sins are already
forgiven even before you ask...God has thrown them into the deepest depths of the ocean as far as the East is from the West.....a place where He “ Remembers them no more”.....As a Believer ,I can’t go to Hell for any sin I commit and guess what? Surprise! Knowing THAT is my incentive to not sin... ain’t Christianity “crazy?” It is......in the best interpretation of that word.... Christianity sure ain’t what ALL of the World and even most “ Christians” think that it is..I know the Truth—- it has set me free....just like promised.....

The Lord asks us to daily pray for the forgiveness of our sins.
"Forgive us our trespasses..."
One has to ask for forgiveness.

 

[JesusFan1]

Jesus's death on Calvary covered every possible avenue for condemnation and accusation. From sins of ignorance to peace offerings to full atonement. Perfect love casts out fear.
As for the investigative judgement. Books and long intensive Bible studies have been written to help people understand this topic. Not all adventists do. And I don't know any who could, in a few short succinct posts that would capture the readers attention beyond his normal capacity sufficiently to give a clear picture of this very real biblical truth. Even your own personal prophetic hermeneutic will cripple your ability to appreciate and understand it even at a base level. And the debate would start from the very first verse one would offer...
KJV Daniel 8:14
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Ellen White stated that you shall have no Jesus as Mediator, and that to pass your life must confirm to the demands of the law as well as his did! NONE shall pass that kind of judgement!

 

[Behold]

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Prior to making a decision whether to take up the Seventh Day Adventist
religion,
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Well, you have a choice.
You can "take up a religion", such as SDA, or you can be born again and be a disciple of Christ.

Its up to you, really.

I vote : no religion.

 

[JesusFan1]

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If Jehovah's Witnesses believed the Bible said differently from what the
Watchtower Society teaches, they would sever their association with the
Watchtower Society.

If Seventh Day Adventists believed the Bible said differently from what Ellen
G. white teaches, they would sever their ties with Ellen G. White.

The thing is: most folks saying they believe the Bible are actually believing
their hierarchy's understanding of the Bible-- an understanding that may be
tainted with errors without the rank and file knowing it.
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indeed, as those who are into Mormonism, JW, Sda, Rome etc all are not following really what the scriptures are teaching on doctrines and theology, but what their Leaders do!

 

[JesusFan1]

Well, you have a choice.
You can "take up a religion", such as SDA, or you can be born again and be a disciple of Christ.

Its up to you, really.

I vote : no religion.

I vote accept the true Lord Jesus and have eternal life!

 

[JesusFan1]

@Webers_Home people aren't clones. You don't expect them to be clones in your pews and acknowledge that people do think differently about some theological points. You don't say "you are severed from association!" for that fact. It's hypocritical for you to hold a different judgment bar for other pews (like JW or SDA). It's extra ridiculous for you to do so based not on what SDA/JW believe themselves but what you think they believed based on what a Baptist told you (example Walter Martin). This same judgment of "understanding tainted with errors without the rank and file knowing it" is being brought down on yourself.

Let us treat people with respect (including SDA & JW & everyone else), listen to every person as an individual. Just like Christ reaches out to every sheep individually.

We are to earnestly contend for the true faith, and lds, Jw and Sda do not have the true Gospel!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

indeed, as those who are into Mormonism, JW, Sda, Rome etc all are not following really what the scriptures are teaching on doctrines and theology, but what their Leaders do!

We are to earnestly contend for the true faith, and lds, Jw and Sda do not have the true Gospel!

According to what Walter Martin tell you.
From personal experience I've seen you don't care as to the facts of how another person truly loves Christ & scripture if it conflicts with Martin's teaching.

 

[Webers_Home]

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you have no business thinking someone is a devil just because that person is
female.

Maybe some of the women I encounter are devils and maybe some of them
aren't, I don't know; but I am not allowed to give women the benefit of the
doubt. I must assume the worst about them.

Here's an example of a man who let his guard down:

• Gen 3:6d . . she took of its fruit and ate.

The important thing to note at this point, is that the woman was unaffected
by the fruit-- she experienced no ill side effects and went right on naked as
usual; feeling no shame about it whatsoever.

• Gen 3:6e . . She also gave some to her husband, and he ate.

I have to wonder why the husband followed his wife's lead and did
something he knew full well to be breaking God's edict and putting himself
at risk of death. Genesis doesn't reveal why Adam chose to eat the fruit. I
suppose he had his reasons, but apparently God didn't think they were
sufficient to excuse the man's mistake.

But I think Adam was cautious at first, and kept a wary eye on his wife for
some time waiting to see if she would get sick; and when she didn't, he
surely had to wonder if maybe he misunderstood God.

I think most husbands would sympathize with Adam. I mean: he was told by
a supposedly competent source that the forbidden tree was unfit for human
consumption. But here's his wife sitting right beside him happily munching
away and she's still healthy, lucid, and exhibiting no ill side effects. How is a
reasonable man supposed to argue with empirical evidence as good as that?

NOTE: 1Tim 2:14 is oftentimes used to allege that Adam wasn't tricked into
eating the fruit. But the trickery in that particular passage is related to the
Serpent. In other words: Adam wasn't fooled by the Devil, instead, he was
made a fool by his wife. In point of fact, God lowered the boom on Adam for
allowing his wife to lead him by the nose like a sheep to the slaughter; so to
speak.
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[Webers_Home]

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The apostle Paul's instructions relative to the practices and purposes of
Christian women didn't originate with himself. He was given what to teach
Jesus' followers by a higher power.

• 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of the Lord.

• 1Thess 4:1-2 . .We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by The Lord
Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please
God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments
we gave you by The Lord Jesus.

People who truly love The Lord will comply with the commandments that
Paul gave the churches by The Lord Jesus. Those who don't truly love The
Lord won't comply and will, in point of fact, attempt to circumvent his
instructions.
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• John 14:15 . . If you love me, you will comply with what I command.

• John 14:21 . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
who loves me.

• John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who
does not love me will not obey my teaching.

• John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do as I wish.

The man who wrote Gal 3:27-28 is the self-same man who penned 1Cor
11:5-10, 1Cor 14:34-35, and 1Tim 2:11-14. I'm always somewhat baffled
by people who quote Paul's writings to refute Paul's writings. It's a zero-sum
game that they play with scripture.

Paul is speaking of unity in Gal 3:27-28 while in places like 1Cor 14:34 and
1Tim 2:11-13 he's speaking of authority; and in matters of authority, there
is limited equality because somebody has to be the superior and somebody
has to be the subordinate.

Gender-wise among Christians, females are the designated subordinates. So
then, they have no God-given right to sit on a church board, nor to pastor a
church, nor to lead a mixed-gender adult Sunday school class. In point of
fact, the women in mixed-gender adult Sunday school classes aren't even so
much as permitted to open their mouths and participate in discussions.

• 1Cor 14:33-35 . . As in all the congregations of the saints, women should
remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in
submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they
should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to
speak in the church.

Now, in consideration of all that the Bible instructs relative to Christian
women, we must challenge Ellen G. White's followers by demanding that
they explain whence they obtained permission to allow a woman to be a
foremost guiding light in their religion.
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[JesusFan1]

According to what Walter Martin tell you.
From personal experience I've seen you don't care as to the facts of how another person truly loves Christ & scripture if it conflicts with Martin's teaching.

That command came to us from Jude, not Walter martin!

 

[JesusFan1]

According to what Walter Martin tell you.
From personal experience I've seen you don't care as to the facts of how another person truly loves Christ & scripture if it conflicts with Martin's teaching.

No, if it conflicts with the scriptures, as Lds, Jw and sda all do!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

That command came to us from Jude, not Walter martin!

I acknowledge you think that. But I simply do not find that to be true.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The Lord asks us to daily pray for the forgiveness of our sins.
"Forgive us our trespasses..."
One has to ask for forgiveness.


That was true under “ The Old Deal”—— That was the one that God did not like.....He “ Found fault in it” and that Plan got changed on this side off the Cross....

Since Christ Shed His Blood at that Cross our Sins are ALREADY FORGIVEN......it’s actually better than that—- they are “ Forgotten”....

Paul said that because of our New Deal, we must now view things like this—- “ Forgive each other, just as in Christ God FORGAVE you”....... it’s already a done deal....it is up to each individual to “ cash- in “ on this “ New and Better” Deal.....how does one accomplish this? Rest in the Gospel Of Grace .....Find it in 1Cor15:1-4......God Bless....

 

[Cassandra]

The Lord asks us to daily pray for the forgiveness of our sins.
"Forgive us our trespasses..."
One has to ask for forgiveness.


That was true under “ The Old Deal”—— That was the one that God did not like.....He “ Found fault in it” and that Plan got changed on this side off the Cross....

Since Christ Shed His Blood at that Cross our Sins are ALREADY FORGIVEN......it’s actually better than that—- they are “ Forgotten”....

Paul said that because of our New Deal, we must now view things like this—- “ Forgive each other, just as in Christ God FORGAVE you”....... it’s already a done deal....it is up to each individual to “ cash- in “ on this “ New and Better” Deal.....how does one accomplish this? Rest in the Gospel Of Grace .....Find it in 1Cor15:1-4......God Bless....

What I quoted is part of the Lord's Prayer. The Lord's Prayer is not under the old deal.

I don't do OSAS. Sorry. When I do wrong, I have to ask for forgiveness, as we are told to. You go ahead and sin and say Oh well--I'm gonna say Sorry. God forgets the sins when we repented but He knows we will fall. That is why we have a High Priest in Jesus.

 

[JesusFan1]

I acknowledge you think that. But I simply do not find that to be true.

Jude was the one that commanded me to contend for the faith!