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When the church started in Acts 2, three thousand were added to the church after Peter told them to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins.
The crowd that Peter was preaching to was a Jewish Crowd....they had just recently crucified Jesus for what they thought was blasphemy —— and it WAS just that unless Jesus was Who He claimed to be to be—— the Son Of God.
After Peter preached, many in the crowd went on to do the thing that saved them.....they “ changed their mind” about who Jesus was......had they not changed their mind ( True Repentance, from the Greek Word “ metanoia” which literarily means “ mind change”) and turned from UNbelievers to Believers, they could not have been saved that day that Peter preached.....there were probably many in the crowd who remained “ stiff necked” or Unrepentant that day and returned to their homes lost.......Lost because they did not change their mind , or on other words, Repent in regard as to what they thought of Jesus....
One is not saved unless they have the Holy Spirit....they got that Spirit the moment that they changed their mind about Jesus and Believed.....They were Saved People that had already received the Holy Spirit—— here is your proof—-Acts 10:47. “ These people have *RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT* ( thus proving they were already saved) can anybody forbid them from water so that they might be baptized”.......
Baptism is a rite for the Saved, an outer showing of what has taken place inwardly .....it doe not Save....I have just proved that as always, it is the BELIEVING that Saves.....baptism is something for the ALREADY SAVED to do...if one has Turned ( another definition of “ repentance) from Unbelief in Jesus to an actual Belief in Jesus he has done all the “ repenting” that he ever needs to do to get Saved.....Get baptized to celebrate that fact ! It should be a joyous occasion for anybody that is already Saved......
“ BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ and be Saved”...... nothing about baptism there....nothing about “ repenting FROM SINS “ in there......change your mind about who Jesus is and why you need a Him....THAT is ‘ what is in there” ....THAT is the True, Biblical Repentance That Saves.....Baptism is kinda like “ icing on the cake”.....May God bless us all in the understanding of these things,,,,
The crowd that Peter was preaching to was a Jewish Crowd....they had just recently crucified Jesus for what they thought was blasphemy —— and it WAS just that unless Jesus was Who He claimed to be to be—— the Son Of God.
After Peter preached, many in the crowd went on to do the thing that saved them.....they “ changed their mind” about who Jesus was......had they not changed their mind ( True Repentance, from the Greek Word “ metanoia” which literarily means “ mind change”) and turned from UNbelievers to Believers, they could not have been saved that day that Peter preached.....there were probably many in the crowd who remained “ stiff necked” or Unrepentant that day and returned to their homes lost.......Lost because they did not change their mind , or on other words, Repent in regard as to what they thought of Jesus....
One is not saved unless they have the Holy Spirit....they got that Spirit the moment that they changed their mind about Jesus and Believed.....They were Saved People that had already received the Holy Spirit—— here is your proof—-Acts 10:47. “ These people have *RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT* ( thus proving they were already saved) can anybody forbid them from water so that they might be baptized”.......
Baptism is a rite for the Saved, an outer showing of what has taken place inwardly .....it doe not Save....I have just proved that as always, it is the BELIEVING that Saves.....baptism is something for the ALREADY SAVED to do...if one has Turned ( another definition of “ repentance) from Unbelief in Jesus to an actual Belief in Jesus he has done all the “ repenting” that he ever needs to do to get Saved.....Get baptized to celebrate that fact ! It should be a joyous occasion for anybody that is already Saved......
“ BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ and be Saved”...... nothing about baptism there....nothing about “ repenting FROM SINS “ in there......change your mind about who Jesus is and why you need a Him....THAT is ‘ what is in there” ....THAT is the True, Biblical Repentance That Saves.....Baptism is kinda like “ icing on the cake”.....May God bless us all in the understanding of these things,,,,
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If Jehovah's Witnesses believed the Bible said differently from what the
Watchtower Society teaches, they would sever their association with the
Watchtower Society.
If Seventh Day Adventists believed the Bible said differently from what Ellen
G. white teaches, they would sever their ties with Ellen G. White.
The thing is: most folks saying they believe the Bible are actually believing
their hierarchy's understanding of the Bible-- an understanding that may be
tainted with errors without the rank and file knowing it.
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If Jehovah's Witnesses believed the Bible said differently from what the
Watchtower Society teaches, they would sever their association with the
Watchtower Society.
If Seventh Day Adventists believed the Bible said differently from what Ellen
G. white teaches, they would sever their ties with Ellen G. White.
The thing is: most folks saying they believe the Bible are actually believing
their hierarchy's understanding of the Bible-- an understanding that may be
tainted with errors without the rank and file knowing it.
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quietthinker
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Isn't it amazing how we can work out where others have their failings but are oblivious to our own?
@Webers_Home people aren't clones. You don't expect them to be clones in your pews and acknowledge that people do think differently about some theological points. You don't say "you are severed from association!" for that fact. It's hypocritical for you to hold a different judgment bar for other pews (like JW or SDA). It's extra ridiculous for you to do so based not on what SDA/JW believe themselves but what you think they believed based on what a Baptist told you (example Walter Martin). This same judgment of "understanding tainted with errors without the rank and file knowing it" is being brought down on yourself.
Let us treat people with respect (including SDA & JW & everyone else), listen to every person as an individual. Just like Christ reaches out to every sheep individually.
Sda should be shaking in their boots regarding that Investigative Judgement per EW, as they will have NO mediator , no Jesus to support them in that time, and God will have to see that their lives met the Law as well as Jesus did to pass!
Not shaking at all, Bro.
2 Tim 1:12 'For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."
2 Tim 1:12 'For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."
GRACE ambassador
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No sense in stopping now:
IF LDS Mormons believed The KJV Of The BIBLE is Different than what
their religion teaches, they would IMMEDIATELY RUN, in a heartbeat!
IF Romanists believed The KJV Of The BIBLE is Different than what their
religion teaches, they would IMMEDIATELY RUN, in a heartbeat! I DID!
IF Protestants believed The KJV Of The BIBLE is Different than what their
denominational traditions teach, they would IMMEDIATELY RUN, in a heartbeat!
I (from "baptist") DID!
IF Any religionist believed The KJV Of The BIBLE is Different than what their
religion teaches, they would IMMEDIATELY RUN, in a heartbeat!
Praise God For All who have RUN from the above, and run TO The LORD
JESUS CHRIST, Now "running HIS Great GRACE race!" Amen?
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And if a SDA/LDS/Catholic/Protestant/anyone earnestly studied the Bible themselves and find that what the Bible teaches in in sync with a certain denomination?
I personally respect that choice. Rather than waving finger's and going "you're wrong!", I want to take the time to understand what it is that person believes and how they find it fit's in God's Truth. God Himself will do any witnessing of His Truth. I just love my fellow man.
GRACE ambassador
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Could get Very Confusing, as per this water baptism example:
which Traditional denomination is Correct?:
1) believe AND be baptized {i.e. immersion to contact their Christ's blood}?
2) immersion with a symbolic interpretation?
3) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus?
4) immersion THRICE in the "name of the Triune Godhead?
5) immersion {whether once or thrice} for "membership" in their traditional assembly?
6) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into religion washing away their original sin?
7) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into some covenant?
8) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into their parent's custody that they promise to raise them right? {into Mass Confusion?}
9) sprinkling water on babies, admitting that their ritual is UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because it is OUR tradition!"?
10) pouring water onto babies or adults for Whatever traditional reason religion "can come up with"?
11) immersion of young and middle-aged women 'similar' to worldly/ungodly 'wet t-shirt' contests?
12) immersion Discriminates Against ALL "those who CANNOT 'obey' this ritual" ie: the hospitalized, the bedridden, the homebound, the invalids, the traumatized, etc.
God is Certainly 'NOT the author' (1 Corinthians 14:33) of all this "carnal
DIVISION" which is similar to what Paul addresses in (1 Corinthians 1:9-17), Correct?
Borrowed from God's Foolishness Of ONE Baptism!...
https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/gods-very-simple-will-under-his-pure-grace.39214/
GRACE And Peace... And, yes, Agree, love All of our fellow man and woman!!
This one of many many examples where folks understand the Bible differently.
My point was that of how we treat others whom disagree with our views, not arguing the points themselves
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There's really no cause for alarm in the Adventist religion because Ellen G.
White didn't believe in perpetual, unending, permanent torture. She
apparently believed in fiery retribution; but not the way normal Christians
believe in it.
However, Investigative Judgment has been a source of discouragement for
some of the folks I've seen on YouTube because it is so strict. For example,
in the Adventist religion, only sins that have been confessed receive
forgiveness; which means that if an Adventist neglects to confess a sin, or
forgets to confess a sin; all those kinds of sins will be held against them
when their files are examined (a.k.a. investigated)
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There's really no cause for alarm in the Adventist religion because Ellen G.
White didn't believe in perpetual, unending, permanent torture. She
apparently believed in fiery retribution; but not the way normal Christians
believe in it.
However, Investigative Judgment has been a source of discouragement for
some of the folks I've seen on YouTube because it is so strict. For example,
in the Adventist religion, only sins that have been confessed receive
forgiveness; which means that if an Adventist neglects to confess a sin, or
forgets to confess a sin; all those kinds of sins will be held against them
when their files are examined (a.k.a. investigated)
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I cant remember every sin I have committed, but I just asked the Lord to forgive me for all of them when I was saved, as I am sure all Christians do.If I sin now, I do the same. I think you are pretty off base with your stuff.
Also note: a Christian (of any denomination) follows Christ out of love (or at least should be). Not out of fear. If you (or anyone else) require God to threaten you in order for you to do something, then that's not a healthy relationship.
Desire Of All Nations
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"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." - Mar. 1:15
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" - Luk. 13:3, 5
Jesus didn't shy away from telling people they were wrong if their beliefs and practices weren't aligned with the scriptures. He repeatedly told the religious leaders they were wrong, He told the Samaritan woman in Jhn 4 that her and her people have been spent centuries being wrong, and He outright told her that she was committing adultery by living with a man who was not her husband.
He didn't come to them saying something like "I want to see how your beliefs how fits with what the Father revealed to Me" just so He wouldn't have to look like the bad guy in front of people. Jesus called false religions for what they were and didn't concern Himself with their adherents being offended by what He was directed to say.
Taking a stand for the truth and loving other people means having to tell them that their beliefs, customs, or lifestyles are wrong so they can be freed from false religion or false values.
Brakelite
Well-Known Member
There is no reason for anyone to fear. KJV Daniel 7:22
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Brakelite
Well-Known Member
Jesus's death on Calvary covered every possible avenue for condemnation and accusation. From sins of ignorance to peace offerings to full atonement. Perfect love casts out fear.
As for the investigative judgement. Books and long intensive Bible studies have been written to help people understand this topic. Not all adventists do. And I don't know any who could, in a few short succinct posts that would capture the readers attention beyond his normal capacity sufficiently to give a clear picture of this very real biblical truth. Even your own personal prophetic hermeneutic will cripple your ability to appreciate and understand it even at a base level. And the debate would start from the very first verse one would offer...
KJV Daniel 8:14
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Who said anything about hiding Christ's Truth? Not I!"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." - Mar. 1:15
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" - Luk. 13:3, 5
Jesus didn't shy away from telling people they were wrong if their beliefs and practices weren't aligned with the scriptures. He repeatedly told the religious leaders they were wrong, He told the Samaritan woman in Jhn 4 that her and her people have been spent centuries being wrong, and He outright told her that she was committing adultery by living with a man who was not her husband.
He didn't come to them saying something like "I want to see how your beliefs how fits with what the Father revealed to Me" just so He wouldn't have to look like the bad guy in front of people. Jesus called false religions for what they were and didn't concern Himself with their adherents being offended by what He was directed to say.
Taking a stand for the truth and loving other people means having to tell them that their beliefs, customs, or lifestyles are wrong so they can be freed from false religion or false values.
Standing for Christ & loving/understanding your neighbor are not opposite, but two complimentary Great Commandments.
If an evangelization technique is based on person A standing on a soap box screaming why group B is horrible and evil, then frankly I find person A failing at both Great Commandments. They do not love their fellow man-- they haven't even bothered to converse WITH them and see more than a blind stereotype. And they have not borne witness of Christ, that also requires to talk WITH people. Not at them. Christ ate with sinners. Told parable of people in "wicked denominations" being the one to act in a Good fashion towards other (the Good Samaritan) etc. He is the Good Shepard whom leaves the 99 to reach the 1. Surely we should too.
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