Secure Eternal Salvation 2

[Lifelong_sinner]

Hello,

OSAS is about salvation, nothing else. Why are you trying to apply it to things like prosperity and healing???

When you say the OSAS doctrine only applies to salvation do you realise you are excluding all the other provisions from his death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

Do you understand how the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus works?

The OSAS doctrine can’t exist without the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

Salvation can’t exist without the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

All provisions can’t exist without the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

He died for all of them at the same time so he could provide for all the needs of the believers in the body of Christ not just some needs all our needs.

When we ignore the OSAS doctrine just for a minute, now all the provisions are equal established by the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus and they all get the same result.

When we apply the OSAS doctrine to the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus only salvation becomes divine while the other provisions remain the same.

How is that possible since they are all established by the one death resurrection and atonement of Jesus?

If you say the OSAS doctrine is only relevant to salvation then you have just denied and contradicted the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus and the provisions that they establish.

Hmmm.

Peace.

Jesus’ death was only about our salvation. Nowhere does it grant you anything such as healing or prosperity. If you think it does, provide scripture that says it does. You talk like one of them charismatic types.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

you have no idea what OSAS means. Your definition shows that.

You do have to love it when people try to tell the world what others believe. Yet in their words prove they have no comprehension of what they believe.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Greetings,

Something to consider above debating scriptures and their context, do people realise when you test the validity of the OSAS premise and apply it to healing deliverance and prosperity that the OSAS believer still gets sick, still falls back into bondage, and still struggles with lack in their lives?

This should not be possible because these 3 other provisions just like salvation, equally come under the same death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

Now you may ask yourself, why would a person even apply the OSAS premise to these other provisions?

The obvious reason is we are talking about our immortal soul and where it will spend eternity, so it is only natural to want to test the validity of the OSAS premise for reassurance.

Since the OSAS premise claims that salvation is eternal, secure, and your sins are forgiven past present and future then you would get exactly the same results when you apply the OSAS premise to healing deliverance and prosperity because they all equally come under the same death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

So, if you applied the OSAS premise of salvation to healing deliverance and prosperity, then the OSAS believer should also be once healed always healed, once delivered always delivered and once prospered always prospered, because salvation is not a separate provision there all equally covered under the same death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

But instead, when the OSAS premise is applied to these 3 other provisions it contradicts the OSAS premise, its supporting scriptures and questions the validity of the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

This becomes proof that the OSAS premise is misleading and giving OSAS believers a false sense of guaranteed security that their salvation is secure. When there is evidence that it is not and that OSAS believers have been taught misinterpreted scriptures with compelling explanations.

Now if you think that's not possible, there is not one supporting scripture or one preacher or teacher whose revelational explanations prevented the contradiction of these results like the OSAS premise claims when the OSAS premise was applied to these 3 other provisions, not one scripture or explanation made a difference.

The conclusion is this is infallible proof that the OSAS claims of salvation and sin are misleading and can prevent a person from entering the kingdom of God.

The transformation process has nothing to do with earning or working for your salvation, you are learning growing and evolving in your personal relationship with Jesus after the transition of being born again.

Sinner - salvation - born again - fellowship - baptised in water when your ready - baptised in the Spirit when your ready - discipleship - renew your mind - transform, - walk in the Spirit - develop the fruit of the Spirit in your life - love God and your neighbour as your self - confess your sins when you make mistakes - evangelize - and minister to the needs of other people.

Why does this, not once saved always saved process sound so unreasonable and excessive when it has just been proven that the OSAS premise fails its application test with all its supporting scriptures and explanations when it is applied to these other 3 provisions that were equally given by grace like salvation under the same death resurrection and atonement of Jesus?

Peace.

Its not the same

God promised to heal us from our spiritual sickness, Which he did, Its called justification.

He never promised physical healing. Except to promote his plan.

Why do you wish so much to reject eternal life. And promote conditional life. As if you could save yourself. Jesus said only those who become poor in spirit will inherit the kingdom. Not those who work their whole life at being righteous people.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hello

The OSAS premise is clear - eternal salvation, eternal security - sins forgiven past present and future.

The death resurrection and atonement of Jesus is clear they restore and reconcile mankind back to God and fulfill his promises and provisions back to the body of Christ.

Testing the application of the OSAS premise to other provisions under the one death resurrection and atonement of Jesus would prove that the OSAS premise is valid.

There’s nothing difficult or wacky about that.

However, when the OSAS premise is applied to these 3 other provisions and it doesn’t get the same result.

This contradicts the OSAS premise. its supporting scriptures explanations and the validity of the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

This then becomes evident that the OSAS premise is not eternal, secure, and questions the validity that a person’s sins are forgiven past present and future.

Simply do you have an explanation as to why the OSAS premise would fail its application test when it’s applied to these other provisions if it is accurate, valid and supported by irrefutable scriptures?

Please remove my name from the competition as I have no interest in competing or amusing you.

Peace.

Jesus came to give life. To make those who were dead in tresspasses and sin alive in him, to adopt them into his family.

OSAS is about our eternal destiny. Not about our health here on earth. If you Try like so many, to make osas something it is not. You will not see what it truly is.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Greetings,

Thank you for your response.

First off, why would you apply OSAS to something other than salvation??

All provisions have already been provided for by grace and established by the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus they are all equal.

The reason is because under the OSAS premise you wouldn’t be able to just have just divine salvation you would have to have divine healing deliverance and prosperity because they all equally come under the same death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

The price that Jesus paid for salvation was exactly the same price he paid for healing deliverance and provision they are all equal.

Don’t you realize it’s the OSAS premise that separates salvation from all the other provisions all I have done is asked you to consider applying the OSAS premise to the other provisions as evidence that when it’s applied it contradicts the OSAS premise, its supporting scriptures and the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

You shouldn’t have to apply the OSAS premise to the other provisions if the OSAS premise was valid it would automatically include these other provisions because it wouldn’t have a choice, they all are given by grace and are equally covered by the same death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

Don’t you see the OSAS premise can be debated with scriptures for eternity but it only becomes exposed when it fails the application test.

If your 100 percent right you have nothing to worry about, but if your wrong you may spend eternity being punished.

This is not an attack on your Christian beliefs, this is an example of discernment to help believers reconsider their OSAS position so they don’t get deceived by the enemy and miss out on heaven.

Second, are you saying that only saved folk are healed of sickness and will always have prosperity.

I am saying that the OSAS premise claims that salvation is eternal secure and sins are forgiven past present and future, when I use this OSAS claim and apply it to healing deliverance and provision the OSAS believer should also be healed delivered and prospered past present and future.

Believers wouldn’t get a choice in the matter because the OSAS premise has already dictated the outcome for the past present and future results and all provisions have already been equally established under the one death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

You can’t separate one provision and have one rule and one standard for this provision, and then have different rules and different standards for the other provisions they were all equally included in the same death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

Third, OSAS is Biblical. It is truth

So, the OSAS premise is biblical truth and is supported by scriptures explanations and established by the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

But the same biblical truth contradicts itself and is refuted if its applied or not applied because the other provisions don’t become divine provisions under the same death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

Which you can’t explain, regardless of the evidence findings or results.

But that’s irrelevant, because you said it’s still true hmmm.

Peace

Again, your Premise is wrong. If we had Devine healing. No one would ever die. The disciples would still walk the earth. We would be speaking to those who spoke with Christ while he lived

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Greetings,

Sinner - salvation - born again - fellowship - baptised in water when your ready - baptised in the Spirit when your ready - discipleship - renew your mind - transform, - walk in the Spirit - develop the fruit of the Spirit in your life - love God and your neighbour as your self - confess your sins when you make mistakes - evangelize - and minister to the needs of other people.

You have some things out of place. And are missing some

Sinner (in adam) repent, baptized with the spirit. Anointed by the spirit (born again) baptized in water, fellowship….

We need to start here

 

[Eternally Grateful]

OSAS is about salvation, nothing else. Why are you trying to apply it to things like prosperity and healing???

Its just another way people can look at the word of God and ignore its truth..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Obviously you wouldn't know, since being obedient or disobedient is of no matter to your unconditional 'salvation'.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

How good is good enough?

According to the law. Perfection was required.

Is the NT requirment lower than the OT requirment as found in the law?

If so why?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God doesn't see our sins because of the blood!!

Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.

OSAS is salvation of a false and blind god: the god of this world.

You forgot the part in the law on the day of atonement.

The blood was splattered on the ark. So God could not see the charges against the people.

While yes, He sees our personal sins.

What he does not see, Is what condemned us..

Thats called redemption.

 

[Aries]

Jesus’ death was only about our salvation. Nowhere does it grant you anything such as healing or prosperity. If you think it does, provide scripture that says it does. You talk like one of them charismatic types.

That charismatic comment was funny lol, i am not sure what denomination you follow but please check with your priest or pastor and ask them if Jesus only died for salvation because you’ve just denied the entire bible hehehe.

I’m going to sleep its 9am in the morning here and I need some rest it was fun chatting with you to be continued………

Peace.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

That charismatic comment was funny lol, i am not sure what denomination you follow but please check with your priest or pastor and ask them if Jesus only died for salvation because you’ve just denied the entire bible hehehe.

I’m going to sleep its 9am in the morning here and I need some rest it was fun chatting with you to be continued………

Peace.

by all means, make sure to provide scripture that says Jesus died so you can buy super yachts and be a member of golf clubs.

in the WCF, it simply states;
“To all those for whom Christ hath purchased redemption, he doth certainly and effectually apply and communicate the same; making intercession for them, and revealing unto them, in and by the Word, the mysteries of salvation; effectually persuading them by his Spirit to believe and obey, and governing their hearts by his Word and Spirit; overcoming all their enemies by his almighty power and wisdom, in such manner, and ways, as are most consonant to his wonderful and unsearchable dispensation.”

nothing about healing nor riches. You are adding things that arent supposed to be. Jesus’ death was about redemption.

heres another fun fact, Jesus’ death is only for the Elect.

 

[Taken]

Hello,

OSAS is about salvation, nothing else. Why are you trying to apply it to things like prosperity and healing???

When you say the OSAS doctrine only applies to salvation do you realise you are excluding all the other provisions from the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

Do you understand how the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus works?

The OSAS doctrine can’t exist without the death resurrection and atonement of Jesus.

OSAS applies to ANY man who has RECEIVE-ED Gods gift of Salvation, Offered BY God Himself.

You seem to be confounded BY “WHEN” Gods gift of Salvation, WAS, IS, CAN BE Received.

Under the OLD Covenant, Salvation WAS RECEIV-ED...AT THE “PHYSICAL” bodily Death, of a Believing Individual.

Under the NEW Covenant, Salvation “CAN” BE RECEIVED-ED...”BEFORE PHYSICAL DEATH”......BY a heartfully BELIEVING Individual, WHO Confesses his TRUE HEARTFUL BELIEF, IN God and IN Jesus being the Christ Messiah.

SUCH an individuals, ^^, “CONFESSION” EXPRESSLY INCLUDES “The Lords Forgiveness”.....AND EXPRESSLY INCLUDES “the individual” Laying down his Bodily LIFE IN DEATH, “SPIRITUALLY” Crucified WITH JESUS.”

^ THEIR SALVATION “IS” Received, BEFORE Physical Bodily Death.

^ THAT “IS” the Primary basis FOR the NEW COVENANT, given men...
Called a “BETTER TESTAMENT”...BY, THROUGH, OF, Christ Jesus.

OLD Covenant revealed in the OT.
NEW Covenant Prophecy given in OT SHALL be given;
Jer 1:
[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

REMINDER of a NEW Covenant WILL be made;
Heb.8
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

NEW Covenant revealed;
[13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

WHO is the MEDIATOR of the NEW Covenant, expressly JESUS.
Heb.12
[24] And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The Testament of the appointed MEDIATOR of the NEW COVENANT, IS so much BETTER than the OLD COVENANT.
Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

WHY IS the Testament of the appointed MEDIATOR of the NEW COVENANT, so much BETTER than the OLD COVENANT?

Scripture itself TELLS YOU...
Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

** WHAT IS THIS SURETY that Jesus (the Mediator) MADE, that WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE “OLD COVENANT”?

.....POWER....of God....superseding the power of men.

* Under the OLD Covenant, individual men who BELIEVED, had to “maintain” their belief, until their physical death.... “BY THEIR OWN human will-power”.

* Under the NEW Covenant, individual men who BELIEVE, AND Accept the Lords Offering........”THEY ARE KEPT IN BELIEF”....EXPRESSLY BY GODS POWER, that ENTERS THEM, via Baptism OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (is WHICH Gods HOLY SPIRIT ... WHICH IS HIS POWER!)

* Men acting under their OWN power, can believe, can deny, can wonder, can believe, can doubt, can deny, can believe....GET IT?
* Never heard men WAVERING from day to day?
* We have Scriptural Examples, specifically...Jesus’ own chosen disciples, wavering via their own power and BEFORE receiving the Power of the Holy Spirit IN them.
* We can hear men in our own day...wavering from day to day...claiming belief according to Gods Word, claiming to deny, claiming to doubt, claiming to believe things that Jesus DID NOT teach, but attributing those teachings, TO Gods Word.

Jesus IS the Mediator of the NEW Covenant.
It is Jesus WHO reveals the Better Testament VIA the Words out of His Mouth.
It is Jesus WHO offers men the EXPRESS option to SURELY RECEIVE Salvation
BEFORE their Physical bodily Death.

IF any BELIEVING man, elects to NOT accept Jesus’ OFFERING, that is that mans Individual Choice, and that man IS REPEATEDLY WARNED, CAUTIONED, of EVIL and WICKEDNESS ... IN THIS WORLD....and “such an individual, relying on his OWN POWER... IS:
A PRIME TARGET of EVIL spirits and WICKED men...to SWAY that individual AWAY from BELIEF IN the Lord God...IS:
Warned, they are relying on their own power, (called ENDURING, to their end, via their own power.)

THUS....Also that which IS REPEATEDLY WARNED in Scripture IS: get to getting, MAKE your decision TO ALLOW the OFFERING VIA, JESUS: OF GODS POWER to KEEP YOU IN BELIEF....is THE POWER, THAT WHICH no evil spirit and no mans persuasion ... CAN UNDO.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

by all means, make sure to provide scripture that says Jesus died so you can buy super yachts and be a member of golf clubs.

in the WCF, it simply states;
“To all those for whom Christ hath purchased redemption, he doth certainly and effectually apply and communicate the same; making intercession for them, and revealing unto them, in and by the Word, the mysteries of salvation; effectually persuading them by his Spirit to believe and obey, and governing their hearts by his Word and Spirit; overcoming all their enemies by his almighty power and wisdom, in such manner, and ways, as are most consonant to his wonderful and unsearchable dispensation.”

nothing about healing nor riches. You are adding things that arent supposed to be. Jesus’ death was about redemption.

heres another fun fact, Jesus’ death is only for the Elect.

Correct.
The RICHNESS of Jesus’ Offering through Baptism of the Holy Spirit ...
IS the PROMISE of Forever;
OF an individual ETERNALLY BECOMING PERFECTED,
OF an individual ETERNALLY OCCUPYING A PERFECTED HABITAT,
OF an individual ETERNALLY WITH God,
OF an individual ETERNALLY VOID of ANY PRESENCE of CORRUPTION.

Certainly men can be “MONETARILY” or “PROPERTY” enriched While their occupancy is in a “CORRUPT” world....
* Which CAN APPLY to EITHER, the SAVED and the UNSAVED.

Certainly men can be “MONETARILY” or “PROPERTY” poor While their occupancy in in a “CORRUPT” world...
* Which ALSO CAN APPLY to EITHER, the SAVED and the UNSAVED.

AGREE...Monetarily riches, Property riches, Monetarily voidness, Property voiceless........
IS NOT THE MEASURE or INDICATOR BY WHICH an individual IS:
SAVED or NOT SAVED.



Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Aries]

by all means, make sure to provide scripture that says Jesus died so you can buy super yachts and be a member of golf clubs.

in the WCF, it simply states;
“To all those for whom Christ hath purchased redemption, he doth certainly and effectually apply and communicate the same; making intercession for them, and revealing unto them, in and by the Word, the mysteries of salvation; effectually persuading them by his Spirit to believe and obey, and governing their hearts by his Word and Spirit; overcoming all their enemies by his almighty power and wisdom, in such manner, and ways, as are most consonant to his wonderful and unsearchable dispensation.”

nothing about healing nor riches. You are adding things that arent supposed to be. Jesus’ death was about redemption.

heres another fun fact, Jesus’ death is only for the Elect.

Greetings,

I am a born again does that label me as a charismatic and as for the prosperity gospel.

I’m sure we can both agree that the bible teaches biblical prosperity.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Mathew 6.33

I must admit i do enjoy these conversations.

I have a few errands to run

To be continued……….

Peace.

 

[farouk]

Its not the same

God promised to heal us from our spiritual sickness, Which he did, Its called justification.

He never promised physical healing. Except to promote his plan.

Why do you wish so much to reject eternal life. And promote conditional life. As if you could save yourself. Jesus said only those who become poor in spirit will inherit the kingdom. Not those who work their whole life at being righteous people.

I think of Robert Murray M'Cheyne's words:

"When I stand before the Throne,
Dressed in beauty not my own..."

I like your warning about trying to 'work their whole life at being righteous people'....

 

[Aries]

OSAS applies to ANY man who has RECEIVE-ED Gods gift of Salvation, Offered BY God Himself.

You seem to be confounded BY “WHEN” Gods gift of Salvation, WAS, IS, CAN BE Received.

Under the OLD Covenant, Salvation WAS RECEIV-ED...AT THE “PHYSICAL” bodily Death, of a Believing Individual.

Under the NEW Covenant, Salvation “CAN” BE RECEIVED-ED...”BEFORE PHYSICAL DEATH”......BY a heartfully BELIEVING Individual, WHO Confesses his TRUE HEARTFUL BELIEF, IN God and IN Jesus being the Christ Messiah.

SUCH an individuals, ^^, “CONFESSION” EXPRESSLY INCLUDES “The Lords Forgiveness”.....AND EXPRESSLY INCLUDES “the individual” Laying down his Bodily LIFE IN DEATH, “SPIRITUALLY” Crucified WITH JESUS.”

^ THEIR SALVATION “IS” Received, BEFORE Physical Bodily Death.

^ THAT “IS” the Primary basis FOR the NEW COVENANT, given men...
Called a “BETTER TESTAMENT”...BY, THROUGH, OF, Christ Jesus.

OLD Covenant revealed in the OT.
NEW Covenant Prophecy given in OT SHALL be given;
Jer 1:
[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

REMINDER of a NEW Covenant WILL be made;
Heb.8
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

NEW Covenant revealed;
[13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

WHO is the MEDIATOR of the NEW Covenant, expressly JESUS.
Heb.12
[24] And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The Testament of the appointed MEDIATOR of the NEW COVENANT, IS so much BETTER than the OLD COVENANT.
Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

WHY IS the Testament of the appointed MEDIATOR of the NEW COVENANT, so much BETTER than the OLD COVENANT?

Scripture itself TELLS YOU...
Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

** WHAT IS THIS SURETY that Jesus (the Mediator) MADE, that WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE “OLD COVENANT”?

.....POWER....of God....superseding the power of men.

* Under the OLD Covenant, individual men who BELIEVED, had to “maintain” their belief, until their physical death.... “BY THEIR OWN human will-power”.

* Under the NEW Covenant, individual men who BELIEVE, AND Accept the Lords Offering........”THEY ARE KEPT IN BELIEF”....EXPRESSLY BY GODS POWER, that ENTERS THEM, via Baptism OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (is WHICH Gods HOLY SPIRIT ... WHICH IS HIS POWER!)

* Men acting under their OWN power, can believe, can deny, can wonder, can believe, can doubt, can deny, can believe....GET IT?
* Never heard men WAVERING from day to day?
* We have Scriptural Examples, specifically...Jesus’ own chosen disciples, wavering via their own power and BEFORE receiving the Power of the Holy Spirit IN them.
* We can hear men in our own day...wavering from day to day...claiming belief according to Gods Word, claiming to deny, claiming to doubt, claiming to believe things that Jesus DID NOT teach, but attributing those teachings, TO Gods Word.

Jesus IS the Mediator of the NEW Covenant.
It is Jesus WHO reveals the Better Testament VIA the Words out of His Mouth.
It is Jesus WHO offers men the EXPRESS option to SURELY RECEIVE Salvation
BEFORE their Physical bodily Death.

IF any BELIEVING man, elects to NOT accept Jesus’ OFFERING, that is that mans Individual Choice, and that man IS REPEATEDLY WARNED, CAUTIONED, of EVIL and WICKEDNESS ... IN THIS WORLD....and “such an individual, relying on his OWN POWER... IS:
A PRIME TARGET of EVIL spirits and WICKED men...to SWAY that individual AWAY from BELIEF IN the Lord God...IS:
Warned, they are relying on their own power, (called ENDURING, to their end, via their own power.)

THUS....Also that which IS REPEATEDLY WARNED in Scripture IS: get to getting, MAKE your decision TO ALLOW the OFFERING VIA, JESUS: OF GODS POWER to KEEP YOU IN BELIEF....is THE POWER, THAT WHICH no evil spirit and no mans persuasion ... CAN UNDO.

Glory to God,
Taken

Hmmm and yet everything you said doesn’t change the results, when the OSAS premise is applied to healing deliverance and prosperity.

These 3 other provisions don’t become divine as set out by the tone of the OSAS premise for salvation and now some ones even claiming that Jesus only died for salvation but not healing deliverance or provision

So that means if Jesus’ death resurrection and atonement didn’t include healing deliverance and provision.

There can be no healing deliverance or provision.

But Jesus healed the sick, cast out devils, and taught the people to rely on God to meet all these needs.

Hmmm.

Peace.

 

[Aries]

You forgot the part in the law on the day of atonement.

The blood was splattered on the ark. So God could not see the charges against the people.

While yes, He sees our personal sins.

What he does not see, Is what condemned us..

Thats called redemption.

Greetings,

Sorry i will resond to your posts im just running errands and busy at the moment.

but I do enjoy all these conversations.

Peace.

 

[Taken]

Hmmm and yet everything you said doesn’t change the results, when the OSAS premise is applied to healing deliverance and prosperity.

I am familiar with people giving God the Credit for their monetary gain.
I am familiar with people giving God the Credit for Healthwise physical Healings.

I am not familiar with people preaching receiving Salvation is a guarantee of monetary gain or physical health healing.

OSAS is specific to receiving and retaining Salvation....
not receiving money or physical health healing.

 

[Aries]

I am familiar with people giving God the Credit for their monetary gain.
I am familiar with people giving God the Credit for Healthwise physical Healings.

I am not familiar with people preaching receiving Salvation is a guarantee of monetary gain or physical health healing.

OSAS is specific to receiving and retaining Salvation....
not receiving money or physical health healing.

Prosperity means increase; we rely of Jesus to meet our needs are you also familiar with the term provision?

 

[Taken]

Prosperity means increase; we rely of Jesus to meet our needs are you also familiar with the term provision?

I am familiar with the difference between needs and wants.